Anti-Russian rhetoric

[SerjeantWildgoose]

This review is so good it nearly made me spill my pint.

Kevin Maher in The Times (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the- ... -rmfccbh2s):

"Workmanlike film-making meets familiar Yank-bashing propaganda in John Pilger’s new documentary The Coming War on China. A stirring and genuinely incendiary opening sequence (about the US military’s ruthless exploitation of the indigenous peoples of the Marshall Islands) is soon sidelined by Pilger’s deadening schoolboy polemic, which essentially claims that China is, like, totally amazing and America is, you know, like, really bad."

[SerjeantWildgoose]

This review is so sublime it makes me want to run naked through a field of nettles and dunk my nuts in pig slurry.

Matt Bayliss in The Express (https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-ra ... s-is-us-C4):

"Pilger’s film was remarkable, not so much for pointing out something that might be true but for spending so much time pointing out things that had little to do with it."

[SerjeantWildgoose]

Now I haven't watched Pilger's film, but I think all of the preceding reviews are brilliant, so it must be shyte.

[SerjeantWildgoose]

Come on you useless Kiwis! Even we managed to find one to chuck out.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.3441875

I have to sympathise with our friends in New Zealand. I have spent the best part of the day trying to find evidence to link my feckless 22 year old son with the SVR RF. If I had found any, believe me he would have been expelled.

Having said that, the stench of his room suggests he may well be cooking up the next generation of novichok in there.

[morepork]

Ed Sheeran is down there at the moment (the dull ginger cunt). That takes precedent.

[Digby]

Ed Sheeran is down there at the moment (the dull ginger cunt). That takes precedent.

It's a brave new world squire, one where you're not allowed to disparage others based on the colour of their hair nor parts of the female anatomy.

[morepork]

I should have expected that you old toaster-watching bastard.

[Stones of granite]

Of all the reviews of reviews, this is the one that really made me sit up and take notice

This review is so good it nearly made me spill my pint.

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[Digby]

I should have expected that you old toaster-watching bastard.

If it's a proper fire being used to make the toast I'm actually quite happy watching it. I am though closer to 40 now than 30, so old, fair enough. My folks were married before my birth so that charge doesn't apply either, but my own child you certainly can call a bastard, and frankly she'd deserve it

[cashead]

When rowan inevitably responds to SerjeantWildgoose:

A drink every time he:
1. Does an ad hominem
2. Uses some weaksauce attempt at a sickburn variation of someone's name (Hapless, Stones of Cowardice, etc.)

2 drinks each time he:
1. Appeals to authority
2. Appeals to accomplishment

3 drinks each time he:
1. Comments on where he lives, or has lives/travelled in relation to his alleged authority on the matter
2. Comments on where you live, especially in relation to your apparent ability to comment on the matter
3. Tries, no matter how hamfisted, to bring Britain's colonial past into it

Take a shot each time he:
1. Posts a link to a counterpunch article
2. Posts a link to a RT article/video
3. Quotes himself

Finish your drink if he:
1. Does all of the above in one post.
2. Parrots what you wrote in an attempt to be witty.

[Donny osmond]

When rowan inevitably responds to SerjeantWildgoose:

A drink every time he:
1. Does an ad hominem
2. Uses some weaksauce attempt at a sickburn variation of someone's name (Hapless, Stones of Cowardice, etc.)

2 drinks each time he:
1. Appeals to authority
2. Appeals to accomplishment

3 drinks each time he:
1. Comments on where he lives, or has lives/travelled in relation to his alleged authority on the matter
2. Comments on where you live, especially in relation to your apparent ability to comment on the matter
3. Tries, no matter how hamfisted, to bring Britain's colonial past into it

Take a shot each time he:
1. Posts a link to a counterpunch article
2. Posts a link to a RT article/video

Finish your drink if he:
Does all of the above in one post.

Hope you've got a suitable donor lined up, you'll need a new liver soon

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[cashead]

Hope you've got a suitable donor lined up, you'll need a new liver soon

Check the additions. Now, I'll need one.

When rowan inevitably responds to SerjeantWildgoose:

A drink every time he:
1. Does an ad hominem
2. Uses some weaksauce attempt at a sickburn variation of someone's name (Hapless, Stones of Cowardice, etc.)

