Lions

[OptimisticJock]

Chaff

[Chunks Baws]

Reminds me of a classic meme. A special prize for special fans & players.

There's some cringey pish on Social Media but this is beyond. Upper cut yourself.

[Stones of granite]

It's a ropey as fuck law, it needs to be in the game to prevent cynical play, but it's extremely harsh to penalise a player for an instinctive grab of the ball made in a split second from a marginally offside position.

I think it was the correct call, although, I would.

It really does make me wonder if our exit from the World Cup may have had an influence on that call.

I asked a couple ref pals on Pussbook and 3 others chimed in. 60/40 split, which is telling even of only a 5 person sample. It should be made clearer in law.

One ref saying he only uses accidental offside around rucks and mauls for running into your own player.

One saying that it's hard to know what is a legitimate reflex and what is deliberate so errs on a penalty most of the time.

So the 2 above are refereeing as per 11.7 .

3 saying that was impossible for Owens to get out the way and given proximity to the knock on him catching it could only have been reflex. To them it's clearly accidental offside as he could not have avoided the ball so comes under 11.6.

Ha! Aye, right there is he issue with it. It's another one of our laws that relies heavily on interpretation, and worse still, it also asks refs to judge intent.

Reading all this stuff earlier without having seen the game, I was intrigued. Now that I have seen it, all I can conclude is that some of you are delusional. That was a penalty without any doubt. He caught the ball in an offside position from a knock on, and trying to mitigate it with cry's of it being an instinctive reflex are both laughable and irrelevant. For whatever's reason, the ref bottled that. No wonder the kiwis are whinging, that is an inexplicable decision.

[Edinburgh in Exile]

I asked a couple ref pals on Pussbook and 3 others chimed in. 60/40 split, which is telling even of only a 5 person sample. It should be made clearer in law.

One ref saying he only uses accidental offside around rucks and mauls for running into your own player.

One saying that it's hard to know what is a legitimate reflex and what is deliberate so errs on a penalty most of the time.

So the 2 above are refereeing as per 11.7 .

3 saying that was impossible for Owens to get out the way and given proximity to the knock on him catching it could only have been reflex. To them it's clearly accidental offside as he could not have avoided the ball so comes under 11.6.

Ha! Aye, right there is he issue with it. It's another one of our laws that relies heavily on interpretation, and worse still, it also asks refs to judge intent.

Reading all this stuff earlier without having seen the game, I was intrigued. Now that I have seen it, all I can conclude is that some of you are delusional. That was a penalty without any doubt. He caught the ball in an offside position from a knock on, and trying to mitigate it with cry's of it being an instinctive reflex are both laughable and irrelevant. For whatever's reason, the ref bottled that. No wonder the kiwis are whinging, that is an inexplicable decision.

Aye, you could very well be right. My bias is extreme when it comes to sides I support, and I've never been a fan of that law. If it had happened to Scotland I would be spitting blood.

[Spiffy]

Lions fans acting as if a 66-54 series loss on points is something to be proud of. Hilarious.

You have to put it into context. We all (or nearly all) expected an AB whitewash and a right royal thumping in all tests. To draw a series against NZ at home with a limited coach and some poor selections is not a bad performance at all.

[QwentyJ]

It being the back of 8 on a Saturday night back home I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you be had a couple of Smirnoff ices and are steaming otherwise that chaff is some of the worst you've come up with.

How many smirnoff ices did it take for you to spread your buttocks for the English, Welsh & Irish Lions? Not many apparently...

Mate...give over

[Spiffy]

Robert Kitson, a journalist, described Warburton in an article in today's Guardian as the Lions "brightest star".

[whatisthejava]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/40589770

This really boils my piss, what lions tours boil down to and why Gatland will always pick his favorites


Because he has a blind hope that after 30+ attempts Wales may get a win against a SH team

He only has the worst SA and he hasnt even beaten a poor Australia

And yt they call him a class coach

[Chunks Baws]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/40589770

This really boils my piss, what lions tours boil down to and why Gatland will always pick his favorites


Because he has a blind hope that after 30+ attempts Wales may get a win against a SH team

He only has the worst SA and he hasnt even beaten a poor Australia

And yt they call him a class coach

His name is being mentioned for the 2021 gig too. He's a fucking arse.

