The thing is Broad is kind of right in what he is saying, he had a pretty poor 2017, but since then averaging 25.27 across his last 26 tests including 1/171 in 2 tests in Sri Lanka and Oz.Galfon wrote:Something fired him oop....
The Chase is on (different this time). Looks good for JR at this juncture.
Holding was always staggered we didn't pick Finn whenever we could.Big D wrote:Interesting to see Michael Holding saying he'd pick Broad every time, including over Anderson.Banquo wrote:Broad in one of those moods, good stuff.
Broad also made a fair point last night. He is 4 years younger than Jimmy, Jimmy has 130+ wickets since he was Broads age. It would be a mistake to write him off prematurely.
Think Broad has the best stats of any England bowler in the last 12 months.Big D wrote:The thing is Broad is kind of right in what he is saying, he had a pretty poor 2017, but since then averaging 25.27 across his last 26 tests including 0/171 in 2 tests in Sri Lanka and Oz.Galfon wrote:Something fired him oop....
The Chase is on (different this time). Looks good for JR at this juncture.
England have a lot of variety in their options. Like discussed earlier, finding the right combination isn't going to be easy.
I think Ollie Pope can keep and get an extra bowler in
Yeah that is partly why I am a Foakes guy (of the current options) to be honest. His batting isn't incredible but I think he'd be more consistent in the long run.Banquo wrote: I know you are joking on Pope, but keeping pretty much automatically diminishes batting averages for batsman- keepers (rather than keeper-batsmen, if that makes sense). Gilchrist and possibly Flower are exceptions.
You get the feeling it'd be a good tactic to drop and rubbish Broad for the first test of an Ashes series and then recall him for the second Test.Banquo wrote:Broad in one of those moods, good stuff.
Butler does look stilted behind the stumps, not much anticipation and not great footwork, but Prior had some of those issues and he improved hugelyBig D wrote:Yeah that is partly why I am a Foakes guy (of the current options) to be honest. His batting isn't incredible but I think he'd be more consistent in the long run.Banquo wrote: I know you are joking on Pope, but keeping pretty much automatically diminishes batting averages for batsman- keepers (rather than keeper-batsmen, if that makes sense). Gilchrist and possibly Flower are exceptions.
Indeed. May well fall short. Windies may even have a pop.Digby wrote:No support for Broad and Woakes so far
Fortunately Stokes is still with us.....Puja wrote:Curran deciding this moment is best to have a quiet day, after I promoted his cause so heavily. Sorry guys, this appears to be my fault!
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Bess will be dropped, 1-100+ on a wicket that's turning isn't going to convince anyone, okay it's slow turn but the length just isn't controlled enough. In other circumstances we might have picked 2 spinners for the last game but with Archer, Anderson and Wood to come back I doubt they'll worry about the seamers needing protection. The bigger concern for me might be do we try to leave a spinner out altogether, even at OT, and even with the next pitch looking a tad yellow. Leach will be back in is my assumption for nowBanquo wrote:Indeed. May well fall short. Windies may even have a pop.Digby wrote:No support for Broad and Woakes so far
Perhaps, I’d keep broad and bring back Anderson and Wood. Or maybe ArcherDigby wrote:Bess will be dropped, 1-100+ on a wicket that's turning isn't going to convince anyone, okay it's slow turn but the length just isn't controlled enough. In other circumstances we might have picked 2 spinners for the last game but with Archer, Anderson and Wood to come back I doubt they'll worry about the seamers needing protection. The bigger concern for me might be do we try to leave a spinner out altogether, even at OT, and even with the next pitch looking a tad yellow. Leach will be back in is my assumption for nowBanquo wrote:Indeed. May well fall short. Windies may even have a pop.Digby wrote:No support for Broad and Woakes so far
If you want all 4 you're probably not picking a spinner, which isn't what I'd do at OT. Actually I'd always try and have a serious spin option whatever the ground, but still more so at OT. If not you're probably picking between Archer and Wood. Stokes being able to bowl will also be looked at one assumesStom wrote:Perhaps, I’d keep broad and bring back Anderson and Wood. Or maybe ArcherDigby wrote:Bess will be dropped, 1-100+ on a wicket that's turning isn't going to convince anyone, okay it's slow turn but the length just isn't controlled enough. In other circumstances we might have picked 2 spinners for the last game but with Archer, Anderson and Wood to come back I doubt they'll worry about the seamers needing protection. The bigger concern for me might be do we try to leave a spinner out altogether, even at OT, and even with the next pitch looking a tad yellow. Leach will be back in is my assumption for nowBanquo wrote: Indeed. May well fall short. Windies may even have a pop.
