Trump

[cashead]

"How could I have known the President I voted for would do what he's done! BTW, voting for him again next year."


Unbelievable.

Do you read and understand, take in to consideration anything that doesnt align with your opinion?

You're trying to rationalise voting for someone who is responsible for concentration camps. Fuck you.

[Mellsblue]

Wow. I read this thread very irregularly and then only to have a giggle about what has triggered morepork and to read his subsequent articulate meltdown. I’d say the same about cashead but he gets triggered by, well, anything.

So, here we are having a go at someone who has voted, and will vote, because they think it will save their career/livelihood and prevent the myriad of sh!t that could happen if that career/livelihood isn’t saved. Here we are criticising someone when we have no idea of their situation, of the context. You’re all sat here safe in the knowledge that your disgust at what is happening, and I agree that Trump is a racist simpleton, is superior to Coco’s realities of life. This preaching is supercilious BS and pisses me off. It’s really simple when you’re sat behind a keyboard in the UK/NZ/some laboratory surrounded by the real world Big Bang Theory cast (minus the fit blonde one) with no real idea of the hollowing out of some US industries and towns/districts and the direct consequences of this. Ffs, some on here arguing with Coco argue that only those subject to certain sufferings can truly understand that suffering and formulate policy to end that suffering, yet here you are lecturing Coco when you have no comprehension of her situation. That strikes me highly hypocritical. Ffs (again) ol’ Donald has more posts on here than any domestic politics thread. This final point may be what puzzles me most.

Fark me, now I’ve been triggered.

Oh, yeah. To reiterate. I think Trump is a racist simpleton.

[Coco]

Fair point - it can be argued that this situation could not be extrapolated from 2016.

Do you intend to vote for him in 2020?

Puja

So far, I do plan on voting for Trump again. That could always change though... I am not a party voter and often vote for Democrats, Libertarians or Independents... just depends on issues and how their promises or plans might be implemented in reality vs. Utopia.

Then, with all due respect, you are voting for "this shit." You are voting for imprisoning innocent people and innocent children in cages that it is illegal to keep a dog in, because of their ethnicity.

Your rationale might be because of his economic policies, but that just means you regard economic policies that help you as being more important than treating people like human beings.

Puja

Puja, I think you might find that most people in this cruel world think of the wellbeing of their loved ones first. It is sort of like drowning... it is impossible to save anyone if youre drowning, too. Terrible analogy but youre smart enough to understand what I mean.

[Coco]

"How could I have known the President I voted for would do what he's done! BTW, voting for him again next year."


Unbelievable.

Do you read and understand, take in to consideration anything that doesnt align with your opinion?

You're trying to rationalise voting for someone who is responsible for concentration camps. Fuck you.

Huh? Im sorry... what?

[Mellsblue]

Wow. I read this thread very irregularly and then only to have a giggle about what has triggered morepork and to read his subsequent articulate meltdown. I’d say the same about cashead but he gets triggered by, well, anything.

So, here we are having a go at someone who has voted, and will vote, because they think it will save their career/livelihood and prevent the myriad of sh!t that could happen if that career/livelihood isn’t saved. Here we are criticising someone when we have no idea of their situation, of the context. You’re all sat here safe in the knowledge that your disgust at what is happening, and I agree that Trump is a racist simpleton, is superior to Coco’s realities of life. This preaching is supercilious BS and pisses me off. It’s really simple when you’re sat behind a keyboard in the UK/NZ/some laboratory surrounded by the real world Big Bang Theory cast (minus the fit blonde one) with no real idea of the hollowing out of some US industries and towns/districts and the direct consequences of this. Ffs, some on here arguing with Coco argue that only those subject to certain sufferings can truly understand that suffering and formulate policy to end that suffering, yet here you are lecturing Coco when you have no comprehension of her situation. That strikes me highly hypocritical. Ffs (again) ol’ Donald has more posts on here than any domestic politics thread. This final point may be what puzzles me most.

Fark me, now I’ve been triggered.

Oh, yeah. To reiterate. I think Trump is a racist simpleton.

Or, if you’re short of time, what Coco said about the drowning business.