2 drinks each time he:
1. Appeals to authority
2. Appeals to accomplishment

3 drinks each time he:
1. Comments on where he lives, or has lives/travelled in relation to his alleged authority on the matter
2. Comments on where you live, especially in relation to your apparent ability to comment on the matter
3. Tries, no matter how hamfisted, to bring Britain's colonial past into it

Take a shot each time he:
1. Posts a link to a counterpunch article
2. Posts a link to a RT article/video
3. Quotes himself

Finish your drink if he:
1. Does all of the above in one post.
2. Parrots what you wrote in an attempt to be witty.

[morepork]

Mainline some Horse if:
Just whatever.

[Donny osmond]

Ooft even 20 years ago I'd be struggling

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[rowan]

If anyone is wondering what set off this feces-flinging chimpanzee frenzy. here's a reminder:

[morepork]

At the risk of sounding redundant, not one person on here has supported either the morally degenerate practice of open air/under sea nuclear testing in the Pacific (the Herbs even wrote a song about it) or the negative impact of the US military industrial complex on contemporary history. You seem persistent in the assumption that these criticisms are solely applicable to the modern west, all the while deflecting from content specific to the discussion at hand. We seem to have morphed from allegations of Russian covert nerve agents to an Australian journalist's crusade against the USA based upon aggression against China. How the fuck are people to focus on a primary hypothesis that is so poorly defined?

[rowan]

Quite simply, one of the world's most respected and experienced political journalists and documentary film-makers has described the allegations against Russia as manufactured anti-Russian rhetoric, the theme of this thread, in case you didn't notice. The reaction to this was not sensible discussion or debate, but the usual, predictable attacks on the legendary journalist himself, the news site which interviewed him, and myself as the messenger. & you wonder why I keep using the term ad hominems. Quite simply ad hominems is all you guys have got. Well, that and the amazing feces-flinging chimpanzee frenzies you descend into every now and again - only to return with the serious idiot approach and pretend to be an honest broker who just wants a mature conversation about the matter at hand.

[morepork]

The matter at hand is not defined by the material you have bombarded the thread with. You can see that, yeah?

[rowan]

The last person to address the matter at hand on this thread was, in fact, me. Since then there have been 22 posts, only two of which were mine, two or three of which were yours (on the subject of Ed Sheeran, if I'm not mistaken ) and the remaining dozen and a half of which had nothing to do with anti-Russian rhetoric at all but were mostly of the feces-flinging chimpanzee frenzy variety.

[belgarion]

If anyone is wondering what set off this feces-flinging chimpanzee frenzy. here's a reminder:

What has this post got to do with 'Anti Russian Rhetoric'? It's all about Pilgers film & nothing to do
with Russia anti or otherwise

[rowan]

There's a subtle clue in the accompanying comment, Belgarian: If anyone is wondering what set off this feces-flinging chimpanzee frenzy. here's a reminder:

[rowan]

Anti-Russian propaganda has reached a crescendo because Putin is a strong leader with immense popularity who has revived the economy, restored independence and stood up to the West, notably thwarting America's imperialist designs on Syria. Britain and its NATO allies therefore seek to discredit Putin with baseless allegations on the very eve of the Russian elections and the football World Cup in that nation. NATO, of course, has invaded an entire string of nations since the end of the Cold War, creating a mountain of human carnage and suffering and all based on lies and deceptions. It has also expanded into Eastern Europe in violation of post-Cold War agreements and surrounded both Russia and China with military bases, as well as Iran. Its current stance on Russia is not supported by Asia, Africa, the Middle East or Latin America - ie the vast majority of the world. There is no concrete evidence against Russia, there is certainly no plausible motive, and while the OPCW has confirmed that Russia has destroyed its nerve agent program, the same cannot be said of the US, Britain or Israel, for example.

]The Historical Context for Western Aggression

Several fundamental historical factors dating back to the 1990’s account for the current surge in Western hostility to Russia.

First and foremost, during the 1990’s the US degraded Russia, reducing it to a vassal state, and imposing itself as a unipolar state.

Secondly, Western elites pillaged the Russian economy, seizing and laundering hundreds of billions of dollars. Wall Street and City of London banks and overseas tax havens were the main beneficiaries

Thirdly, the US seized and took control of the Russian electoral process, and secured the fraudulent “election” of Yeltsin.

