Australia v. New Zealand is going to be quite a FORCE-ful encounter or something, fuck it, you do the jokes.

[16th man]

Is that what a red card is these days? Pretty tough. Only the fourth AB red card in history. Probably not in the top 4 bad AB tackles in history.

Says a lot about historic reffing of the ABs, less about what should be a red.

Hansen will bitch about it, in the same way he thought SBW should only have been yellowed for his shot on Watson.

[Banquo]

14 men or otherwise AB's have been struggling to contain the wobblies attack all game.

[Spy]

Says a lot about historic reffing of the ABs, less about what should be a red.

Hansen will bitch about it, in the same way he thought SBW should only have been yellowed for his shot on Watson.

In reality, it speaks more to how these things were refereed historically generally, and how it has changed in recent years. Not necessarily for the worse.

There was no question about the sbw red, IMO. Will need to see this one again.

[Spy]

14 men or otherwise AB's have been struggling to contain the wobblies attack all game.

Yep.

[Banquo]

14 men or otherwise AB's have been struggling to contain the wobblies attack all game.

Yep.

Very nice stuff from the wallabies, lots of variety.

This must be getting close to a record stuffing as it stands?

[Eugene Wrayburn]

White actually looks a good 9 in this.

Has a lot to do with a pack getting at least parity.

I reckon the Wallabies might have taken this anyway without the red. Looking quite useful as they were always likely to by the time of the RWC.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

And what has happened to Rieko Ioane? He's been awfully quiet of late.

[Puja]

Wallabies got a little bit of luck - the Koroibete try from close range shouldn't have stood, as he wasn't the back man. But having said that, the Kiwi second try was clearly forward and Garces has had a very funny idea of what constitutes a knock on all game, so it's evened out.

Puja

[Puja]

White actually looks a good 9 in this.

Has a lot to do with a pack getting at least parity.

Cause he doesn't normally get that at Exeter?

Puja

[Banquo]

White actually looks a good 9 in this.

Has a lot to do with a pack getting at least parity.

I reckon the Wallabies might have taken this anyway without the red. Looking quite useful as they were always likely to by the time of the RWC.

Agreed, as per my previous statement. Pack have had better than parity- possession and territory stats are quite stunning.

[Banquo]

White actually looks a good 9 in this.

Has a lot to do with a pack getting at least parity.

Cause he doesn't normally get that at Exeter?

Puja

well quite

[Eugene Wrayburn]

White actually looks a good 9 in this.

Has a lot to do with a pack getting at least parity.

Cause he doesn't normally get that at Exeter?

Puja

I watch zero Premiership rugby. From what I've seen the scrum half at exeter is required to do little more than pass to the next bloke to maintain possession.

[Banquo]

Has a lot to do with a pack getting at least parity.

Cause he doesn't normally get that at Exeter?

Puja

I watch zero Premiership rugby. From what I've seen the scrum half at exeter is required to do little more than pass to the next bloke to maintain possession.

eh?

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Cause he doesn't normally get that at Exeter?

Puja

I watch zero Premiership rugby. From what I've seen the scrum half at exeter is required to do little more than pass to the next bloke to maintain possession.

eh?

They do play in another competition, albeit not usually for very long.

[Spy]

Sound thrashing. Australia were considerably the better team all over. The two tries right after the break pretty much sealed it. Although there was plenty of rugby played after that, the All Blacks inability to hold their line at that point was critical. Well played Oz.

[Banquo]

I watch zero Premiership rugby. From what I've seen the scrum half at exeter is required to do little more than pass to the next bloke to maintain possession.

eh?

They do play in another competition, albeit not usually for very long.

So you would have seen he's looked very average for Chiefs- even accepting your critique of Chiefs play.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

eh?

They do play in another competition, albeit not usually for very long.

So you would have seen he's looked very average for Chiefs- even accepting your critique of Chiefs play.

My point is that it's a game plan that calls for the very average.

[Banquo]

They do play in another competition, albeit not usually for very long.

So you would have seen he's looked very average for Chiefs- even accepting your critique of Chiefs play.

My point is that it's a game plan that calls for the very average.

well he even manages to be poor at that, again allowing for your dismissal of their game plan.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Sound thrashing. Australia were considerably the better team all over. The two tries right after the break pretty much sealed it. Although there was plenty of rugby played after that, the All Blacks inability to hold their line at that point was critical. Well played Oz.

Aye. Interestingly not much attacking pizzazz in these ABs currently which makes me think there might be a bit being held back.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

So you would have seen he's looked very average for Chiefs- even accepting your critique of Chiefs play.

My point is that it's a game plan that calls for the very average.

well he even manages to be poor at that, again allowing for your dismissal of their game plan.

He just looked ordinary to me. Or very average, to use a phrase.

[paddy no 11]

Looking back its a clear red - the shoulder is dropped when he's 2 or 3 yards away the arm was never out

[zer0]

At least Canterbury lost as well.

[paddy no 11]

A huge fcuk you to Israel folau too

Aus far better off without him - silver lining there for all blacks fans

[Banquo]

My point is that it's a game plan that calls for the very average.

well he even manages to be poor at that, again allowing for your dismissal of their game plan.

He just looked ordinary to me. Or very average, to use a phrase.

Its become semantic, I agree. The key point is that he was excellent today- and its not something seen in Exeter's colours, so not purely down to pack dominance. It may be that the Oz game plan suits him much more than Chiefs (which does call for more kicking), but also that Oz actually dominated contact; the surprise was for those of us who have seen a lot of White, both for Chiefs and Oz.

[paddy no 11]

I'd like to make a pre game pro Michael Hooper statement - doesn't deserve half the stick he gets here

Going to bump this for cas