COVID19

[Digby]

I knew there was a push not to have the MMR vaccine and I knew there was a push the vaccine shouldn't be a combined MMR approach. I didn't know there was a vaccine that was designed to protect against the MMR vaccine

It was my poor editing, ironically. Should’ve read:
‘refused to withdraw Wakefield’s anti-MMR vaccine paper’

It wouldn't have surprised me if they'd come up with such in the supposed name of science, and I pay little to no attention to such people so could easily have missed it. I'm as likely to read papers on bible study, or even the bible as read stuff by Wakefield.

[Digby]

a- anyone believe the Chinese stats?
b- societal differences huge
c- we are all guessing

Does anyone believe anyone's stats?

No, ours are also bollocks, so why try and draw a comparison.

On t'wireless earlier it was noted French death stats for the virus only include those who died in an appropriate setting, basically hospital, where they can easily count them. So if you're an old person who died in a residential home who died in the home from the virus you're not included, though they are looking to correct that, not least as that's exactly where lots of old people are dying. If they do correct there could well be a spike in French numbers when in reality nothing has changed

[Banquo]

sorry to spoil the fun

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... SApp_Other

[Sandydragon]

I can only imagine the amusement that generated amongst exhausted Australian medics.

[Puja]

It's the laconic way he's telling the story of how it escalated that's really tickled me. "At that point, I ran out of magnets."

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

Probably just the tip of the iceberg re people inserting objects (or small mammals) in an ill-advised place.

[Mellsblue]

Maybe Gove was right after all
*runs for cover*

[twitchy]

[Sandydragon]

Probably just the tip of the iceberg re people inserting objects (or small mammals) in an ill-advised place.

I wonder how long people have to be isolated before they start looking at the dog in a funny way?

[Donny osmond]

Updated to include yesterday's figures. Big euro countries following almost identical paths, apart from Spain.

Seemingly the figures from Japan aren't all they seem, but wouldn't be able to out any detain on that.

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[Sandydragon]

How much do we trust any of those figures? Unless we are all using the same criteria for assessing cause of death (which apparently isn't the case) then there is potential for significant discrepancies.

However, assuming each country doesn't change the criteria midway then its interesting to see how individuals countries begin to level out as a result of their lockdowns (or alternatives). The biggest surprise for me is that the US isn't doubling quicker.

[morepork]

How much do we trust any of those figures? Unless we are all using the same criteria for assessing cause of death (which apparently isn't the case) then there is potential for significant discrepancies.

However, assuming each country doesn't change the criteria midway then its interesting to see how individuals countries begin to level out as a result of their lockdowns (or alternatives). The biggest surprise for me is that the US isn't doubling quicker.

Give it a week. We are about to get to the fun part of the exponential. Also really should look more closely at epicentres, rather than the 300 000 000 spread out over a big chunk of continent.

[Sandydragon]

How much do we trust any of those figures? Unless we are all using the same criteria for assessing cause of death (which apparently isn't the case) then there is potential for significant discrepancies.

However, assuming each country doesn't change the criteria midway then its interesting to see how individuals countries begin to level out as a result of their lockdowns (or alternatives). The biggest surprise for me is that the US isn't doubling quicker.

Give it a week. We are about to get to the fun part of the exponential. Also really should look more closely at epicentres, rather than the 300 000 000 spread out over a big chunk of continent.

Fair point, the US is still a week or 2 behind other areas. And the mid west is very different to New York.

[Galfon]

from gov.uk:

'Coronavirus: MOTs due from 30 March 2020
Your car, van or motorcycle’s MOT expiry date will be extended by 6 months if it’s due on or after 30 March 2020 - but you must keep your vehicle safe to drive.'

but only from 30 Mar..good luck if yours has expired in the last few days and you need a garridge - small locals are mostly closed, & main dealers are just doing emergency vehicles. ..

[morepork]

Nice reassuring font.

