COVID19

[Galfon]

Lots of virus strains can cause the common cold, with 'Rhinoviruses' being the most common.
Coronaviruses in humans cause respiratory tract infections that can range from mild to lethal. Mild illnesses include some cases of the common cold (circa 20%), while more lethal varieties can cause SARS, MERS, and COVID-19..

Good general info:
https://www.newscientist.com/term/coronavirus/

I thought SARS/ MERS are still lethal but outbreaks were contained ?..
WHO on SARS:
Most cases of human-to-human transmission occurred in the health care setting, in the absence of adequate infection control precautions. Implementation of appropriate infection control practices brought the global outbreak to an end

Maybe it was lethal if caught, but the virus didn't have the
hook-up protein set to transmit like Covid can.

[Son of Mathonwy]

UK now top of the pile, based on xs deaths over Covid period.The outliar approach at the start has indeed proved costly.
https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c25 ... 8ffde71bf0

Spain revised their numbers and edged ahead of the UK, 921/million for them, 891/million for us. But I'd be surprised if we don't take back the top spot soon (our current rate is 4x Spain's).

The revised article's on the same link.


Meanwhile, on the 7-day rolling average deaths, Sweden has surged into the lead again. Brazil and Peru have also edged ahead of us (they're much lower cumulatively, but are on an upward trajectory unlike most countries).

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?ar ... ues=deaths

[Mellsblue]

Looking long term:
Sweden’s GDP rose by 0.1% in the first quarter of the year while Denmark’s shrank by 2.1%.

I wonder how that 2.2% difference plays out with life expectancy, poverty numbers, social care provision etc etc in the years to come. We’ve been told that such a drop in GDP over years, let alone one quarter, is an absolute disaster. I wonder how this hobbles Norway in comparison to their neighbour in the long term.
Again, I think lockdown is/was the correct decision for the U.K. but devils advocate and all that.

[morepork]

Looking long term:
Sweden’s GDP rose by 0.1% in the first quarter of the year while Denmark’s shrank by 2.1%.

I wonder how that 2.2% difference plays out with life expectancy, poverty numbers, social care provision etc etc in the years to come. We’ve been told that such a drop in GDP over years, let alone one quarter, is an absolute disaster. I wonder how this hobbles Norway in comparison to their neighbour in the long term.
Again, I think lockdown is/was the correct decision for the U.K. but devils advocate and all that.

Sweeden may yet find themselves having to shut down in the near future. Norway and Denmark are allowing travel between each as they get on top of things, but Sweeden will be left out on their own for a while yet. This is a long game.

[cashead]

Meanwhile, just the 1 active case in NZ as of yesterday afternoon, and almost a week of no new cases detected.

[Mellsblue]

Looking long term:
Sweden’s GDP rose by 0.1% in the first quarter of the year while Denmark’s shrank by 2.1%.

I wonder how that 2.2% difference plays out with life expectancy, poverty numbers, social care provision etc etc in the years to come. We’ve been told that such a drop in GDP over years, let alone one quarter, is an absolute disaster. I wonder how this hobbles Norway in comparison to their neighbour in the long term.
Again, I think lockdown is/was the correct decision for the U.K. but devils advocate and all that.

This is a long game.

Exactly what I’ve been saying for weeks, and exactly what I mean by saying ‘Looking long term‘.

[cashead]

I'm sure the 4350 and counting will be absolutely delighted to know that the nation's GDP grew by 1/10 of a percent.

[Mellsblue]

I’m sure the millions still alive will be even more delighted.

[cashead]

I’m sure the millions still alive will be even more delighted.

Hmm, yeah, I wouldn't be so sure about that, when there's a clear generational divide in the response to the handling of the pandemic.

Not to mention significant criticism being caused by the belief that the government put the economy ahead of the citizens.

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus ... oach-13727

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... s-strategy

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel ... 7cef07b6cc

[Mellsblue]

I’m sure the millions still alive will be even more delighted.

Hmm, yeah, I wouldn't be so sure about that, when there's a clear generational divide in the response to the handling of the pandemic.

Not to mention significant criticism being caused by the belief that the government put the economy ahead of the citizens.

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus ... oach-13727

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... s-strategy

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel ... 7cef07b6cc

Divisions and criticism, who’d have thought it in the era of consensus.
Again, again, I think lockdown was the correct decision but it’s not black and white and it’s not all about how many people die in the first two months.
Lockdown has caused irreparable harm to the education of millions of youngsters (as a teacher I’m sure you know the research on how much a day/week, let alone months, of missed education affects future prospects) and set back the careers and earnings of an entire generation. Yet, even a sh*tc*nt like me thinks lockdown was the correct move.

[cashead]

Divisions and criticism, who’d have thought it in the era of consensus.

