EPS Watch / Player Form Thread
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Billy has far better hair, too.
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Robshaw out for 8 weeks, knee surgery.
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Oh FFS. Rhodes now guaranteed to play.twitchy wrote:Robshaw out for 8 weeks, knee surgery.
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Get ready for 6. Shields 7. Rhodes 8. Ross.
Glorious.
Glorious.
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The bolded bit is incredibly selective memory IMO - Billy continually failed to deliver against the big teams and his mistakes were definitely not mostly about playing catch-up. I would also note that Fazlet's mistakes have been getting fewer and further between (at least until last weekend).Digby wrote:Why?Puja wrote:I know you're not a Farrell fan, but that's strikingly unfair.Digby wrote:I'm flat out not interested in Farrell at 12, and I'd happily contend Twelvetrees has shown more at 12 at test level than both Farrell, Manu and Slade
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Both can pass well, but both make mistakes, with the caveat a large number of Billy's mistakes came late in games where we were playing catchup and he was getting little to no help from attacking talent either side of him such as Farrell and Barritt , and our back row selections were as now limited in supplying fast ball
Both have excellent work rates
Better decision maker is Farrell, but that relates more to the stand off role
Better carrier is Billy
Better tackler is Billy
Better breakdown work comes from Billy
Better kicker is Farrell
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With his apparent status as captain-in-waiting is there any evidence that Farrell is a good defensive organiser? 36 is a pretty good defender and tackler.Puja wrote:The bolded bit is incredibly selective memory IMO - Billy continually failed to deliver against the big teams and his mistakes were definitely not mostly about playing catch-up. I would also note that Fazlet's mistakes have been getting fewer and further between (at least until last weekend).Digby wrote:Why?Puja wrote:
I know you're not a Farrell fan, but that's strikingly unfair.
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Both can pass well, but both make mistakes, with the caveat a large number of Billy's mistakes came late in games where we were playing catchup and he was getting little to no help from attacking talent either side of him such as Farrell and Barritt , and our back row selections were as now limited in supplying fast ball
Both have excellent work rates
Better decision maker is Farrell, but that relates more to the stand off role
Better carrier is Billy
Better tackler is Billy
Better breakdown work comes from Billy
Better kicker is Farrell
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Farrell is certainly loud, and if in doubt that his default is go forward and apply pressure is more useful than to dither, not much to evidence the defensive shape around him is great, but plenty of times it'll have been Barritt doing that and it's bloody hard to tell much from watching TV
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I hope not.Mikey Brown wrote:Get ready for 6. Shields 7. Rhodes 8. Ross.
Glorious.
Surely even Eddie wouldn’t pick a back row with two debutants and a player with about 90mins actual game time across two caps.
Personally I’d go for Wilson, Curry and Morgan (IMO that’s the most balanced unit we can field) but I think there’s almost 0 chance of that.
Realistically though, our back row options now have very little test experience at all.
Wilson and Curry have about 5 caps, Shields and Armand have a couple each and that’s about it, unless Morgan is recalled.
I know must of us want to see a recall for Kvesic but that doesn’t change things much as he only has about 3 or 4 caps!
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Come kick off, I’ll supported whoever is picked but I really dislike Rhodes. Do we really want a dirty player who’ll literally pull hair, stamp, elbow and neck roll his way through a game?Puja wrote:Oh FFS. Rhodes now guaranteed to play.twitchy wrote:Robshaw out for 8 weeks, knee surgery.
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If he’s picked, I think he’ll be a Timmy Harrison anyway - in other words - not up to it.
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I’m not sure more equals better TBH ...Mellsblue wrote:Billy has far better hair, too.
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I still think Harrison could be a useful player, but I think he lost his head in his England debut. Needs to be brought along better. Though there's other options anyway.
Really annoyed about Willis now.
Really annoyed about Willis now.
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I will be distressed if Rhodes gets in ahead of Mark Wilson and one or two others. Haskell is fit. He would provide a bit of experience in a unit that is going to be very short of that commodity.