[Galfon]

Nice reassuring font.

my choice not the gov'ners, but thank you.

Meanwhile, more on topic - the first of many across de globe.Little need for expensive grown-up play areas when peeps are dying left, right, centre and everywhere between.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... ll-on-game

[Eugene Wrayburn]

There's not a massive amount of point in comparing raw numbers across countries it seems to me. What you can usefully look at is progression in other countries to predict progression in your own and the effect of certain restrictions. Obviously there are cultural differences and weird outliers - something decidedly weird is going on in Japan's numbers - which will affect all these things. The rate of doubling of deaths is probably the best indicator we have.

Anyway my favourite resource with apologies if it has already been shared is: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus# ... m-covid-19

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Oh and a cheery note. My friends private GP, who knows that she does a bit a sewing, asked her if she could knock up a mask or two and advise the GP how to do some herself. The system is beyond fucked.

[Puja]

Nice reassuring font.

my choice not the gov'ners, but thank you.

Meanwhile, more on topic - the first of many across de globe.Little need for expensive grown-up play areas when peeps are dying left, right, centre and everywhere between.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... ll-on-game

That's USAR using Covid-19 as an excuse to do something that was always coming. They were up to their eyeballs in debt due to mismanagement and utter fecklessness - I'm sure coronavirus didn't help, but they were a basketcase long before any pandemic came along.

Puja

[morepork]

Oh and a cheery note. My friends private GP, who knows that she does a bit a sewing, asked her if she could knock up a mask or two and advise the GP how to do some herself. The system is beyond fucked.

Totally FUBAR man. Stay clean, stay safe.

[canta_brian]

There's not a massive amount of point in comparing raw numbers across countries it seems to me. What you can usefully look at is progression in other countries to predict progression in your own and the effect of certain restrictions. Obviously there are cultural differences and weird outliers - something decidedly weird is going on in Japan's numbers - which will affect all these things. The rate of doubling of deaths is probably the best indicator we have.

Anyway my favourite resource with apologies if it has already been shared is: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus# ... m-covid-19

Reported deaths though. Hang on I will quote the post and bring it forward.

[canta_brian]

"The town of Nembro, near Bergamo, had 158 deaths so far this year Vs 35 on average in the recent past.

Only 31 deaths were attributed to Covid-19"


Of course, some of those will be undiagnosed COVID deaths, and some secondary as equipment and care isn't available for others when capacity is taken up with COVID.

This is the one.

Also
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/ ... 82846.html

[Donny osmond]

"The town of Nembro, near Bergamo, had 158 deaths so far this year Vs 35 on average in the recent past.

Only 31 deaths were attributed to Covid-19"


Of course, some of those will be undiagnosed COVID deaths, and some secondary as equipment and care isn't available for others when capacity is taken up with COVID.

This is the one.

Also
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/ ... 82846.html

In pictorial form

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[canta_brian]

"The town of Nembro, near Bergamo, had 158 deaths so far this year Vs 35 on average in the recent past.

Only 31 deaths were attributed to Covid-19"


Of course, some of those will be undiagnosed COVID deaths, and some secondary as equipment and care isn't available for others when capacity is taken up with COVID.

This is the one.

Also
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/ ... 82846.html

In pictorial form

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That’s what I was trying to do at 4 am! Fail on my part. But I’m symptomatic for the Covid plague (mild only so don’t start a fundraiser) so I’m not all that good at anything right now.

[Stom]

This is the one.

Also
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/ ... 82846.html

In pictorial form

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That’s what I was trying to do at 4 am! Fail on my part. But I’m symptomatic for the Covid plague (mild only so don’t start a fundraiser) so I’m not all that good at anything right now.

That's the thing, I have also been symptomatic, but those symptoms can also be attributed to other things, too.

My wife and I have been offered tests by a client of my wife's, but I'm unsure whether we should take them. On one hand, it would be good to know if we've had it, so are currently immune, but on the other hand, it could potentially be a lot more use to someone else.