Bowled a great little spell at the end- dip, turn and drift. The point was well made that he'd been bowling the wrong end all this match. Good fieldsman and bat- I wouldn't be so impatient, given the rotating spinners door....its his 6th test, which is nothing given the leeway batsmen get; he's only played 42 f/c games full stop, so steep learning curve.Digby wrote:Bess will be dropped, 1-100+ on a wicket that's turning isn't going to convince anyone, okay it's slow turn but the length just isn't controlled enough. In other circumstances we might have picked 2 spinners for the last game but with Archer, Anderson and Wood to come back I doubt they'll worry about the seamers needing protection. The bigger concern for me might be do we try to leave a spinner out altogether, even at OT, and even with the next pitch looking a tad yellow. Leach will be back in is my assumption for nowBanquo wrote:Indeed. May well fall short. Windies may even have a pop.Digby wrote:No support for Broad and Woakes so far
Archer has to be back- well in front of Wood, much as I like Wood.Stom wrote:Perhaps, I’d keep broad and bring back Anderson and Wood. Or maybe ArcherDigby wrote:Bess will be dropped, 1-100+ on a wicket that's turning isn't going to convince anyone, okay it's slow turn but the length just isn't controlled enough. In other circumstances we might have picked 2 spinners for the last game but with Archer, Anderson and Wood to come back I doubt they'll worry about the seamers needing protection. The bigger concern for me might be do we try to leave a spinner out altogether, even at OT, and even with the next pitch looking a tad yellow. Leach will be back in is my assumption for nowBanquo wrote: Indeed. May well fall short. Windies may even have a pop.
Bess will be kept in. He is a young spinner learning as he goes averaging just over 31/32. Getting him continued gametime when he almost certainly will be needed in UAE/India is important IMO.Digby wrote:Bess will be dropped, 1-100+ on a wicket that's turning isn't going to convince anyone, okay it's slow turn but the length just isn't controlled enough. In other circumstances we might have picked 2 spinners for the last game but with Archer, Anderson and Wood to come back I doubt they'll worry about the seamers needing protection. The bigger concern for me might be do we try to leave a spinner out altogether, even at OT, and even with the next pitch looking a tad yellow. Leach will be back in is my assumption for nowBanquo wrote:Indeed. May well fall short. Windies may even have a pop.Digby wrote:No support for Broad and Woakes so far
I think you have to bring back Anderson for Woakes (unless there are any doubts about his fitness). Woakes got a few good wickets this game, but he's not in the same class as Jimmy as a regular wicket taking threat. I'd probably have Archer ahead of Woakes as well, as the project with the greater long-term ceiling.Big D wrote:Bess will be kept in. He is a young spinner learning as he goes averaging just over 31/32. Getting him continued gametime when he almost certainly will be needed in UAE/India is important IMO.Digby wrote:Bess will be dropped, 1-100+ on a wicket that's turning isn't going to convince anyone, okay it's slow turn but the length just isn't controlled enough. In other circumstances we might have picked 2 spinners for the last game but with Archer, Anderson and Wood to come back I doubt they'll worry about the seamers needing protection. The bigger concern for me might be do we try to leave a spinner out altogether, even at OT, and even with the next pitch looking a tad yellow. Leach will be back in is my assumption for nowBanquo wrote: Indeed. May well fall short. Windies may even have a pop.