[Puja]

Ffs, some on here arguing with Coco argue that only those subject to certain sufferings can truly understand that suffering and formulate policy to end that suffering, yet here you are lecturing Coco when you have no comprehension of her situation. That strikes me highly hypocritical.

Fair enough - I don't understand all of Coco's situation and will back off, although I will note that there's more than a bit of a false equivalence comparing what I tend to argue and accepting concentration camps as a reasonable price to pay for a better economic policy.

Anyway, back on topic - what do we think he's trying to deflect attention from with this hissy fit at Denmark over them not being willing to discuss selling him Greenland?

Puja

[cashead]

Wow. I read this thread very irregularly and then only to have a giggle about what has triggered morepork and to read his subsequent articulate meltdown. I’d say the same about cashead but he gets triggered by, well, anything.

So, here we are having a go at someone who has voted, and will vote, because they think it will save their career/livelihood and prevent the myriad of sh!t that could happen if that career/livelihood isn’t saved. Here we are criticising someone when we have no idea of their situation, of the context. You’re all sat here safe in the knowledge that your disgust at what is happening, and I agree that Trump is a racist simpleton, is superior to Coco’s realities of life. This preaching is supercilious BS and pisses me off. It’s really simple when you’re sat behind a keyboard in the UK/NZ/some laboratory surrounded by the real world Big Bang Theory cast (minus the fit blonde one) with no real idea of the hollowing out of some US industries and towns/districts and the direct consequences of this. Ffs, some on here arguing with Coco argue that only those subject to certain sufferings can truly understand that suffering and formulate policy to end that suffering, yet here you are lecturing Coco when you have no comprehension of her situation. That strikes me highly hypocritical. Ffs (again) ol’ Donald has more posts on here than any domestic politics thread. This final point may be what puzzles me most.

Fark me, now I’ve been triggered.

Oh, yeah. To reiterate. I think Trump is a racist simpleton.

Whatever, edgelord.

[Mellsblue]

Ffs, some on here arguing with Coco argue that only those subject to certain sufferings can truly understand that suffering and formulate policy to end that suffering, yet here you are lecturing Coco when you have no comprehension of her situation. That strikes me highly hypocritical.

Fair enough - I don't understand all of Coco's situation and will back off, although I will note that there's more than a bit of a false equivalence comparing what I tend to argue and accepting concentration camps as a reasonable price to pay for a better economic policy.

Anyway, back on topic - what do we think he's trying to deflect attention from with this hissy fit at Denmark over them not being willing to discuss selling him Greenland?

Puja

Yeah. That’s a strange one.

[Coco]

Whatever, edgelord.

Oh, the irony.

[morepork]

Mells has a point. I am articulate. He is also on the money with acknowledging the contribution of Coco to this debate. She is at ground zero. And has an important perspective. I disagree profoundly with her priorities, but I am in no position to judge her. The consensus of the entire world is that the current US administration is inept, and Coco, you will have to weather this with good grace, as indeed you have done thus far. Your input is an invaluable contribution to the thinking minds on here, although your vote less so. You have to appreciate both the history of our British Isles based posters and the fact that other posters , as far flung as Polynesia are being affected by the narrative coming from the hill.

[WaspInWales]

Ffs, some on here arguing with Coco argue that only those subject to certain sufferings can truly understand that suffering and formulate policy to end that suffering, yet here you are lecturing Coco when you have no comprehension of her situation. That strikes me highly hypocritical.

Fair enough - I don't understand all of Coco's situation and will back off, although I will note that there's more than a bit of a false equivalence comparing what I tend to argue and accepting concentration camps as a reasonable price to pay for a better economic policy.

Anyway, back on topic - what do we think he's trying to deflect attention from with this hissy fit at Denmark over them not being willing to discuss selling him Greenland?

Puja

The Greenland thing is just bizarre.

It seems he is pissed off more that the response has been that it was laughable to try to buy Greenland.

Tiny hands doesn't like to be ridiculed in public by anyone....let alone a woman!

His recent tweets and comments about being the chosen one are quite frankly more disturbing tbh.

