America

[paddy no 11]

We are going to experience a fascist/authoritarian world now

How severe/long it will be I don't know but I can't see it being avoided in the US and with Russia/China already signed up its something we're all going to experience to some degree. Be lucky if it's just economic impact

[Which Tyler]

[Sandydragon]

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17CJM5uGG5/

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Puja

So to be absolutely clear. A right wing, anti semitic, anti lgbt, and minority propagandist was killed by an even more extreme nut job for not being mental enough?

[Puja]

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17CJM5uGG5/

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Puja

So to be absolutely clear. A right wing, anti semitic, anti lgbt, and minority propagandist was killed by an even more extreme nut job for not being mental enough?

That's the one. Terrifying, aint it?

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17CJM5uGG5/

Puja

It's difficult to determine whether Robinson is a Groyper (not least because I hadn't heard of the far-right, pro-dictatorship group before today*). The mainstream press certainly aren't going there (yet). There are plausible links but I've not seen anything solid.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-groyper- ... ne-1744015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers


* I think I was happier yesterday

I think it's fairly solid now. All of the things etched on the bullet casings that he prepared and used are groyper internet memes, so it'd be a big coincidence for him not to be.

Puja

[Zhivago]

American political discourse is so f'cked.

[Son of Mathonwy]

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17CJM5uGG5/

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Puja

So to be absolutely clear. A right wing, anti semitic, anti lgbt, and minority propagandist was killed by an even more extreme nut job for not being mental enough?

That's the one. Terrifying, aint it?

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17CJM5uGG5/

Puja

It's difficult to determine whether Robinson is a Groyper (not least because I hadn't heard of the far-right, pro-dictatorship group before today*). The mainstream press certainly aren't going there (yet). There are plausible links but I've not seen anything solid.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-groyper- ... ne-1744015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers


* I think I was happier yesterday

I think it's fairly solid now. All of the things etched on the bullet casings that he prepared and used are groyper internet memes, so it'd be a big coincidence for him not to be.

Puja

I was hoping I could verify that for myself, say on the Wikipedia entry or in some news reports, but other than your Facebook link, I can't see anything saying that. Not saying it's not so, it's just totally outside my personal experience so I need a bit more firm evidence.

[Sandydragon]

So to be absolutely clear. A right wing, anti semitic, anti lgbt, and minority propagandist was killed by an even more extreme nut job for not being mental enough?

That's the one. Terrifying, aint it?

It's difficult to determine whether Robinson is a Groyper (not least because I hadn't heard of the far-right, pro-dictatorship group before today*). The mainstream press certainly aren't going there (yet). There are plausible links but I've not seen anything solid.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-groyper- ... ne-1744015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers


* I think I was happier yesterday

I think it's fairly solid now. All of the things etched on the bullet casings that he prepared and used are groyper internet memes, so it'd be a big coincidence for him not to be.

Puja

I was hoping I could verify that for myself, say on the Wikipedia entry or in some news reports, but other than your Facebook link, I can't see anything saying that. Not saying it's not so, it's just totally outside my personal experience so I need a bit more firm evidence.

At the moment it’s all unsupported. The interview might yield more information but time will tell.

[Which Tyler]

Trump’s retreat from Nato was priced in. But his humiliation of Qatar and India spells total chaos
Allies indulged the US president on the basis they wouldn’t be bombed or suffer economic damage. So much for that idea

[Puja]

That's the one. Terrifying, aint it?



I think it's fairly solid now. All of the things etched on the bullet casings that he prepared and used are groyper internet memes, so it'd be a big coincidence for him not to be.

Puja

I was hoping I could verify that for myself, say on the Wikipedia entry or in some news reports, but other than your Facebook link, I can't see anything saying that. Not saying it's not so, it's just totally outside my personal experience so I need a bit more firm evidence.

At the moment it’s all unsupported. The interview might yield more information but time will tell.

I doubt it. Assuming he is a groyper, then he'll be paranoid and virulently anti-government and will likely refuse to engage with them, but even if he does, one of the major philosophies of that group is to deliberately obfuscate by adopting contradictory memes and sayings so that normal people are confused by your explanation of a fascist group that sings noted antifascist song Bella Ciao and goes OwO.

