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morepork wrote:or the calming crackle of someone drawing on a crack pipe behind a dumpster.
You old romantic you. (or should that be ewe?)
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canta_brian wrote:
morepork wrote:or the calming crackle of someone drawing on a crack pipe behind a dumpster.
You old romantic you. (or should that be ewe?)

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Election Justice USA finds that Bernie Sanders lost an estimated 184 delegates to Election Fraud

A. CONCLUSIONS
We have aimed to provide an overview of the evidence for various types of fraud and targeted voter suppression impacting the outcomes of the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries. After covering the legal background and the history of Election Justice USA’s legal actions, our best efforts to combat election fraud and voter suppression, we gave a thorough treatment of:
1) Targeted voter suppression
2) Registration tampering
3) Illegal voter purges
4) Exit polling discrepancies
5) Evidence for voting machine tampering
6) The security (or lack thereof) of various voting machine types
Finally, we gave a date-by-date, state-by-state overview of each of these fraud or suppression types at work throughout the course of the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries. Based on this work, Election Justice USA has established an upper estimate of 184 pledged delegates lost by Senator Bernie Sanders as a consequence of specific irregularities and instances of fraud. Adding these delegates to Senator Sanders’ pledged delegate total and subtracting the same number from Hillary Clinton’s total would more than erase the 359 pledged delegate gap between the two candidates. EJUSA established the upper estimate through exit polling data, statistical analysis by precinct size, and attention to the details of Democratic proportional awarding of national delegates. Even small changes in vote shares in critical states like Massachusetts and New York could have substantially changed the media narrative surrounding the primaries in ways that would likely have had far reaching consequences for Senator Sanders’ campaign.
B. RECOMMENDATIONS
We conclude by calling for decertification of the 2016 Democratic primary results in every state in which we have established a reasonable doubt as to the accuracy of the vote tally. Finally, we wish to bring the reader’s attention to three simple reforms that would eliminate the mere possibility of the vast majority of fraud types demonstrated or evidenced in this report:
1) Exclusive use of hand-counted paper ballots in all future US elections.
2) Automatic voter registration, with same-day party affiliation switching as a mandatory condition for all elections that are publicly funded.
3) Restoration of voting rights legislation which would ensure adequate access to polling sites.
Election Justice USA maintains that these recommendations for future elections, contrary to common claims, save taxpayer money. While beyond the scope of the present report, we aim to present a convincing case for this as part of subsequent publications.
As for the maths. There are mathematic 'theories' on both sides, they are not the same as mathematical facts. I asked for maths.

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Hillary supported the war in Iraq that became a genocide. That makes her as much of a war criminal as Tony Blair. But now dumbed down American white women are telling us to vote for her because it's the feminist thing to do and she's the lesser of two evils (when compared to Trump, who was invented for that reason). Bottom line, the US is about to elect a war criminal, culpable for the crime of genocide, and Americans think this is okay because she doesn't seem to be quite so evil as the other guy. What a horrible sham!

Meanwhile in Libya today: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya ... SKCN10C2NF

"ISIS" my ass :evil:
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rowan wrote:Hillary supported the war in Iraq that became a genocide. That makes her as much of a war criminal as Tony Blair. But now dumbed down American white women are telling us to vote for her because it's the feminist thing to do and she's the lesser of two evils (when compared to Trump, who was invented for that reason). Bottom line, the US is about to elect a war criminal, culpable for the crime of genocide, and Americans think this is okay because she doesn't seem to be quite so evil as the other guy. What a horrible sham!

Meanwhile in Libya today: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya ... SKCN10C2NF

"ISIS" my ass :evil:
And she's upping the anti-Russian rhetoric to divert attention from the fact that the DNC committed massive electoral fraud to get her nominated.

She couldn't even win her own party's nomination fairly.

She's mad enough to start WW3.
As for the maths. There are mathematic 'theories' on both sides, they are not the same as mathematical facts. I asked for maths.

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http://www.anonews.co/clinton-body-count/
The Clinton body count grows with 5 people found dead, all with solid links to Hillary Clinton’s campaign, the Democratic National Committee (DNC), and the Clinton Foundation. Even more alarming is the media blackout on these mysterious deaths and the overwhelming evidence that those who died had insider knowledge that could have taken down Hillary and the whole Democrat Party.
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cashead wrote:Call-back to "shit that Sanders got out of Clinton in exchange for an endorsement," this may be it. Clinton supported it, Sanders opposed it. Clinton has come out and said she'll kill it off should she become president.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -kill-tpp/
Haha. But the 15 person board creating official DNC policy; 10 of whom were put there by Clinton, support the TPP. It is now in the Democratic charter.

