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paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:45 am Have thay given any reason why the citizen sent to el Salvador incorrectly will not be returned???

Other than him not being white enough?
Not seeing much beyond "I don't wanna."
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cashead wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:31 am
paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:45 am Have thay given any reason why the citizen sent to el Salvador incorrectly will not be returned???

Other than him not being white enough?
Not seeing much beyond "I don't wanna."
They're claiming they aren't able to, which is laughable because presumably they're paying El Salvador to hold him.

And they don't wanna.
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paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:45 am Have thay given any reason why the citizen sent to el Salvador incorrectly will not be returned???

Other than him not being white enough?
Nope. There are some ballsy law firms on the case though. Welcome to the Terradome.
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paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:45 am Have thay given any reason why the citizen sent to el Salvador incorrectly will not be returned???

Other than him not being white enough?
I think it's more "make me" than "don't wanna"
which may seem like a difference without a difference; but I think that they think they can get away with this one, and set a precedent for doing the same, and worse, going forwards.

They've already turned ICE into the Stasi; now they just need to know that they can get away with it - it's what they've decided to make the test case
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Source: The Declaration of Independence:

Grievance 16
"For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world."

Grievance 17
"For imposing taxes on us without our consent."

Grievance 18
"For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of trial by jury."

Grievance 19
"For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offenses."
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morepork wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:36 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:45 am Have thay given any reason why the citizen sent to el Salvador incorrectly will not be returned???

Other than him not being white enough?
Nope. There are some ballsy law firms on the case though. Welcome to the Terradome.
What exactly are the law firms planning on doing given that he's flat out ignored the Supreme Court saying to bring the guy back? His own, stacked and stuffed, Supreme Court voted unanimously that he had to undo the rendition, and he's shrugged his shoulders and said he's not going to.

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Puja wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:40 pm
morepork wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:36 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:45 am Have thay given any reason why the citizen sent to el Salvador incorrectly will not be returned???

Other than him not being white enough?
Nope. There are some ballsy law firms on the case though. Welcome to the Terradome.
What exactly are the law firms planning on doing given that he's flat out ignored the Supreme Court saying to bring the guy back? His own, stacked and stuffed, Supreme Court voted unanimously that he had to undo the rendition, and he's shrugged his shoulders and said he's not going to.

Puja
So it's unlimited power time, like those project 2025 people wanted...........wtf is their end goal just make the uber rich white cabal even richer?
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paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:06 pm
Puja wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:40 pm
morepork wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:36 pm

Nope. There are some ballsy law firms on the case though. Welcome to the Terradome.
What exactly are the law firms planning on doing given that he's flat out ignored the Supreme Court saying to bring the guy back? His own, stacked and stuffed, Supreme Court voted unanimously that he had to undo the rendition, and he's shrugged his shoulders and said he's not going to.

Puja
So it's unlimited power time, like those project 2025 people wanted...........wtf is their end goal just make the uber rich white cabal even richer?
Reshape the world in their image...They have rather glaring similarities to a group of extremists from the 1930s...
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Puja wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:40 pm
morepork wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:36 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:45 am Have thay given any reason why the citizen sent to el Salvador incorrectly will not be returned???

Other than him not being white enough?
Nope. There are some ballsy law firms on the case though. Welcome to the Terradome.
What exactly are the law firms planning on doing given that he's flat out ignored the Supreme Court saying to bring the guy back? His own, stacked and stuffed, Supreme Court voted unanimously that he had to undo the rendition, and he's shrugged his shoulders and said he's not going to.

Puja
He hasn’t quite got the point of refusing to obey the court order, he’s just saying that he can’t. It’s all complete BS, but just about keeps him away from a constitutional crisis for the moment.
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Puja wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:40 pm
morepork wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:36 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:45 am Have thay given any reason why the citizen sent to el Salvador incorrectly will not be returned???

Other than him not being white enough?
Nope. There are some ballsy law firms on the case though. Welcome to the Terradome.
What exactly are the law firms planning on doing given that he's flat out ignored the Supreme Court saying to bring the guy back? His own, stacked and stuffed, Supreme Court voted unanimously that he had to undo the rendition, and he's shrugged his shoulders and said he's not going to.

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Working for free and pressuring the Supreme Court to uphold the constitutional judicial power of government in checking the excess of the executive branch. It's fucking ugly here people. Civil Rights Act MkII. From the street to the court, this is being fought tooth and nail.
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Sandydragon wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 5:24 pm
Puja wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:40 pm
morepork wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:36 pm

Nope. There are some ballsy law firms on the case though. Welcome to the Terradome.
What exactly are the law firms planning on doing given that he's flat out ignored the Supreme Court saying to bring the guy back? His own, stacked and stuffed, Supreme Court voted unanimously that he had to undo the rendition, and he's shrugged his shoulders and said he's not going to.

Puja
He hasn’t quite got the point of refusing to obey the court order, he’s just saying that he can’t. It’s all complete BS, but just about keeps him away from a constitutional crisis for the moment.
So he'll eventually say no and gets some body to turn and not execute their role and basically he's emperor overnight......this is how it plays out?
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Stom wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:54 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:06 pm
Puja wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:40 pm

What exactly are the law firms planning on doing given that he's flat out ignored the Supreme Court saying to bring the guy back? His own, stacked and stuffed, Supreme Court voted unanimously that he had to undo the rendition, and he's shrugged his shoulders and said he's not going to.