Fourthly, the West degraded Russia’s military and scientific institutions and advanced their armed forces to Russia’s borders.

Fifthly, the West insured that Russia was unable to support its allies and independent governments throughout Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America. Russia was unable to aid its allies in the Ukraine, Cuba, North Korea, Libya etc.

With the collapse of the Yeltsin regime and the election of President Putin, Russia regained its sovereignty, its economy recovered, its armed forces and scientific institutes were rebuilt and strengthened. Poverty was sharply reduced and Western backed gangster capitalists were constrained, jailed or fled mostly to the UK and the US.

Russia’s historic recovery under President Putin and its gradual international influence shattered US pretense to rule over unipolar world. Russia’s recovery and control of its economic resources lessened US dominance, especially of its oil and gas fields.

As Russia consolidated its sovereignty and advanced economically, socially, politically and militarily, the West increased its hostility in an effort to roll-back Russia to the Dark Ages of the 1990’s.

The US launched numerous coups and military intervention and fraudulent elections to surround and isolate Russia . The Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and Russian allies in Central Asia were targeted. NATO military bases proliferated.

Russia’s economy was targeted : sanctions were directed at its imports and exports. President Putin was subject to a virulent Western media propaganda campaign. US NGO’s funded opposition parties and politicians.

The US-EU rollback campaign failed.

The encirclement campaign failed.

The Ukraine fragmented – Russia allies took control of the East; Crimean voted for unification with Russia. Syria joined with Russia to defeat armed US vassals. Russia turned to China’s multi-lateral trade, transport and financial networks.

As the entire US unipolar fantasy dissolved it provoked deep resentment, animosity and a systematic counter-attack. The US’s costly and failed war on terror became a dress rehearsal for the economic and ideological war against the Kremlin ..Russia’s historical recovery and defeat of Western rollback intensified the ideological and economic war.

The UK poison plot was concocted to heighten economic tensions and prepare the western public for heightened military confrontations.

Russia is not a threat to the West: it is recovering its sovereignty in order to further a multi-polar world. President Putin is not an “aggressor” but he refuses to allow Russia to return to vassalage.

President Putin is immensely popular in Russia and hated by the US precisely because he is the opposition of Yeltsin – he has created a flourishing economy; he resists sanctions and defends Russia’s borders and allies.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-the-u ... ia/5632878

[rowan]

Here's a couple more:

Anti-Russia hysteria reached parodical proportions in the ‘mainstream’ media in the wake of the Sergei Skripol ‘novichok’ incident in recent days but what this burlesque spectacle actually reveals is the toxic interdependence between the corporate state and the corporate media – the operative word there being ‘corporate’ – exposing how they always work together to sweep us all along on a tide of fast-rising nationalistic fervour into the next geopolitically convenient conflict. https://bsnews.info/russiagate-corbyn-a ... ate-media/

Evidence submitted by the British government in court today proves, beyond any doubt, that Boris Johnson has been point blank lying about the degree of certainty Porton Down scientists have about the Skripals being poisoned with a Russian “novichok” agent. https://bsnews.info/boris-johnson-a-categorical-liar/

[Stones of granite]

Here's a couple more:


Evidence submitted by the British government in court today proves, beyond any doubt, that Boris Johnson has been point blank lying about the degree of certainty Porton Down scientists have about the Skripals being poisoned with a Russian “novichok” agent. https://bsnews.info/boris-johnson-a-categorical-liar/

If ever proof was required that Craig Murray is making mischieve for the hell of it, that’s it right there. The whole basis of his argument in that piece is the legalese used in the High Court submission asking for authority to take blood from the Skripals for purposes of providing evidence to the OPCW. The submission uses the following phrase:
Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent or closely related agent

Murray claims that the use of the phrase or closely related agent is evidence of Boris Johnson deliberately lying to the public. This has to be an extreme case of clutching at straws. The purpose of providing the sample to the OPCW in the first place is to provide independent verification that it is a Novichok agent, therefore stating in evidence that it has been definitively identified as one would be unnecessarily limiting to the court submission.

Talk about clutching at straws.

[Donny osmond]

I was under the impression that part of the problem was that the russians have never declared novichok group of compounds to the OPCW. At least thats what I've read from several university professors of chemistry who have an insight into this whole affair that is denied to liars like Murray and his zombie acolytes

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