In other words, she can go on looking like she opposes it as its one area Trump could chip away at her (this speech was given to an Engineering and Machinery union), while her lackeys creating party policy do everything they can to push it through.

The constitution was written so President's don't run the country, they oversee the running of the country. It is the party that will push policy through, not the candidate; keep an eye on what they are doing, not what Clinton is saying - she has a terrible track record of saying whatever is needed at the time. Remember her opposing gay marriage then 2 years later saying she had always championed gay rights? Or saying she was super progressive just a couple of months after addressing an audience in a Republican state saying she was "unashamedly moderate"?
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jared_7 wrote:
cashead wrote:Call-back to "shit that Sanders got out of Clinton in exchange for an endorsement," this may be it. Clinton supported it, Sanders opposed it. Clinton has come out and said she'll kill it off should she become president.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -kill-tpp/
Haha. But the 15 person board creating official DNC policy; 10 of whom were put there by Clinton, support the TPP. It is now in the Democratic charter.

In other words, she can go on looking like she opposes it as its one area Trump could chip away at her (this speech was given to an Engineering and Machinery union), while her lackeys creating party policy do everything they can to push it through.

The constitution was written so President's don't run the country, they oversee the running of the country. It is the party that will push policy through, not the candidate; keep an eye on what they are doing, not what Clinton is saying - she has a terrible track record of saying whatever is needed at the time. Remember her opposing gay marriage then 2 years later saying she had always championed gay rights? Or saying she was super progressive just a couple of months after addressing an audience in a Republican state saying she was "unashamedly moderate"?
Bloody hell she sounds like a politician. It's almost as though things have nuance and what might be viewed as progressive to some might also be moderate to others. It's almost like she's actually trying to win votes.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the USA can't enter international treaties without the president's agreement so if she wants re-election she'll kill ttip. Of course that doesn't prevent her or anyone else coming up with a different trade agreement which has much of the same provisions - since no one actually knows what precisely is in ttip anyway - whilst nominally sticking to their pledge.
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Or maybe it's because between Clinton and Trump, one of them has gone on record saying A) abortion will be banned should they be elected president and B) women who seek an abortion should be punished.


You're missing the whole point though. Trump has been created to usher in a serial war criminal as president with this 'lesser of two evils' charade. Nothing that comes out of Trump's mouth should be given credence. Is an actor on a stage. Clinton, on the other hand, has actually made decisions which have resulted in countless thousands of deaths and the destruction of entire nations.
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rowan wrote:Or maybe it's because between Clinton and Trump, one of them has gone on record saying A) abortion will be banned should they be elected president and B) women who seek an abortion should be punished.


You're missing the whole point though. Trump has been created to usher in a serial war criminal as president with this 'lesser of two evils' charade. Nothing that comes out of Trump's mouth should be given credence. Is an actor on a stage. Clinton, on the other hand, has actually made decisions which have resulted in countless thousands of deaths and the destruction of entire nations.
It wouldn't be going out on a limb to say there were hundreds of politicians in North America and Europe who at the time backed the war in Iraq, there'd simply be no need to manufacture anything to usher in what you consider a war criminal, you'd just pick from a large group of possibles.
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Digby wrote:
rowan wrote:Or maybe it's because between Clinton and Trump, one of them has gone on record saying A) abortion will be banned should they be elected president and B) women who seek an abortion should be punished.


You're missing the whole point though. Trump has been created to usher in a serial war criminal as president with this 'lesser of two evils' charade. Nothing that comes out of Trump's mouth should be given credence. Is an actor on a stage. Clinton, on the other hand, has actually made decisions which have resulted in countless thousands of deaths and the destruction of entire nations.
It wouldn't be going out on a limb to say there were hundreds of politicians in North America and Europe who at the time backed the war in Iraq, there'd simply be no need to manufacture anything to usher in what you consider a war criminal, you'd just pick from a large group of possibles.
Of the declared candidates, only Hillary voted for the invasion of Iraq. & then there's Libya, and the Honduras, and her dangerous views on Syria/Russia/Iran, not to mention her blind support for Apartheid Israel, and also her weapons deals with those charming Saudis, who rank among her principal donors:

At least 10 children were killed and 21 were injured in northern Yemen on Saturday, aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres said, in what the country's dominant Houthi group said was a Saudi-led air strike on a school.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yemen ... SKCN10O0DH

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rowan wrote:Or maybe it's because between Clinton and Trump, one of them has gone on record saying A) abortion will be banned should they be elected president and B) women who seek an abortion should be punished.