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Haskell May be fit, but he’s been poor, or at best very average for Saints so far.
If I were Eddie, I’d be engagoing full on fuc% it mode and picking an experimental side. I doubt I’d like his version of experimental though.
If I were Eddie, I’d be engagoing full on fuc% it mode and picking an experimental side. I doubt I’d like his version of experimental though.
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Next you’ll be telling me Nicky Clarke and Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen have terrible hair.Scrumhead wrote:I’m not sure more equals better TBH ...Mellsblue wrote:Billy has far better hair, too.
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Itoje plays more at 6 for Saracens than in the 2nd row. He is an experienced international with leadership qualities. I can see Jones picking him at BS now. I'd definitely prefer him there to Shields or Rhodes.
I'd pick Armand, Curry and Morgan.
I can see Jones picking Itoje, Curry and Shields.
I'd pick Armand, Curry and Morgan.
I can see Jones picking Itoje, Curry and Shields.
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Oakboy wrote:Itoje plays more at 6 for Saracens than in the 2nd row. He is an experienced international with leadership qualities. I can see Jones picking him at BS now. I'd definitely prefer him there to Shields or Rhodes.
I'd pick Armand, Curry and Morgan.
I can see Jones picking Itoje, Curry and Shields.
Most inexperienced international back row ever?
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I can’t wait for the wall to wall Tom Wood interviews, exposes and opinion pieces in the media tomorrow.
I’m trying to pick a backrow but I can’t find one that doesn’t fill me with dread. I think I’d go:
6. Wilson
7. Curry
8. Mercer
and then hide behind the sofa.
I’m trying to pick a backrow but I can’t find one that doesn’t fill me with dread. I think I’d go:
6. Wilson
7. Curry
8. Mercer
and then hide behind the sofa.
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Wilson
Curry
Morgan
With Any of kvesic, mercer, or Armand on the bench for me
Curry
Morgan
With Any of kvesic, mercer, or Armand on the bench for me
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Mike Rhodes is someone, a bit like Armand, who i’d be confident could hold his own at international level straight away. The bloke is one of the biggest hitters in a team of big hitters. Very physical, quick, good around the setpiece.
I’d go;
6. Rhodes
7. TCurry
8. Morgan
20. Armand.
I’d go;
6. Rhodes
7. TCurry
8. Morgan
20. Armand.
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Is he quick? I haven't paid him much attention. Just seemed like a big lump who likes the rough stuff, both legal and non-legal.
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Anyone up for a double curry?
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While I'm here, anyone finding the recent Cipriani jizzfest extra annoying? Is it just because Healey is now involved?
http://sport.bt.com/cipriani-miracle-pa ... 4302876645
I mean I'd call that a good solid decision/pass, but miracle?
http://sport.bt.com/cipriani-miracle-pa ... 4302876645
I mean I'd call that a good solid decision/pass, but miracle?
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He is. Surprisingly so when he gets going.Mikey Brown wrote:Is he quick? I haven't paid him much attention. Just seemed like a big lump who likes the rough stuff, both legal and non-legal.
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It's not just you. I like Cipriani, but the media (and some fan) furore about him makes it really hard when he can do one thing in a game and be described as "dominant" or make a simple pass and be "magical".Mikey Brown wrote:While I'm here, anyone finding the recent Cipriani jizzfest extra annoying? Is it just because Healey is now involved?
http://sport.bt.com/cipriani-miracle-pa ... 4302876645
I mean I'd call that a good solid decision/pass, but miracle?
It's less annoying than the pundit-Fazlet love though.
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I don’t care if he’s reasonably quick - he’s a liability from a disciplinary point of view and is incredibly hard to like.Timbo wrote:He is. Surprisingly so when he gets going.Mikey Brown wrote:Is he quick? I haven't paid him much attention. Just seemed like a big lump who likes the rough stuff, both legal and non-legal.
I predicted ages ago that Eddie would pick him as soon as he could, but I really don’t like it.