Funny, I thought they were all supposed to be celebrating the all-conquering Swedish economy and its .1% increase in GDP.

Pictured: Stockholm IRL, right now

Again, again, I think lockdown was the correct decision but it’s not black and white and it’s not all about how many people die in the first two months.

No, it's about how effective and decisive leadership is, and how effectively the chains of transmissions are severed, up to, and including using a lockdown.

Lockdown has caused irreparable harm to the education of millions of youngsters (as a teacher I’m sure you know the research on how much a day/week, let alone months, of missed education affects future prospects) and set back the careers and earnings of an entire generation.

You do realise there were ways of working with the students without relying on face-to-face interaction? My Y10 programme has had to be completely restructured, but it comes down to how effective the educational system is in adapting to an evolving situation, and once again, how effectively the pandemic is handled, in order to minimise the disruption caused. We got out of lockdown in 7 weeks, 2 of which were the school holidays including Easter anyway. Because, you know, immediate and decisive action was taken.

Yet, even a sh*tc*nt like me thinks lockdown was the correct move.

Could've fooled me, what with your Sandy Hook truther-level "just askin' questions" bullshit.

Also, lol, are you still upset about being called a shitcunt? Get over it, you fucking crybaby.

[Digby]

There do seem to be a number ignoring, for whatever reason, that even small % drops in the economy amongst other things spit out higher numbers of abuse across the board, higher rates of depression, higher rates of families losing their home, higher rates of suicide, and the influence that has is generational. Which I think is rather the point Mells was making, nor as per Mells is it to say Sweden has this right on the lockdown, nor even in the longer term on the economic front, we just don't know.

And whatever the right or more likely least worst decision that can be made is why on earth would we not want counter points to be made, addressing questions that challenge our positions is a healthy thing for anyone that's not a fundy

[Galfon]

Meanwhile, on the 7-day rolling average deaths, Sweden has surged into the lead again. Brazil and Peru have also edged ahead of us (they're much lower cumulatively, but are on an upward trajectory unlike most countries).

as much as it appears to drag in the UK, at least it's (overall) in the right diection.
Looking at the death chart:
-Still climbing steeply: Bra, Mex, Chil, Rus, Indi, Peru
-Steady upward trend: Indo, Egy, Pak, Col
-Worryingly on the up: SA, Phil, Alg, Sudan
-Notable spike: Austria, Hun
Some big populations are lurching towards the house of pain.

[Stom]

Meanwhile, on the 7-day rolling average deaths, Sweden has surged into the lead again. Brazil and Peru have also edged ahead of us (they're much lower cumulatively, but are on an upward trajectory unlike most countries).

as much as it appears to drag in the UK, at least it's (overall) in the right diection.
Looking at the death chart:
-Still climbing steeply: Bra, Mex, Chil, Rus, Indi, Peru
-Steady upward trend: Indo, Egy, Pak, Col
-Worryingly on the up: SA, Phil, Alg, Sudan
-Notable spike: Austria, Hun
Some big populations are lurching towards the house of pain.

Notable spike? What notable spike?

[morepork]

Brazil has fucked much of Latin and Central America thanks to their thundercunt of a leader. Leadership matters in times of crisis, and by fuck there will be some unassailable data to provide a metric for effective leadership when all is said and done.

[Mellsblue]

There do seem to be a number ignoring, for whatever reason, that even small % drops in the economy amongst other things spit out higher numbers of abuse across the board, higher rates of depression, higher rates of families losing their home, higher rates of suicide, and the influence that has is generational. Which I think is rather the point Mells was making, nor as per Mells is it to say Sweden has this right on the lockdown, nor even in the longer term on the economic front, we just don't know.

And whatever the right or more likely least worst decision that can be made is why on earth would we not want counter points to be made, addressing questions that challenge our positions is a healthy thing for anyone that's not a fundy

This.

[Digby]

Brazil has fucked much of Latin and Central America thanks to their thundercunt of a leader. Leadership matters in times of crisis, and by fuck there will be some unassailable data to provide a metric for effective leadership when all is said and done.

Bless your cottons

[cashead]

There do seem to be a number ignoring, for whatever reason, that even small % drops in the economy amongst other things spit out higher numbers of abuse across the board, higher rates of depression, higher rates of families losing their home, higher rates of suicide, and the influence that has is generational. Which I think is rather the point Mells was making, nor as per Mells is it to say Sweden has this right on the lockdown, nor even in the longer term on the economic front, we just don't know.

And whatever the right or more likely least worst decision that can be made is why on earth would we not want counter points to be made, addressing questions that challenge our positions is a healthy thing for anyone that's not a fundy

This.

Pretty rich coming from you, bud.

Brazil has fucked much of Latin and Central America thanks to their thundercunt of a leader. Leadership matters in times of crisis, and by fuck there will be some unassailable data to provide a metric for effective leadership when all is said and done.