You're missing the whole point though. Trump has been created to usher in a serial war criminal as president with this 'lesser of two evils' charade. Nothing that comes out of Trump's mouth should be given credence. Is an actor on a stage. Clinton, on the other hand, has actually made decisions which have resulted in countless thousands of deaths and the destruction of entire nations.
Why bother? If you can fix the Republican primaries to get Trump, why not just fix the general election? Why not let one of the myriad politicians who supported and still support the war in Iraq winthe GOP nomination. Hell many of them are more hawkish thatn Hillary.

As a conspiracy theory this is about the most ludicrous I've ever seen.
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Why bother? If you can fix the Republican primaries to get Trump, why not just fix the general election? Why not let one of the myriad politicians who supported and still support the war in Iraq winthe GOP nomination. Hell many of them are more hawkish thatn Hillary.

You're missing something, Eugene. The entire election is a charade. Hillary has already been anointed by those who decide these things. Long ago, in fact. Now it's just a case of fooling the general populace into believing they made this decision for themselves, and the only way that could be done is to create such a monstrosity as opposition that even a serial war criminal with a penchant for regime change would be regarded as the lesser of two evils.
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Who was Gaddafi? http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-ten- ... ow/5414289

1. In Libya a home is considered a natural human right

In Gaddafi’s Green Book it states: ”The house is a basic need of both the individual and the family, therefore it should not be owned by others”. Gaddafi’s Green Book is the formal leader’s political philosophy, it was first published in 1975 and was intended reading for all Libyans even being included in the national curriculum.

2. Education and medical treatment were all free

Under Gaddafi, Libya could boast one of the best healthcare services in the Middle East and Africa. Also if a Libyan citizen could not access the desired educational course or correct medical treatment in Libya they were funded to go abroad.

3. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project

The largest irrigation system in the world also known as the great manmade river was designed to make water readily available to all Libyan’s across the entire country. It was funded by the Gaddafi government and it said that Gaddafi himself called it ”the eighth wonder of the world”.

4. It was free to start a farming business

If any Libyan wanted to start a farm they were given a house, farm land and live stock and seeds all free of charge.

5. A bursary was given to mothers with newborn babies

When a Libyan woman gave birth she was given 5000 (US dollars) for herself and the child.

6. Electricity was free

Electricity was free in Libya meaning absolutely no electric bills!

7. Cheap petrol

During Gaddafi’s reign the price of petrol in Libya was as low as 0.14 (US dollars) per litre.

8. Gaddafi raised the level of education

Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. This figure was brought up to 87% with 25% earning university degrees.

9. Libya had It’s own state bank

Libya had its own State bank, which provided loans to citizens at zero percent interest by law and they had no external debt.

10. The gold dinar

Before the fall of Tripoli and his untimely demise, Gaddafi was trying to introduce a single African currency linked to gold. Following in the foot steps of the late great pioneer Marcus Garvey who first coined the term ”United States of Africa”. Gaddafi wanted to introduce and only trade in the African gold Dinar – a move which would have thrown the world economy into chaos.

The Dinar was widely opposed by the ‘elite’ of today’s society and who could blame them. African nations would have finally had the power to bring itself out of debt and poverty and only trade in this precious commodity. They would have been able to finally say ‘no’ to external exploitation and charge whatever they felt suitable for precious resources. It has been said that the gold Dinar was the real reason for the NATO led rebellion, in a bid to oust the outspoken leader.
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rowan wrote:Why bother? If you can fix the Republican primaries to get Trump, why not just fix the general election? Why not let one of the myriad politicians who supported and still support the war in Iraq winthe GOP nomination. Hell many of them are more hawkish thatn Hillary.

You're missing something, Eugene. The entire election is a charade. Hillary has already been anointed by those who decide these things. Long ago, in fact. Now it's just a case of fooling the general populace into believing they made this decision for themselves, and the only way that could be done is to create such a monstrosity as opposition that even a serial war criminal with a penchant for regime change would be regarded as the lesser of two evils.
No, I've got that point. It just doesn't make any sense. It is just much more difficult to organise things the way you suggest than just fix the general election.
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Trump is nothing but a spokesperson for Fox and the rest of the corporate predators. They have turned this presidential election into a reality show circus. Even the TV wrestling fans are beginning to suspect something's not right...
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The objective of the charade is to reduce American politics to a circus parade of shocks and sensations that hold no actual meaning and deflect attention from more serious issues. The end result is totalitarianism, absolutes and unaccountability devoid of critical thinking and informed judgement. This is the strategy Hannah Arendt famously referred to in her book on Adolf Eichmann as the 'banality of evil.'

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/12/ ... -politics/
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A presidential candidate should not suggest violence in any way?!? Really?