If he says anything to the police, it'll probably be that he's a trans liberal queer who did it because he thought Gavin Newsom wanted him to kill fascists.

Puja

[Mikey Brown]

I’m not jumping straight to conspiracy theories, but I’m curious about the phrase “law enforcement reproduction” when we’re seeing these text messages detailing and admitting to all the crimes that have just come out.

Anyone know what this really means? A direct copy/paste from a messaging app? The term just feels a bit open to interpretation.

[Son of Mathonwy]

I was hoping I could verify that for myself, say on the Wikipedia entry or in some news reports, but other than your Facebook link, I can't see anything saying that. Not saying it's not so, it's just totally outside my personal experience so I need a bit more firm evidence.

At the moment it’s all unsupported. The interview might yield more information but time will tell.

I doubt it. Assuming he is a groyper, then he'll be paranoid and virulently anti-government and will likely refuse to engage with them, but even if he does, one of the major philosophies of that group is to deliberately obfuscate by adopting contradictory memes and sayings so that normal people are confused by your explanation of a fascist group that sings noted antifascist song Bella Ciao and goes OwO.

If he says anything to the police, it'll probably be that he's a trans liberal queer who did it because he thought Gavin Newsom wanted him to kill fascists.

Puja

I conferred with someone who knows a bit more about TikTok memes than I do - my 16yr old son. He knew about the assassination of this American right-wing guy although he'd never heard of the Groypers. He thought the memes were all basically silly and light-hearted He knew that one was about Furries (which he had to explain to me) and didn't know any meaning behind the song Bella Ciao. He assumed the murderer was left-wing, but mainly because of the victim.

Clearly this take is from someone who knows little about the US political scene, so it's a view with a lot of important info missing. I can't deny that I'd like Robinson to be a Groyper but I have to have some better evidence.

Randomly I did get another view, from an acquaintance's Facebook post. As background she's a Jewish Londoner and a supporter of Israel's actions in Gaza. She seemed to be quite upset at Charlie's Kirk's murder, gutted that someone who, in her view, stood up for what he believed in and spoke his truth could be killed like that. In fact she said he was the first stranger she'd ever mourned (!). Her post got some interesting replies from left-wing types, including me .

[Puja]

I’m not jumping straight to conspiracy theories, but I’m curious about the phrase “law enforcement reproduction” when we’re seeing these text messages detailing and admitting to all the crimes that have just come out.

Anyone know what this really means? A direct copy/paste from a messaging app? The term just feels a bit open to interpretation.

Given the roommate/landlord/girlfriend/furry (depending on which source is leading with what today) is apparently singing like a canary, it could mean that they're recreated whole cloth from his testimony.

Puja

[Which Tyler]

In the span of 3 days, Disney won 5 Emmys for Andor (a show about resisting fascism) and then suspended Jimmy Kimmel (for resisting fascism).


Also, this:

[Son of Mathonwy]

In the span of 3 days, Disney won 5 Emmys for Andor (a show about resisting fascism) and then suspended Jimmy Kimmel (for resisting fascism).


Also, this:

Great video.

Yeah, I was pleased about Andor getting recognition. But clearly Disney owning Star Wars which accidentally made a show as good as Andor is a fluke. Andor is over. The bottom line is all, and always was.

[Mikey Brown]

The idea that their creation of this show would mean they support any of the ideals within it is pretty funny though.

[Son of Mathonwy]

The idea that their creation of this show would mean they support any of the ideals within it is pretty funny though.

Disney is an exemplary US corporation. Profit is everything.

[Son of Mathonwy]

The idea that their creation of this show would mean they support any of the ideals within it is pretty funny though.

Disney is an exemplary US corporation. Profit is everything.

Looks like too many people cancelled their Disney+. Disney 180s to maximize profit again.


(Or did they watch Andor and finally understand? )

[Son of Mathonwy]

This Charlie Kirk memorial thing. Most of my life I thought it was generally accepted that the Nazis were the bad guys.