Bless your cottons

There is a common language with countries that have bungled their response such as "herd immunity" or some variation chief among them, "schools!" and talk of how young people are fine - even though roughly 1 in 5 end up hospitalised (the last new case in NZ was a toddler, after all).

[cashead]

Brazil has fucked much of Latin and Central America

What else is new?

[Digby]

There do seem to be a number ignoring, for whatever reason, that even small % drops in the economy amongst other things spit out higher numbers of abuse across the board, higher rates of depression, higher rates of families losing their home, higher rates of suicide, and the influence that has is generational. Which I think is rather the point Mells was making, nor as per Mells is it to say Sweden has this right on the lockdown, nor even in the longer term on the economic front, we just don't know.

And whatever the right or more likely least worst decision that can be made is why on earth would we not want counter points to be made, addressing questions that challenge our positions is a healthy thing for anyone that's not a fundy

This.

Pretty rich coming from you, bud.

Brazil has fucked much of Latin and Central America thanks to their thundercunt of a leader. Leadership matters in times of crisis, and by fuck there will be some unassailable data to provide a metric for effective leadership when all is said and done.

Bless your cottons

There is a common language with countries that have bungled their response such as "herd immunity" or some variation chief among them, "schools!" and talk of how young people are fine - even though roughly 1 in 5 end up hospitalised (the last new case in NZ was a toddler, after all).

You were seemingly just laughing at Fox New reporters being crowded by protesters, and now you want to judge the actions of others as being unhelpful in an age of Covid. If you want to make a point at least manage to agree with yourself first.

[Galfon]

Nasal hygiene - it may save your life

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w

(keeping ur hooter moist in autumn/winter was always good for keeping colds at bay, innit. )

[Galfon]

Notable spike: Austria, Hun
What notable spike?

Ok, leave 'Spike' for Aut, change it to 'Bump' for Hun..

Reading off FT Covid trajectory chart:
Austria peaked at 20 at d20, then steady decline to 1 at d60.. risen back to 5 at d66.

Hun peaked at 12 also d20, steady decline to 3 at d50 then double this d55. (7 day rolling average)

Very low numbers compared to other countries in the mincer, and the graph is logarithmic to best reflect disease pick-up in pandemic.
Could be a lag, and cases (new/admitted) are healthier; just noticable in backdrop of others going towards nil.
I think your safe.

[cashead]

You were seemingly just laughing at Fox New reporters being crowded by protesters, and now you want to judge the actions of others as being unhelpful in an age of Covid. If you want to make a point at least manage to agree with yourself first.

Hm, yes, nothing to do with Mellsblue's craven hypocrisy when he does this shit:

There do seem to be a number ignoring, for whatever reason, that even small % drops in the economy amongst other things spit out higher numbers of abuse across the board, higher rates of depression, higher rates of families losing their home, higher rates of suicide, and the influence that has is generational. Which I think is rather the point Mells was making, nor as per Mells is it to say Sweden has this right on the lockdown, nor even in the longer term on the economic front, we just don't know.

And whatever the right or more likely least worst decision that can be made is why on earth would we not want counter points to be made, addressing questions that challenge our positions is a healthy thing for anyone that's not a fundy

This.

after doing exactly what you were criticising just a few pages ago?

[cashead]

Meanwhile, on the 7-day rolling average deaths, Sweden has surged into the lead again. Brazil and Peru have also edged ahead of us (they're much lower cumulatively, but are on an upward trajectory unlike most countries).

as much as it appears to drag in the UK, at least it's (overall) in the right diection.
Looking at the death chart:
-Still climbing steeply: Bra, Mex, Chil, Rus, Indi, Peru
-Steady upward trend: Indo, Egy, Pak, Col
-Worryingly on the up: SA, Phil, Alg, Sudan
-Notable spike: Austria, Hun
Some big populations are lurching towards the house of pain.

Notable spike? What notable spike?

Both Austria and Hungary had significant spikes earlier, but their curves appear to have flattened out since.

[Stom]

Notable spike: Austria, Hun
What notable spike?

Ok, leave 'Spike' for Aut, change it to 'Bump' for Hun..

Reading off FT Covid trajectory chart:
Austria peaked at 20 at d20, then steady decline to 1 at d60.. risen back to 5 at d66.

Hun peaked at 12 also d20, steady decline to 3 at d50 then double this d55. (7 day rolling average)

Very low numbers compared to other countries in the mincer, and the graph is logarithmic to best reflect disease pick-up in pandemic.
Could be a lag, and cases (new/admitted) are healthier; just noticable in backdrop of others going towards nil.
I think your safe.

Yeah, when doubling means it stays single figures, that’s within standard deviation. Was out and about recently in a place pretty much untouched.