This coming from a high-level supporter of a candidate who…

…has supported every war during her political career?

…supported the use of civilian-butchering cluster bombs by Israel in Gaza?

…supported the brutal invasions by the Saudi dictatorship of Bahrain and Yemen?

…enthusiastically pushed for the bombing of Libya that turned it into a failed state?

…threatened use of nuclear weapons vs. Iran?

…supported the military coups against the elected governments in Honduras and Egypt, turning both into violence-ridden basket cases?

…adores as her mentor the arch war criminal Henry Kissinger, orchestrator of the tortures and killings of 10s of thousands?

Tell me, please, Clinton supporters, how is this not “suggest[ing] violence in any way.”


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rowan wrote:The objective of the charade is to reduce American politics to a circus parade of shocks and sensations that hold no actual meaning and deflect attention from more serious issues. The end result is totalitarianism, absolutes and unaccountability devoid of critical thinking and informed judgement. This is the strategy Hannah Arendt famously referred to in her book on Adolf Eichmann as the 'banality of evil.'

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/12/ ... -politics/
Are those not the very things you so admire in Russia and Iran?
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Pointing the finger elsewhere is only a diversionary tactic, Digby, and thus a form of acknowledgement.
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rowan wrote:Pointing the finger elsewhere is only a diversionary tactic, Digby, and thus a form of acknowledgement.
Last time I promise... could the exact same thing not be said about all the bluff and bluster that comes out of Russia and Iran, among others, about America? If you cant be arsed replying, that's OK as I think I know what you'll be saying!
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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cashead wrote:
rowan wrote:Pointing the finger elsewhere is only a diversionary tactic, Digby, and thus a form of acknowledgement.
Is that why you start banging on about the USA and the UK when China, Syria, Russia, etc. are criticised? I also note that you're not denying it.

Also, the GOP has been an unelectable circus long before that bloviating, small-handed Oompa Loompa got there. All he did was stamp his stupid brand all over it.
Your first comment is ironic. The second I actually agree with.

Meanwhile, here's the latest on what the Saudis have been doing with those weapons Hillary helped sell to them: http://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/2467 ... s-in-yemen

A Saud-led coalition’s raid in Saada claimed the lives of at least ten children and wounded dozens more on Saturday. The airstrikes carried out by warplanes struck in a residential area and a school in northern Yemen.

A bombardment in Birken, a village in the Razih District, struck a school principal’s home, killing his wife and four of their children. While rescuers attempted to free the others, a second airstrike claimed the lives of four more.

The airstrike in the Haydan District hit a school and killed ten students and wounded 28 others, officials have said.


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What the Saudis have been up to lately with the weapons Hellary Clinton arranged for their staunched allies America to sell them. I had to go to the New Zealand press, in fact, to find an article which actually mentioned the perpetrators (Saudi) in its headline. The American & British articles I looked at either failed to mention this, or slipped it in somewhere further down.

:evil: An airstrike by a US-backed Saudi-led military coalition struck a Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in northwestern Yemen, the latest bombing of a civilian site since a peace deal between the nation's warring factions collapsed last week.

Abs Hospital, located in the country's Hajjah governorate and supported by the international medical charity, was hit at 3:45 p.m. local time, Doctors Without Borders said in a statement. The strike killed at least 11 people and wounded at least 19 others.

"MSF is currently assessing the situation to ensure the safety of patients and staff," the aid agency, using the acronym for its French name, Medecins Sans Frontieres, said in its statement. "We will provide more information as it becomes available."

More than 4,600 patients have been treated at the hospital since the charity began supporting it in July 2015.

The bombing comes two days after a Saudi-led coalition airstrike hit a Koranic school in an enclave of the northern city of Saada, killing 10 children and wounding 28. All were between the ages of 6 and 15, according to Doctors Without Borders, whose staff treated the victims at their facility there.

Saudi Arabia's military has said that Saturday's airstrike struck a militia training camp but offered no evidence for its claims. A 14-member team set up by the coalition to investigate allegations of wrongdoing said it had opened an inquiry into reports that the school was hit and would make its findings public.

There was no immediate comment from Saudi Arabia on Monday's airstrike, which was at least the fourth on a Doctors Without Borders-supported medical facility in Yemen since the war began in early 2015. Last year, one person was killed in an airstrike on a health center in Saada province, and a mobile clinic in the southern province of Taiz was also hit, according to the aid agency. In January, another hospital in Saada was targeted, killing six.

Several organizations working in Yemen condemned Monday's attack and called for an independent investigation.
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Good interview here (on video):



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"I'd have gotten away with it, if it weren't for those meddling alt right birthers"
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