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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masstwitchy wrote:If you think about it what really is mass? Like we are all just energy man. A mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
If he's the best we've got we're not very good, I'm not certain he's the best we could be, but I've long been less than enamoured so it's possible I can't see the wood for the treesPuja wrote:The difference between him and Hughes is that Robshaw *has* succeeded at test level in the past. He was rubbish in South Africa, but the poor sod's been carrying Quins for years and doing the donkey work for England all season (and basically beig the only working back row for most of the 6N selections). He needed a rest.Digby wrote:Robshaw was miles off the pace in SA, and even allowing for fatigue I don't see much that makes him an obvious candidate to succeed at test level unless the rest of his pack really covers his lack of pacePuja wrote:He really should be fixed on Robshaw at 6. He's still churning out quality performances and the only risk to him is his inevitable exhaustion and burnout. He should never have gone to South Africa, especially not to be f*cked about. Hopefully Quins will do the right thing by him and rest him for the European weekends.
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Maybe we can get away with having a more turgid player in a Hartley or a Robshaw, but if we start stacking the pack with them we'd better start some rain dances
He's now turning in typical tireless performances for Quins and looks to be in prime form. He's not a turgid player that you get away with - he's the glue that allows others to shine. Yes, it'd be nice if he had a bit more pace, but I'd rather have someone at 6 who keeps running and grinds himself into the ground for the team than someone with more flash and less work ethic.
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It's this.Digby wrote:we're not very good,Puja wrote:The difference between him and Hughes is that Robshaw *has* succeeded at test level in the past. He was rubbish in South Africa, but the poor sod's been carrying Quins for years and doing the donkey work for England all season (and basically beig the only working back row for most of the 6N selections). He needed a rest.Digby wrote:
Robshaw was miles off the pace in SA, and even allowing for fatigue I don't see much that makes him an obvious candidate to succeed at test level unless the rest of his pack really covers his lack of pace
Maybe we can get away with having a more turgid player in a Hartley or a Robshaw, but if we start stacking the pack with them we'd better start some rain dances
He's now turning in typical tireless performances for Quins and looks to be in prime form. He's not a turgid player that you get away with - he's the glue that allows others to shine. Yes, it'd be nice if he had a bit more pace, but I'd rather have someone at 6 who keeps running and grinds himself into the ground for the team than someone with more flash and less work ethic.
Puja
I really do think you're significantly underestimating him. Hopefully he'll show his non-knackered performances again this autumn and we won't just have a thrid second row selected, again. Or Shields parachuted in without form. Or Rhodes parachuted in for no reason apart from being from the SH and Eddie liking the cut of his jib.Digby wrote:If he's the best we've got we're not very good, I'm not certain he's the best we could be, but I've long been less than enamoured so it's possible I can't see the wood for the treesPuja wrote:The difference between him and Hughes is that Robshaw *has* succeeded at test level in the past. He was rubbish in South Africa, but the poor sod's been carrying Quins for years and doing the donkey work for England all season (and basically beig the only working back row for most of the 6N selections). He needed a rest.Digby wrote:
Robshaw was miles off the pace in SA, and even allowing for fatigue I don't see much that makes him an obvious candidate to succeed at test level unless the rest of his pack really covers his lack of pace
Maybe we can get away with having a more turgid player in a Hartley or a Robshaw, but if we start stacking the pack with them we'd better start some rain dances
He's now turning in typical tireless performances for Quins and looks to be in prime form. He's not a turgid player that you get away with - he's the glue that allows others to shine. Yes, it'd be nice if he had a bit more pace, but I'd rather have someone at 6 who keeps running and grinds himself into the ground for the team than someone with more flash and less work ethic.