[Puja]

So far, I do plan on voting for Trump again. That could always change though... I am not a party voter and often vote for Democrats, Libertarians or Independents... just depends on issues and how their promises or plans might be implemented in reality vs. Utopia.

Then, with all due respect, you are voting for "this shit." You are voting for imprisoning innocent people and innocent children in cages that it is illegal to keep a dog in, because of their ethnicity.

Your rationale might be because of his economic policies, but that just means you regard economic policies that help you as being more important than treating people like human beings.

Puja

Puja, I think you might find that most people in this cruel world think of the wellbeing of their loved ones first. It is sort of like drowning... it is impossible to save anyone if youre drowning, too. Terrible analogy but youre smart enough to understand what I mean.

I am, and I do get the issue of self-interest here. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few sounds great when you're not one of the few. But the price of that is concentration camps - sounds like the ones near you are pretty good, but that's really not the case in Texas from people I know there. I can't conceive of how someone can hear about the situations in El Paso and Clint, things caused by active decisions by this administration, and be willing to continue supporting them. That, to me, is beyond the pale, regardless of anything else that administration might do or promise to do.

However, as Mells correctly points out, I don't know how desperate your situation was/is and whether voting Trump 2020 will keep the wolf from the door, so I will back off.

Puja

[Mellsblue]

Bloody hell. I should have a couple of bottles of red and post on here more often. Obama won a bloody Nobel Peace Prize for less than this. (I say that only half in jest).

[WaspInWales]

Mells has a point. I am articulate. He is also on the money with acknowledging the contribution of Coco to this debate. She is at ground zero. And has an important perspective. I disagree profoundly with her priorities, but I am in no position to judge her. The consensus of the entire world is that the current US administration is inept, and Coco, you will have to weather this with good grace, as indeed you have done thus far. Your input is an invaluable contribution to the thinking minds on here, although your vote less so. You have to appreciate both the history of our British Isles based posters and the fact that other posters , as far flung as Polynesia are being affected by the narrative coming from the hill.

What MP said.

This thread was starting to get a bit ugly of late tbh.

I can't stand Trump and the ideas and policies he pushes. The man is a complete fucktard who is being played by those around him for financial, and even more dark reasons....all hidden under a patriotic veil of 'this is for America'. The cunt has set progress back decades all the while banging his racist drum and stirring up a fervour, but at the same time, I can see how it works for some. I don't agree with it, but you can't please all of the people all of the time. Trump just nails this and the funniest thing about it is that he has no idea. He thinks he is the dog's fucking bollocks...no, the chosen one, or messiah.

[Coco]

Bloody hell. I should have a couple of bottles of red and post on here more often. Obama won a bloody Nobel Peace Prize for less than this. (I say that only half in jest).

You really should... *wipes a tear*

[cashead]

Do you read and understand, take in to consideration anything that doesnt align with your opinion?

You're trying to rationalise voting for someone who is responsible for concentration camps. Fuck you.

Huh? Im sorry... what?

Even if you had no idea that the GOP and White House's behaviour would extend to building concentration camps, that doesn't excuse your ongoing support for a government and President that is willing to sink to that level. Any support for it is inexcusable because it makes you complicit, regardless of whatever rationalisations you want to come up - and as far as I'm concerned, getting yelled at for supporting a government that is demonstrating the tenets of fascism is still letting you off lightly.

[Coco]

You're trying to rationalise voting for someone who is responsible for concentration camps. Fuck you.

Huh? Im sorry... what?

Even if you had no idea that the GOP and White House's behaviour would extend to building concentration camps, that doesn't excuse your ongoing support for a government and President that is willing to sink to that level. Any support for it is inexcusable because it makes you complicit, regardless of whatever rationalisations you want to come up - and as far as I'm concerned, getting yelled at for supporting a government that is demonstrating the tenets of fascism is still letting you off lightly.

Oh yeah? Well you arent concerned so you can rest well, Brenda.

[Stones of granite]

Ffs, some on here arguing with Coco argue that only those subject to certain sufferings can truly understand that suffering and formulate policy to end that suffering, yet here you are lecturing Coco when you have no comprehension of her situation. That strikes me highly hypocritical.

