Donny osmond wrote:Aaaaaaand still feeding the chimp. Seriously, didnt someone once say something about insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results? Wtf do you think the chimp is going to do except throw shit?
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Some of us might like the warm spray of scat as we return serve.
Donny osmond wrote:Aaaaaaand still feeding the chimp. Seriously, didnt someone once say something about insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results? Wtf do you think the chimp is going to do except throw shit?
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No one is that bored
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It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
Donny osmond wrote:Aaaaaaand still feeding the chimp. Seriously, didnt someone once say something about insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results? Wtf do you think the chimp is going to do except throw shit?
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No one is that bored
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You should try ploughing your way through 58 pages of use cases written by a French software engineer with a grasp of the English language that falls someway short of where he believes it to be.
If I read "control" instead of "check" once more this week, I'll be putting some novichok in someone's baguette. Utterly deniably, of course.
You are all insane. Why aren't we following international law on this? Doesn't it feel like our gov has something to hide? Even after Iraq, are you all still so gullible?
Zhivago wrote:You are all insane. Why aren't we following international law on this? Doesn't it feel like our gov has something to hide? Even after Iraq, are you all still so gullible?
In what way is the UK not following International Law? Apart, of course, from carrying out fals flag attacks with stolen Russian nerve agents, although that should be obvious.
Zhivago wrote:You are all insane. Why aren't we following international law on this? Doesn't it feel like our gov has something to hide? Even after Iraq, are you all still so gullible?
What do you think is being hidden?
15 years after the Iraq invasion, is it logical to assume that the government is continually lying based on that one event, or is it more logical, and perhaps more mature, to look at each event on a case by case basis?
Actually, the May government is being very restrained. The use of WMDs by a foreign government is an act of war. NATO article 5 could cover this if the government wanted to get carried away.
The guy was a spy, then he became a double agent, then he was convicted of fraud ....and then the English gave him political asylum...?. That does seem like a legitimate target in espionage terms.
I feel for the Daughter and the Copper.....but this is a security forces balls-up in any language.
Zhivago wrote:You are all insane. Why aren't we following international law on this? Doesn't it feel like our gov has something to hide? Even after Iraq, are you all still so gullible?
These guys have given me an insight into the mentality which must have been prevalent during the imperial age. They undoubtedly would have gone for the WMDs story. Anyway, here's more from former British Ambassador Craig Murray:
As recently as 2016 Dr Robin Black, Head of the Detection Laboratory at the UK’s only chemical weapons facility at Porton Down, a former colleague of Dr David Kelly, published in an extremely prestigious scientific journal that the evidence for the existence of Novichoks was scant and their composition unknown.
In recent years, there has been much speculation that a fourth generation of nerve agents, ‘Novichoks’ (newcomer), was developed in Russia, beginning in the 1970s as part of the ‘Foliant’ programme, with the aim of finding agents that would compromise defensive countermeasures. Information on these compounds has been sparse in the public domain, mostly originating from a dissident Russian military chemist, Vil Mirzayanov. No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published. (Black, 2016)
Robin Black. (2016) Development, Historical Use and Properties of Chemical Warfare Agents. Royal Society of Chemistry
Yet now, the British Government is claiming to be able instantly to identify a substance which its only biological weapons research centre has never seen before and was unsure of its existence. Worse, it claims to be able not only to identify it, but to pinpoint its origin. Given Dr Black’s publication, it is plain that claim cannot be true.
I'm not entirely sure why all the security chiefs were using the debate to ask for more money. It's three people that are ill,......why are all these celeb' MP's suddenly playing at brinkmanship...?. I saw a labour MP saying it was the new Cold War. That guy needs to be sacked instantly.
It does look like all the MP's are a bit bored and have nothing better to do, so starting a new war is fun for these morons. They all have a Churchill fantasy in the back of their tiny brains.
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Yeah. I think on the subject of political assassinations, Dr.Kelly is a fair analogue.
We do it, they do it. Tuesday morning in the White House is when they discuss who will die this week.
Zhivago wrote:You are all insane. Why aren't we following international law on this? Doesn't it feel like our gov has something to hide? Even after Iraq, are you all still so gullible?
What do you think is being hidden?
15 years after the Iraq invasion, is it logical to assume that the government is continually lying based on that one event, or is it more logical, and perhaps more mature, to look at each event on a case by case basis?
So, why do you think this is suspect?
Ok, let's look at this case. What facts do we have?
The day America and Britain stop demonizing Russia is the day they will have to face up to the fact it is their own nations causing most of the destruction around the world - and that has been the case for a long, long time.
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
kk67 wrote:The guy was a spy, then he became a double agent, then he was convicted of fraud ....and then the English gave him political asylum...?. That does seem like a legitimate target in espionage terms.
I feel for the Daughter and the Copper.....but this is a security forces balls-up in any language.
"According to Russian prosecutors, he began working for the United Kingdom's Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) in 1995 and passed on state secrets, such as the identities of Russian intelligence agents. ... He was alleged to have blown the cover of 300 Russian agents."
That's a lot of enemies...
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Sandydragon wrote:Actually, the May government is being very restrained. The use of WMDs by a foreign government is an act of war. NATO article 5 could cover this if the government wanted to get carried away.
But this is the only thing, you wouldn't catch the Russians sending their subs into our waters, their planes into our airspace and whatnot
Sandydragon wrote:Actually, the May government is being very restrained. The use of WMDs by a foreign government is an act of war. NATO article 5 could cover this if the government wanted to get carried away.
