Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:27 pm
Lol. Wow.
I don't know if there was more of it, but yeah that was worth watching.
I'm not sure I'm so concerned about the finances of the poor innocent Tory MPs facing the prospect of golden adjustment payments followed by using their myriad contacts to find a high-paying job, luxuries which most of the people they've fucked over didn't have, but it's a powerful speech nonetheless.
Nadine Dorries has chipped in, telling him it's his own fault for having removed the election-winning powerhouse that is Boris Johnson. She really is incredible, isn't she?
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
The tribulations of both parties in recent times has shown clearly that when the membership is at odds with the parliamentary party, at some point reality starts kicking in and the parliamentary party wins over the members.
Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:27 pm
Lol. Wow.
I don't know if there was more of it, but yeah that was worth watching.
I'm not sure I'm so concerned about the finances of the poor innocent Tory MPs facing the prospect of golden adjustment payments followed by using their myriad contacts to find a high-paying job, luxuries which most of the people they've fucked over didn't have, but it's a powerful speech nonetheless.
Nadine Dorries has chipped in, telling him it's his own fault for having removed the election-winning powerhouse that is Boris Johnson. She really is incredible, isn't she?
Puja
That wasn't the key bit for me- though ironic given the discussion about how to get better MPs before.
Zhivago wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:41 am
The tribulations of both parties in recent times has shown clearly that when the membership is at odds with the parliamentary party, at some point reality starts kicking in and the parliamentary party wins over the members.
Donny osmond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 5:34 am
Is anyone else really enjoying this?
In abstract, but then you think about the mess that a lot of people are in and how can we get out of a really bad economic spiral- even competent govt would struggle, but we have this.
Donny osmond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 5:34 am
Is anyone else really enjoying this?
In abstract, but then you think about the mess that a lot of people are in and how can we get out of a really bad economic spiral- even competent govt would struggle, but we have this.
Exactly the ambivalence that I'm having - part of me is finding this highly entertaining watching the Conservatives imminently facing consequences after 12 years of fucking the country and laughing at them digging their hole deeper, while another part of me is aware that they haven't finished being in charge yet and the hole they're digging it undermining everything in the country.
More playground than a playground..just the tip of the iceberg tbf.
They need a unifier - Hunt not standing.
Sunak not very popular but up for it, as is Mordaunt.
To be sorted in a week by MP's.
Banquo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:18 pmBeen debated hasn't it? Still don't think a GE can be forced unless I've missed summat.
It has, but it's about the only way of registering our opinion, now that demonstrations are illegal
And no, only Tory MPs can force a GE; but again, this is about our only avenue to show our opinion - and the larger it gets, the harder it is to ignore.
Banquo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:18 pmBeen debated hasn't it? Still don't think a GE can be forced unless I've missed summat.
It has, but it's about the only way of registering our opinion, now that demonstrations are illegal
And no, only Tory MPs can force a GE; but again, this is about our only avenue to show our opinion - and the larger it gets, the harder it is to ignore.
ah ok. Thought there might be something more to it.
Puja wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:47 pm
So far, the only people who have put their names forward for the contest are Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch.
I want Liz Truss back.
Puja
Kemi outlasted Suella in the last contest - presumably this will happen again?
Of course - without Truss - these two might be the only far right candidates, so they might get quite a few more votes. Unless the MPs have realized that economic extremism is not a winner at the moment.