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Robshaw may not get into the NZ team nor the SA team now they've discovered Kolisi, but he's a damn good player. He has excellent reading of the game, he invaiably makes his tackles, and lots of them, and he rarely breaks down.Digby wrote:If he's the best we've got we're not very good, I'm not certain he's the best we could be, but I've long been less than enamoured so it's possible I can't see the wood for the treesPuja wrote:The difference between him and Hughes is that Robshaw *has* succeeded at test level in the past. He was rubbish in South Africa, but the poor sod's been carrying Quins for years and doing the donkey work for England all season (and basically beig the only working back row for most of the 6N selections). He needed a rest.Digby wrote:
Robshaw was miles off the pace in SA, and even allowing for fatigue I don't see much that makes him an obvious candidate to succeed at test level unless the rest of his pack really covers his lack of pace
Maybe we can get away with having a more turgid player in a Hartley or a Robshaw, but if we start stacking the pack with them we'd better start some rain dances
He's now turning in typical tireless performances for Quins and looks to be in prime form. He's not a turgid player that you get away with - he's the glue that allows others to shine. Yes, it'd be nice if he had a bit more pace, but I'd rather have someone at 6 who keeps running and grinds himself into the ground for the team than someone with more flash and less work ethic.
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Any updates on him?Raggs wrote:Willis
May not? It's not just those two either, it's quite likely the only 6N team who'd start him is England. he's hardly a bad player, and he puts in some exceptional efforts but for me he does lack some skills, he can't maintain a huge workrate to overcome that and he lacks pace to cover any mistakesStom wrote:
Robshaw may not get into the NZ team nor the SA team now they've discovered Kolisi, but he's a damn good player. He has excellent reading of the game, he invaiably makes his tackles, and lots of them, and he rarely breaks down.
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I imagine Eddie would've liked to have tried him at 7 in SA except for his injury. He seems to tick most of Eddie's current Eng 7 requirements.twitchy wrote:Any updates on him?Raggs wrote:Willis
May not... but. It's a phrase.Digby wrote:May not? It's not just those two either, it's quite likely the only 6N team who'd start him is England. he's hardly a bad player, and he puts in some exceptional efforts but for me he does lack some skills, he can't maintain a huge workrate to overcome that and he lacks pace to cover any mistakesStom wrote:
Robshaw may not get into the NZ team nor the SA team now they've discovered Kolisi, but he's a damn good player. He has excellent reading of the game, he invaiably makes his tackles, and lots of them, and he rarely breaks down.
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Thanks Stom. +1 on both of your last posts. Saved me the effort.Stom wrote:Not to say we shouldn't be looking at upgrades, we absolutely should. There just aren't any. Yet. Willis could come back perfect for the job. If Underhill keeps improving in attack, he could do so. Shields could take over. Then there is Clifford (if ever fit), Mercer at 6 or one of the young Prem backrows currently getting gametime.
But none of them have been anywhere near Robshaw's standards recently, either due to class, form or injury.
Just read this on the BBC. So why do English players get released out side of the window? Is there an extra clause?Oakboy wrote:Why can't the AP slacken off on player release for the extra AI in the run-up to the RWC? It does England no favours to play a SA XV missing 4 players. Why not rearrange the club matches, come to that? I think there needs to be a re-think on the whole business. There should be no club matches during AIs or 6N and the 6N should have no gap weeks.
The RFU pays the clubs for release. The PRL have already stated in the past that they'd be happy to talk to other unions about making similar arrangements.JellyHead wrote:Just read this on the BBC. So why do English players get released out side of the window? Is there an extra clause?Oakboy wrote:Why can't the AP slacken off on player release for the extra AI in the run-up to the RWC? It does England no favours to play a SA XV missing 4 players. Why not rearrange the club matches, come to that? I think there needs to be a re-think on the whole business. There should be no club matches during AIs or 6N and the 6N should have no gap weeks.
Cheers.Raggs wrote: The RFU pays the clubs for release. The PRL have already stated in the past that they'd be happy to talk to other unions about making similar arrangements.
They would argue why can't national teams just organise 3 autumn internationals inside the release window. I agree with you on there shouldn't be club games in international weekends, but where else are you going to fit them into the season? It's a quart into a pint pot and until they accept Which's manifesto of having 16-20 clubs in two divisions of 8-10, there's going to be more games than there are eligible weekends.Oakboy wrote:Why can't the AP slacken off on player release for the extra AI in the run-up to the RWC? It does England no favours to play a SA XV missing 4 players. Why not rearrange the club matches, come to that? I think there needs to be a re-think on the whole business. There should be no club matches during AIs or 6N and the 6N should have no gap weeks.