[Mikey Brown]

I'd love to see what Eddie Jones would do with a Lions team in 2021.

[Edinburgh in Exile]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/40589770

This really boils my piss, what lions tours boil down to and why Gatland will always pick his favorites


Because he has a blind hope that after 30+ attempts Wales may get a win against a SH team

He only has the worst SA and he hasnt even beaten a poor Australia

And yt they call him a class coach

His name is being mentioned for the 2021 gig too. He's a fucking arse.

Eeesh, the prospect of that would severely push my resolve.

Really want Townsend to put his hand up for the next one. If (as it's been correctly pointed out on here) it's no longer the British and Irish Lions, and more the "insert coach here" Lions. Then I'd personally much rather see Toonys Lions than Gatlands Lions.

[Chunks Baws]

I'd love to see what Eddie Jones would do with a Lions team in 2021.

Same here.

[OptimisticJock]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/40589770

This really boils my piss, what lions tours boil down to and why Gatland will always pick his favorites


Because he has a blind hope that after 30+ attempts Wales may get a win against a SH team

He only has the worst SA and he hasnt even beaten a poor Australia

And yt they call him a class coach

His name is being mentioned for the 2021 gig too. He's a fucking arse.

Maybe I won't bother saving for SA

[switchskier]

So much for any Scots touring in two years time.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... frica-2021

[Big D]

So much for any Scots touring in two years time.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... frica-2021

I am in no way defending Gatland, but we need to stop pretending it is only he who hasn't picked one or two Scots who we may feel deserved to go. It isn't. McGeechan also picked few Scots.

All I want is our players to keep playing well and getting to/being involved in the latter stages of the competitions. Any Lions selection is a bonus for the players and/or fans who still support the concept.

[whatisthejava]

Nothing short of a 6N championship before the lions will get anyone more than a token smattering

Pretty gutted about this but the scots know what they need to do

[hugh_woatmeigh]

If we were picking the Lions now I'd admit none deserve to go bar Hogg perhaps. The inconsistency that we play with is not cut out for top test rugby. Or knock out rugby... so the world cup is a huge concern but that's another topic

[Puja]

On the bright side, he won't have been Welsh coach for two years by then, so he'll have less of a tendency to just reach for the players he's used to.

Puja

[General Zod]

On the bright side, he won't have been Welsh coach for two years by then, so he'll have less of a tendency to just reach for the players he's used to.

Puja

All he’s going to do is stuff the squad full of England players so he can train with them for 6 weeks, as he’ll be coaching them after the World Cup.

[Puja]

On the bright side, he won't have been Welsh coach for two years by then, so he'll have less of a tendency to just reach for the players he's used to.

Puja

All he’s going to do is stuff the squad full of England players so he can train with them for 6 weeks, as he’ll be coaching them after the World Cup.

I'm still trying to live in denial about that, thank you very much.

Puja

[switchskier]

So much for any Scots touring in two years time.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... frica-2021

I am in no way defending Gatland, but we need to stop pretending it is only he who hasn't picked one or two Scots who we may feel deserved to go. It isn't. McGeechan also picked few Scots.

All I want is our players to keep playing well and getting to/being involved in the latter stages of the competitions. Any Lions selection is a bonus for the players and/or fans who still support the concept.

Yes but in 2009 we were rubbish. That year in the 6N we scored a total of four tries.

[paddy no 11]

McInally travels for sure, quality player & leader, not inclined to giving away hari kiri penalties like some of his teammates

Watson travels but competition is tighter here

[Big D]

McInally travels for sure, quality player & leader, not inclined to giving away hari kiri penalties like some of his teammates

Watson travels but competition is tighter here

No point speculating at this stage. 2 years out with a RWC to come and no doubt a slew of retirements and some younger/less experienced international players to make some gains.

Plus we all know we want a team full of Darcy Grahams

That tour will be brutal on the players too so no doubt a few drop outs on tour.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

Gatland going to be official soon, I hear.

Where's EinE these days? He'll be jizzing himself over this one.

[whatisthejava]

Gatland going to be official soon, I hear.

Where's EinE these days? He'll be jizzing himself over this one.

Gatland confirmed

Kinda innterested to see if his loyalty to wales players lasts two years after the WC. He is very loyal to his players but after two years away Pivac may well not work out and Wales could be in a myre so its really difficult to tell what he will do