Then there this, whoa let's have a MAGA Nuremberg rally. Guess Christian Nationalists do what Christian Nationalists do.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Trump to reduce the amount of those horrible vaccines given to american babies. I guess he'll be firing whoever produces the infant mortality figures in a couple of years.

[paddy no 11]

Year zero stuff, let's start killing anyone who wears glasses

[Son of Mathonwy]

Tucker Carlson likening Charlie Kirk's killing to Jesus Christ's.

And throwing in a little Jew-hating reference to the planners of the killing eating hummus, and maybe being a bit ambiguous about which killing he was taking about there. Then a creepy, forced laugh* when his shit is dying in the room.

After that is a lot of Christian stuff which he probably doesn't believe and scary references to what's coming next that no one should waste their time listening to.




*Vance did a similar one in the election campaign.

[morepork]

Shell casings are the new black. Bitch pleeze. Guns are the old white.

https://www.theguardian.com/us

[Puja]

I’m not jumping straight to conspiracy theories, but I’m curious about the phrase “law enforcement reproduction” when we’re seeing these text messages detailing and admitting to all the crimes that have just come out.

Anyone know what this really means? A direct copy/paste from a messaging app? The term just feels a bit open to interpretation.

I have seen a lot of memes about the texts and had assumed that people were writing hyperbolic mocking exaggerations of them. Today, I learned that what I thought was exaggerated mockery is actually the literal texts that the FBI are claiming are genuine:

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I'm not saying it's definite that that "reproduction" is fake, but those are some pretty stilted and fake-sounding texts. Maybe the guy just wrote really weird and so did his alleged girlfriend? Maybe the FBI is currently run by a podcaster who believes in conspiracy theories about the deep state, Q-Anon, 2020 elections, and vaccines who is entirely beholden to Trump?,

I am also looking at this picture released by the FBI of the "engravings" on the bullets used by the "radical leftist shooter", who only shot at and injured detainees rather than ICE Agents:



And wondering whether there is any value in believing any statement of fact that this current FBI makes about anything that could possibly be considered political. It feels wild and tin-foil hat to be saying, "I don't trust the FBI not to lie about crimes" or "I don't trust that sharpied 'Anti-ICE' message not to've been evidence tampering by the FBI to push an agenda," but here's where we are.

Puja

[morepork]

The NIH is taking down its funding announcements web page. This is where all researchers go to see if their work aligns with public health priorities. Priorities are clearly in a state of flux. Welcome to the Terrordome.

[paddy no 11]

I’m not jumping straight to conspiracy theories, but I’m curious about the phrase “law enforcement reproduction” when we’re seeing these text messages detailing and admitting to all the crimes that have just come out.

Anyone know what this really means? A direct copy/paste from a messaging app? The term just feels a bit open to interpretation.

I have seen a lot of memes about the texts and had assumed that people were writing hyperbolic mocking exaggerations of them. Today, I learned that what I thought was exaggerated mockery is actually the literal texts that the FBI are claiming are genuine:


FB_IMG_1758783417513.jpg


I'm not saying it's definite that that "reproduction" is fake, but those are some pretty stilted and fake-sounding texts. Maybe the guy just wrote really weird and so did his alleged girlfriend? Maybe the FBI is currently run by a podcaster who believes in conspiracy theories about the deep state, Q-Anon, 2020 elections, and vaccines who is entirely beholden to Trump?,

I am also looking at this picture released by the FBI of the "engravings" on the bullets used by the "radical leftist shooter", who only shot at and injured detainees rather than ICE Agents:



And wondering whether there is any value in believing any statement of fact that this current FBI makes about anything that could possibly be considered political. It feels wild and tin-foil hat to be saying, "I don't trust the FBI not to lie about crimes" or "I don't trust that sharpied 'Anti-ICE' message not to've been evidence tampering by the FBI to push an agenda," but here's where we are.

Puja

There are so many holes in the shell casings story it's ludicrous

Like who would write anti ice ffs. The made up person they say done this would have wrote fuck ice or death to ice not fucking anti ice. You idiots you just wrote your own perception of "the left" on a shell casing

Where is the shooter have they turned up a body and a bullshit back story yet