But this is the only thing, you wouldn't catch the Russians sending their subs into our waters, their planes into our airspace and whatnot
While NATO has Russia completely surrounded by military bases, and has moved right into Eastern Europe, in violation of post-Cold War agreements, enlisting the support of roof-top snipers and Neo Nazis to slaughter civilians in the Ukraine.
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
Zhivago wrote:You are all insane. Why aren't we following international law on this? Doesn't it feel like our gov has something to hide? Even after Iraq, are you all still so gullible?
What do you think is being hidden?
15 years after the Iraq invasion, is it logical to assume that the government is continually lying based on that one event, or is it more logical, and perhaps more mature, to look at each event on a case by case basis?
So, why do you think this is suspect?
Ok, let's look at this case. What facts do we have?
A very rare nerve agent that was manufactured in the old USSR which is used for the first time (overseas) in the UK.
An ex Russian agent targeted after Putin has gone in the record to suggest all should be killed who betray their country.
And a bit of previous by Russia.
This substance is t rare to have come from somewhere else. Either it’s a state sponsored attack or it’s been stolen. Hence why th government have asked for an explanation, which Russia seems reluctant to give.
You may wish to do some research on nerve agents, it is possible to trace where they have originated.
kk67 wrote:The guy was a spy, then he became a double agent, then he was convicted of fraud ....and then the English gave him political asylum...?. That does seem like a legitimate target in espionage terms.
I feel for the Daughter and the Copper.....but this is a security forces balls-up in any language.
"According to Russian prosecutors, he began working for the United Kingdom's Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) in 1995 and passed on state secrets, such as the identities of Russian intelligence agents. ... He was alleged to have blown the cover of 300 Russian agents."
That's a lot of enemies...
Starting a family seems like the act of a particularly poor double agent.
Although maybe that's exactly the right thing to do..............
...I say fuck him and the Establishment morons that offered him security.
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Sandydragon wrote:Actually, the May government is being very restrained. The use of WMDs by a foreign government is an act of war. NATO article 5 could cover this if the government wanted to get carried away.
But this is the only thing, you wouldn't catch the Russians sending their subs into our waters, their planes into our airspace and whatnot
While NATO has Russia completely surrounded by military bases, and has moved right into Eastern Europe, in violation of post-Cold War agreements, enlisting the support of roof-top snipers and Neo Nazis to slaughter civilians in the Ukraine.
A post war agreement that those outside Russia suggest was never agreed.
Invasion of Ukraine.
Invasion of Georgia.
Bully tactics to Baltic states and Sweden.
kk67 wrote:The guy was a spy, then he became a double agent, then he was convicted of fraud ....and then the English gave him political asylum...?. That does seem like a legitimate target in espionage terms.
I feel for the Daughter and the Copper.....but this is a security forces balls-up in any language.
"According to Russian prosecutors, he began working for the United Kingdom's Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) in 1995 and passed on state secrets, such as the identities of Russian intelligence agents. ... He was alleged to have blown the cover of 300 Russian agents."
That's a lot of enemies...
Starting a family seems like the act of a particularly poor double agent.
Although maybe that's exactly the right thing to do..............
...I say fuck him.
Great. And those innocent people who are now in hospital?
Digby wrote:
But this is the only thing, you wouldn't catch the Russians sending their subs into our waters, their planes into our airspace and whatnot
While NATO has Russia completely surrounded by military bases, and has moved right into Eastern Europe, in violation of post-Cold War agreements, enlisting the support of roof-top snipers and Neo Nazis to slaughter civilians in the Ukraine.
A post war agreement that those outside Russia suggest was never agreed.
Invasion of Ukraine.
Invasion of Georgia.
Bully tactics to Baltic states and Sweden.
Great neighbour to have.
Yes, it was agreed, but silly Russians for believing anything that came out of a Bush's mouth (Papa Bush in this instance).
Russia did not invade the Ukraine. There was an American-backed coup, removal of a pro-Moscow government and installation of a corrupt pro-Western oligarch, Neo Nazis and others attacked ethnic Russians, burning many alive, leading the ethnic Russian majority in Crimea to vote overwhelmingly in favor of a return to Russia.
The invasion of Georgia was in response to a Georgian invasion of Ossetia, killing hundreds of civilians as they lay sleeping in their beds. Ossetians are not even ethnic Russians, but speakers of a Farsi dialect.
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
Digby wrote:
But this is the only thing, you wouldn't catch the Russians sending their subs into our waters, their planes into our airspace and whatnot
While NATO has Russia completely surrounded by military bases, and has moved right into Eastern Europe, in violation of post-Cold War agreements, enlisting the support of roof-top snipers and Neo Nazis to slaughter civilians in the Ukraine.
A post war agreement that those outside Russia suggest was never agreed.
Invasion of Ukraine.
Invasion of Georgia.
Bully tactics to Baltic states and Sweden.
Great neighbour to have.
I think the Russians have a point that the part of Ukraine they took was a legacy of them not thinking the USSR would split and it's more reasonably Russian than Ukranian, though how they went about sorting that is shocking. Still more shocking is quoting Rowan however, it goes against any common notions of basic decency
Great. And those innocent people who are now in hospital?
I have edited my post. Soz.
3 people who are alive and the House of Commons is declaring a new Cold War....?
And your dickhead political leaders are asking for more dosh. ....Fack off.
3 people who now have life changing injuries as a result. And a numepber of local residents being checked up for exposure. I suspect your attitude should be very different if you lived in Salisbury.
If there is a new Cold War then Russia is the aggressor here, it’s. It the U.K. poisoning Russian citizens, repeatedly.