Puja
So it's unlimited power time, like those project 2025 people wanted...........wtf is their end goal just make the uber rich white cabal even richer?
Reshape the world in their image...They have rather glaring similarities to a group of extremists from the 1930s...
Wanting to annex their neighbours to the north for some lebensra… I mean “living space” and a nearby self-governing island territory of a sovereign nation for its strategic location and resources. I don’t see any similarities.

I wonder if they’re planning on invading any major communist (even if in name only). Maybe call it Operation Barbara Ross?
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paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 7:20 pm
Sandydragon wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 5:24 pm
Puja wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:40 pm

What exactly are the law firms planning on doing given that he's flat out ignored the Supreme Court saying to bring the guy back? His own, stacked and stuffed, Supreme Court voted unanimously that he had to undo the rendition, and he's shrugged his shoulders and said he's not going to.

Puja
He hasn’t quite got the point of refusing to obey the court order, he’s just saying that he can’t. It’s all complete BS, but just about keeps him away from a constitutional crisis for the moment.
So he'll eventually say no and gets some body to turn and not execute their role and basically he's emperor overnight......this is how it plays out?
Maybe. Honestly don’t know. Weren’t not quite at constitutional crisis stage at the moment, he isn’t stating publicly that he will ignore a court order.

Will he decide that the courts can’t do much and public opinion is with him, so he might as well just ignore the judiciary? Dunno. I wouldn’t put it past him.
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Sandydragon wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:24 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 7:20 pm
Sandydragon wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 5:24 pm

He hasn’t quite got the point of refusing to obey the court order, he’s just saying that he can’t. It’s all complete BS, but just about keeps him away from a constitutional crisis for the moment.
So he'll eventually say no and gets some body to turn and not execute their role and basically he's emperor overnight......this is how it plays out?
Maybe. Honestly don’t know. Weren’t not quite at constitutional crisis stage at the moment, he isn’t stating publicly that he will ignore a court order.

Will he decide that the courts can’t do much and public opinion is with him, so he might as well just ignore the judiciary? Dunno. I wouldn’t put it past him.
Public opinion is not with him.
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morepork wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:00 pm
Sandydragon wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:24 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 7:20 pm

So he'll eventually say no and gets some body to turn and not execute their role and basically he's emperor overnight......this is how it plays out?
Maybe. Honestly don’t know. Weren’t not quite at constitutional crisis stage at the moment, he isn’t stating publicly that he will ignore a court order.

Will he decide that the courts can’t do much and public opinion is with him, so he might as well just ignore the judiciary? Dunno. I wouldn’t put it past him.
Public opinion is not with him.
Is heavily armed public opinion with him? I should adopt your optimistic outlook given you are there but it looks brutal from the outside
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paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:22 pm
morepork wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:00 pm
Sandydragon wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:24 pm
Maybe. Honestly don’t know. Weren’t not quite at constitutional crisis stage at the moment, he isn’t stating publicly that he will ignore a court order.

Will he decide that the courts can’t do much and public opinion is with him, so he might as well just ignore the judiciary? Dunno. I wouldn’t put it past him.
Public opinion is not with him.
Is heavily armed public opinion with him? I should adopt your optimistic outlook given you are there but it looks brutal from the outside
Sorry. To be clear I was referring to his base. They seem to like the idea of alleged gang members being disappeared to El Salvador. Some will probably not care if he does defy the courts but some seem to regard the constitution as sacred and might not approve. Trump won’t give a toss about upsetting Democrats
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Sandydragon wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:54 pm :
paddy no 11 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:22 pm
morepork wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:00 pm
Public opinion is not with him.
Is heavily armed public opinion with him? I should adopt your optimistic outlook given you are there but it looks brutal from the outside
Sorry. To be clear I was referring to his base. They seem to like the idea of alleged gang members being disappeared to El Salvador. Some will probably not care if he does defy the courts but some seem to regard the constitution as sacred and might not approve. Trump won’t give a toss about upsetting Democrats
His core MAGA supporters will stay true for a long time, even through the recession he's doing his best to generate. But there will be a bunch of Trump '24 voters who will not stay with him in the face of rising prices, rising unemployment, stagnation. Whether the Dems can inspire them is another matter. Or if they'll have a free and fair election in '26 and '28, that's another matter in the balance.
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9-0 in the Republican dominated Supreme Court, but Dictator says no.

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That really is two fingers up to the Supreme Court.
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Puja wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:02 pm FB_IMG_1745006446580.jpg


9-0 in the Republican dominated Supreme Court, but Dictator says no.

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The real shocker is Clarence not being a complete idiot for once and voting against trump
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paddy no 11 wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:34 pm
Puja wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:02 pm FB_IMG_1745006446580.jpg


9-0 in the Republican dominated Supreme Court, but Dictator says no.

Puja
The real shocker is Clarence not being a complete idiot for once and voting against trump
Ikr? Plus Coney Barrett actually acting like the law mattered. It must be really egregious if even the puppet turns against it.

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Consent is a bit too woke for this lot.
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I guess encouraging people not to rape eachother is now the domain of the thought police and big government.
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