Fair enough - I don't understand all of Coco's situation and will back off, although I will note that there's more than a bit of a false equivalence comparing what I tend to argue and accepting concentration camps as a reasonable price to pay for a better economic policy.

Anyway, back on topic - what do we think he's trying to deflect attention from with this hissy fit at Denmark over them not being willing to discuss selling him Greenland?

Puja

The Greenland thing is just bizarre.

It seems he is pissed off more that the response has been that it was laughable to try to buy Greenland.

Tiny hands doesn't like to be ridiculed in public by anyone....let alone a woman!

His recent tweets and comments about being the chosen one are quite frankly more disturbing tbh.

Greenland is a potential source of rare-earths, which are currently largely sourced from China. My theory is that one of his advisers told him that his strategic genius would be apparent to everyone if he purchased Greenland and broke the reliance on China of the forthcoming electric vehicle era.

[Digby]

Fair enough - I don't understand all of Coco's situation and will back off, although I will note that there's more than a bit of a false equivalence comparing what I tend to argue and accepting concentration camps as a reasonable price to pay for a better economic policy.

Anyway, back on topic - what do we think he's trying to deflect attention from with this hissy fit at Denmark over them not being willing to discuss selling him Greenland?

Puja

The Greenland thing is just bizarre.

It seems he is pissed off more that the response has been that it was laughable to try to buy Greenland.

Tiny hands doesn't like to be ridiculed in public by anyone....let alone a woman!

His recent tweets and comments about being the chosen one are quite frankly more disturbing tbh.

Greenland is a potential source of rare-earths, which are currently largely sourced from China. My theory is that one of his advisers told him that his strategic genius would be apparent to everyone if he purchased Greenland and broke the reliance on China of the forthcoming electric vehicle era.

China has already had a few cracks at getting involved with Greenland, which has as you note some valuable natural resources, both itself and into the Arctic, and will have some valuable shipping routes too once Trumps's environmental plans continue. But for now China had been a little confused that Greenland (and Denmark) aren't as impressed with the spectacularly shit deals that China is strong arming its neighbours and African nations into, and China hasn't really seemingly had any new ideas on how to progress their ambitions. China will though like that Trump has given them a huge publicity coup with his brazenly stupid and childish ambitions for empire.

[Digby]

Clearly all Trump haters are wrong, he is in fact the King of Israel, and indeed the second coming of God, frankly we should be gifting him Greenland, Ivanka, and anything else he desires. Who amongst us would gainsay the chosen one?

[morepork]

I can’t help it . I am compelled to provide the following critique of Orange Jesus’s economic and diplomatic acumen :

What


A


Fucking


Muppet.

[WaspInWales]

I can’t help it . I am compelled to provide the following critique of Orange Jesus’s economic and diplomatic acumen :

What


A


Fucking


Muppet.

I hereby order a stop to this kinda talk MP!

The twat is going to drag the world into a war through Twitter. As scary as that is, just take a moment to think about it. It's kinda impressive isn't it? Go on admit it.

I'd love to be able to start a major global conflict via social media, but I lack the skillz.

One minute he praises China. Says they're gonna make a deal, they need the deal, their economy is shit and the next he's attacking them. Seems like his trade war has somehow backfired. Never saw that coming.

And if the US economy is looking so good with money pouring in from everywhere, why is the national debt at a record high and why is he constantly attacked the Fed? It doesn't seem to add up.

[morepork]

Fucking snowflake

[Digby]

You've got to surely respect someone who talks of great US companies, and then orders them with no authority to withdraw interest from one of the largest and fastest growing markets going. Hard to laugh too much of course when the insanity of Trump should incline one toward siding with the EU, not abandon the EU to seek a new deal with a cretin

[WaspInWales]

I don't know how he can get away with such outlandish, bullshit comments and personal attacks at others. In most other countries, he'd have the shit sued out of him on a daily basis. I get the first amendment, but he crosses the line far too often. The attacks on the Muslim Democrats in Congress were just astonishing. Accusing them of hating their country, Israel, Jews etc, etc. Plus his comments on Powell being an enemy of the US!

What an absolute thundercunt!