I am not sure England should change that bowling line up at all. Good all round bowling performance. Opening pair taking wickets, 1st and 2nd change bowlers taking wickets and spinner nipping out tail enders.
Maybe one of Jimmy or Archer for Curran but the left hander is a nice difference.
If Stokes is struggling to bowl then Wood can't play. He is a walking injury risk.
Anderson remains the best of the bunch imo, certainly 1st innings.Big D wrote:Bess will be kept in. He is a young spinner learning as he goes averaging just over 31/32. Getting him continued gametime when he almost certainly will be needed in UAE/India is important IMO.Digby wrote:Bess will be dropped, 1-100+ on a wicket that's turning isn't going to convince anyone, okay it's slow turn but the length just isn't controlled enough. In other circumstances we might have picked 2 spinners for the last game but with Archer, Anderson and Wood to come back I doubt they'll worry about the seamers needing protection. The bigger concern for me might be do we try to leave a spinner out altogether, even at OT, and even with the next pitch looking a tad yellow. Leach will be back in is my assumption for nowBanquo wrote: Indeed. May well fall short. Windies may even have a pop.
I am not sure England should change that bowling line up at all. Good all round bowling performance. Opening pair taking wickets, 1st and 2nd change bowlers taking wickets and spinner nipping out tail enders.
Maybe one of Jimmy or Archer for Curran but the left hander is a nice difference.
If Stokes is struggling to bowl then Wood can't play. He is a walking injury risk.
Over their career he isn't in Andersons class. There is definitely a case to be made for keeping the same bowling line up. It is yet to be seen whether Anderson at 38 is the same as he was two summers ago. Woakes in English conditions contributes fairly regularly and averages 23 with the ball over a decent sample size.Puja wrote:I think you have to bring back Anderson for Woakes (unless there are any doubts about his fitness). Woakes got a few good wickets this game, but he's not in the same class as Jimmy as a regular wicket taking threat. I'd probably have Archer ahead of Woakes as well, as the project with the greater long-term ceiling.Big D wrote:Bess will be kept in. He is a young spinner learning as he goes averaging just over 31/32. Getting him continued gametime when he almost certainly will be needed in UAE/India is important IMO.Digby wrote:
Bess will be dropped, 1-100+ on a wicket that's turning isn't going to convince anyone, okay it's slow turn but the length just isn't controlled enough. In other circumstances we might have picked 2 spinners for the last game but with Archer, Anderson and Wood to come back I doubt they'll worry about the seamers needing protection. The bigger concern for me might be do we try to leave a spinner out altogether, even at OT, and even with the next pitch looking a tad yellow. Leach will be back in is my assumption for now
I am not sure England should change that bowling line up at all. Good all round bowling performance. Opening pair taking wickets, 1st and 2nd change bowlers taking wickets and spinner nipping out tail enders.
Maybe one of Jimmy or Archer for Curran but the left hander is a nice difference.
If Stokes is struggling to bowl then Wood can't play. He is a walking injury risk.
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you went a bit early with asserting he'd be dropped perchance?Digby wrote:I do like Bess kept coming back for more, and kept trying to get the ball up to challenge the batsmen. With something on the line in just a few days, with Leach not having played yet and Bess not able to control length so far, and with a number of RHB in the Windies side I think they will make a change, and I probably just about think that's the right call, but it wouldn't upset me is Bess stays in, only no spinner (bar Root) would annoy me
I still think he will be dropped, and should be. But I did like watching a young player get stuck in even if his technical skills weren't quite there, reminiscent of a young Owen Farrell perhapsBanquo wrote:you went a bit early with asserting he'd be dropped perchance?Digby wrote:I do like Bess kept coming back for more, and kept trying to get the ball up to challenge the batsmen. With something on the line in just a few days, with Leach not having played yet and Bess not able to control length so far, and with a number of RHB in the Windies side I think they will make a change, and I probably just about think that's the right call, but it wouldn't upset me is Bess stays in, only no spinner (bar Root) would annoy me
