Moderator: Puja
Will we need one? With Ludlam, Willis, and Underhill already on tour, surely any replacement would just be holding tackle bags?Shiny wrote:Any guesses on who Eddie will pick as a replacement (someone who can cover 8 hopefully).fivepointer wrote:Tom Curry will play no further part in England’s tour Down Under after sustaining a concussion.
He will fly home this week.
Yup.FKAS wrote:Seems to be a problem prevailant in rugby. Not the only case this weekend.
I was of the opinion that his head connected pretty solidly with Kerevi's forearm, but I've only watched it once live when they showed the slow motion replay. Anyone know what time in the match it was?Mellsblue wrote:I’ve a bit of sympathy for the medics over Curry. Iirc, there was no contact with the head but, rather, just the head knocked back by the force of the impact on the torso. He didn’t hit the floor and didn’t really show an signs of being impaired (he was probably the best player in the first half… which says slot about the other 14), in fact, the commentators made a point of how well he rode the hit and completed the tackle.
If that is the case then I retract everything I said.Puja wrote:I was of the opinion that his head connected pretty solidly with Kerevi's forearm, but I've only watched it once live when they showed the slow motion replay. Anyone know what time in the match it was?Mellsblue wrote:I’ve a bit of sympathy for the medics over Curry. Iirc, there was no contact with the head but, rather, just the head knocked back by the force of the impact on the torso. He didn’t hit the floor and didn’t really show an signs of being impaired (he was probably the best player in the first half… which says slot about the other 14), in fact, the commentators made a point of how well he rode the hit and completed the tackle.
Puja
True, but we know Eddie likes an apprentice.Puja wrote:Will we need one? With Ludlam, Willis, and Underhill already on tour, surely any replacement would just be holding tackle bags?Shiny wrote:Any guesses on who Eddie will pick as a replacement (someone who can cover 8 hopefully).fivepointer wrote:Tom Curry will play no further part in England’s tour Down Under after sustaining a concussion.
He will fly home this week.
Puja
How about neither?Oakboy wrote:Arundell for Coka from the start seems a worthwhile risk. It should always have been Coka OR Nowell, IMO, not both.
Arguably. I rate Nowell, though.Spiffy wrote:How about neither?Oakboy wrote:Arundell for Coka from the start seems a worthwhile risk. It should always have been Coka OR Nowell, IMO, not both.
Nowell was second highest tackler I think, 11 tackles. Second most metres made. According to ESPN stats.Oakboy wrote:Arguably. I rate Nowell, though.Spiffy wrote:How about neither?Oakboy wrote:Arundell for Coka from the start seems a worthwhile risk. It should always have been Coka OR Nowell, IMO, not both.
Surely the only reasonable measure of whether selection is right or not is the result?Oakboy wrote:No thread for the 2nd test yet - seems ominous. It's as if there is little to debate until Jones gets selection wrong again.
Similar in DT. I really hope we can pull it off. I do not want the Aussies crowing at 2-0. They might field a fresh team in the 3rd like SA are doing (almost - 14/15) v Wales. That would be so embarrassing.Mellsblue wrote:Times saying that Underhill will be no7 and there’s a chance Arundell might start with May being unavailable and Jones wanting more pace.
You are ignoring the 'told you so' gloating afterwards for those who say the selection is wrong before the match!Scrumhead wrote:Surely the only reasonable measure of whether selection is right or not is the result?Oakboy wrote:No thread for the 2nd test yet - seems ominous. It's as if there is little to debate until Jones gets selection wrong again.
Even then, you might argue that a coach can pick the best 23 available and still be beaten by a better team.
That's the second test, odd call tbh.Oakboy wrote:Similar in DT. I really hope we can pull it off. I do not want the Aussies crowing at 2-0. They might field a fresh team in the 3rd like SA are doing (almost - 14/15) v Wales. That would be so embarrassing.Mellsblue wrote:Times saying that Underhill will be no7 and there’s a chance Arundell might start with May being unavailable and Jones wanting more pace.
Their front five is theoretically well behind ours in experience; Hooper is quality, Leota has 3 caps, Valetini 19. White is ok, 10 been very inconsistent (and replaced cooper at the last minute) Kerevi is good, Ikitau good but again not many caps, Koroibete is quality, Kelleway newish, Tom Banks similar.Mikey Brown wrote:Lots of people (not necessarily on here) seem to think this Aus side are rubbish and I’m not clear why. Sure they’ve generally been a bit shit the last few years but it looks like Rennie’s team is starting to take shape.
They’re patchy, both in performance and personnel, but I don’t view them as much different to England on either level.
Wouldn't mind seeing James O'Connor play 10 for Oz. He has had a couple of very good seasons for the Reds and has developed into a crafty old-head fly half who knows how to run a game. I've always regarded him as an outstanding footballer who would have been one of the all-time Oz greats if he hadn't let his career run off the rails at an early stage. Seems a long time since he was scoring tries and kicking goals for Oz at age 18.Banquo wrote:Their front five is theoretically well behind ours in experience; Hooper is quality, Leota has 3 caps, Valetini 19. White is ok, 10 been very inconsistent (and replaced cooper at the last minute) Kerevi is good, Ikitau good but again not many caps, Koroibete is quality, Kelleway newish, Tom Banks similar.Mikey Brown wrote:Lots of people (not necessarily on here) seem to think this Aus side are rubbish and I’m not clear why. Sure they’ve generally been a bit shit the last few years but it looks like Rennie’s team is starting to take shape.
They’re patchy, both in performance and personnel, but I don’t view them as much different to England on either level.
They are pretty raw compared to us, frankly; we have quite a bit more proven international class. Rennie has done pretty well with what he has, some good young uns (Bell), some top grade vets (Hooper, Kerevi, Koroibete) and some later career Super rugby guys.
The short answer is no. Broadly I agree with you, although I think 8/10 may be a touch over egging it.Oakboy wrote:You are ignoring the 'told you so' gloating afterwards for those who say the selection is wrong before the match!Scrumhead wrote:Surely the only reasonable measure of whether selection is right or not is the result?Oakboy wrote:No thread for the 2nd test yet - seems ominous. It's as if there is little to debate until Jones gets selection wrong again.
Even then, you might argue that a coach can pick the best 23 available and still be beaten by a better team.
Your first sentence is spot on, of course. As for the second sentence, do you believe that is/was the case v Australia - that their 'best possible' is better than ours? I see that Australia XXIII and think our best XXIII from the tour squad should win 8/10. They are not particularly good, IMO.
It should be, he was knocked out. Absolutely no reason to risk him next weekend irrelevant of what game it is. He should probably stay in camp so the medics can keep an eye on him, he might be able to offer some mentoring to the other locks if he feels up to it.Mr Mwenda wrote:The guardian reports Itoje's tour is over.