Does anything else really matter?

[canta_brian]

A small tornado just belted the area next to where I work.

Fuck you climate change.

Ah, but are tornadoes due to climate change? Also, where do they go when they reach and fall off the edge of the earth?

[Digby]

Speaking from near total ignorance they're more likely due to global warming I'm assuming

[Donny osmond]

It may be that the air pollution case against fossil fuel use is actually (still) a better case than the unfurling climate catastrophe.

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environm ... ina-deaths

"Air pollution is much worse than we thought
Ditching fossil fuels would pay for itself through clean air alone."

[morepork]

It may be that the air pollution case against fossil fuel use is actually (still) a better case than the unfurling climate catastrophe.

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environm ... ina-deaths

"Air pollution is much worse than we thought
Ditching fossil fuels would pay for itself through clean air alone."

The two issues are hardly unrelated. What is the advantage of fashioning a narrative to avoid inclusion of both in a discussion of the long term consequences of current practice?

[Galfon]

Speaking from near total ignorance they're more likely due to global warming I'm assuming

Apparently they are most common in tropical areas, so as this descriptive gets applied to areas further from the equator due to
things getting less cool, we can expect more big spouts, more often....but not here just yet (though there was a nasty one in the Moseley area a decade or so ago )

[Numbers]

Speaking from near total ignorance they're more likely due to global warming I'm assuming

Apparently they are most common in tropical areas, so as this descriptive gets applied to areas further from the equator due to
things getting less cool, we can expect more big spouts, more often....but not here just yet (though there was a nasty one in the Moseley area a decade or so ago )

They only occur in tropical or sub-tropical waters as I understand it so the sea temperature would be the deciding factor.

[Digby]

Speaking from near total ignorance they're more likely due to global warming I'm assuming

Apparently they are most common in tropical areas, so as this descriptive gets applied to areas further from the equator due to
things getting less cool, we can expect more big spouts, more often....but not here just yet (though there was a nasty one in the Moseley area a decade or so ago )

They only occur in tropical or sub-tropical waters as I understand it so the sea temperature would be the deciding factor.

I thought it was just a cold front catching a warm front and then the warm air rising which sometimes creates the vertical cycling of air. Though I should clarify my original line of thinking that more energy in the atmosphere means more tornadoes to more energy means more tornadoes we'd pay attention to, whether it actually means more tornadoes I don't know, you can have a tornado in the UK, probably dozens of them every year but normally at most a few leaves get blown around

[Galfon]

They only occur in tropical or sub-tropical waters as I understand it so the sea temperature would be the deciding factor.

Could be mixed Met.'fers here..this I think is true for hurricanes/typhoons, you can get landspouts like in 'Tornado alley' in US., if conditions are right ( i.e. cloud formation, temperature gradients) where those crazy tornado chasers get their kicks.

[Donny osmond]

I thought the UK was secretly a tornado hotspot, just they're currently small and weak but are expected to get more powerful as the climate changes?

Usual caveats**

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[Donny osmond]

The effects of climate change right in front of us, if only we'd care to look

"Scientists suspect that some of the slumping may be giving new life to pathogens capable of killing muskoxen, caribou, and nesting birds as warmer temperatures nudge the pathogens out of their dormant state. Massive die-offs of muskoxen on Banks and Victoria islands in Canada, as well as reindeer in Siberia, appear to be related to once-dormant pathogens that are coming back to life."

https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-melt ... the-arctic

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[Galfon]

Toasty.. !!
wonder how this place got it's name..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53788018

what they'd give for one of these eh ( portishead waterspoot, sun)

[Mikey Brown]

Is this understood to be attributed to climate change or is there more going on here? Obviously that area has been prone to wildfires, but I'm not sure the extent.



It feels like it's taking a lot of people seeing these apocalyptic looking orange/red skies in urban/built-up areas to really question it.

[Numbers]

I watched A Gathering Storm on National Geographic quite recently, it's all about hurricanes and typhoons, well worth a watch, 6 parter.

[morepork]

I watched A Gathering Storm on National Geographic quite recently, it's all about hurricanes and typhoons, well worth a watch, 6 parter.

Is it narrated for dramatic effect, with an inappropriately overbearing score and lots of exited people going "Oh my Gawd!!"?

[Donny osmond]

“Human population density, as a single predictor, explained mammalian extinction patterns with 96 per cent accuracy.”



https://nenow.in/top-news/mammals-under ... ssion=true



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[Donny osmond]

The historic wildfires that have seized the west are delivering a dire message: the climate crisis and decades of bad environmental policies have unleashed deadly consequences"

https://t.co/4MM6kjMt8m?amp=1



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[Donny osmond]

The Atlantic Ocean contains at least 10 times more plastic than previously thought.

https://www.nationofchange.org/2020/08/ ... estimated/

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[Donny osmond]

California’s wildfire smoke plumes are unlike anything previously seen

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/ ... vCwyhW2Gah

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[Donny osmond]

60% of fish species could be unable to survive in current areas by 2100 – study

Warming water temperatures lower water oxygen levels, putting embryos and pregnant fish at risk, researchers say

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... dApp_Other

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[Donny osmond]

COMMERCIAL FISHING, CLIMATE CHANGE, POLLUTION THREATEN MORE THAN HALF OF THE WORLD’S WHALE, DOLPHIN, AND PORPOISES 

In an open letter to global leaders, more than 300 cetacean experts warn of the imminent risk of extinction to these intelligent species. 

https://vegnews.com/2020/9/commercial-f ... -porpoises

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[Which Tyler]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54118769

[Donny osmond]

Disposable masks causing enormous plastic waste.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-polit ... ssion=true

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[Mikey Brown]

This is 6 years old now but I really wasn’t aware people did this sort of thing.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... rucks.html

[Galfon]

No corner escapes...looking more likely we'll get there before the asteroid..

[morepork]

This is 6 years old now but I really wasn’t aware people did this sort of thing.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... rucks.html

Way to melt your pistons and valves Cletus. I have seen one of these across about 15 States in the last 6 years, and I guarantee that motherfucker now owns a seized diesel truck. It’s a very apt metaphor for anti-climate change policy directives.