Justice - US style

[WaspInWales]

Straight from the 'Only in America' files:

Los Angeles, CA – Exposing the double standard between police and civilians, the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office announced Wednesday that no criminal charges will be filed against the eight LAPD officers responsible for nearly killing an innocent woman and her daughter. Although the cops ambushed the unarmed women without warning and fired over 100 bullets without provocation, the district attorney justified the case of mistaken identity due to the fact that the officers involved were afraid and incompetent.

More here: http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/07/n ... -daughter/

107 rounds fired and only 2 bullets hit the 'target' they were aiming for?!?

Basically, this decision gives carte blanche for cops to be as reckless as possible when faced with heightened stress levels.

I love how the article goes on to describe how 20 minutes after the above happened, another incident in the hunt for the same suspect, resulted in a white man driving a black Honda being blind-sided after complying to orders to stop and then shot at. The suspect they were looking for was black and driving a gray Nissan. The two Hispanic women endured those 107 rounds whilst in a blue Toyota.

Incompetent doesn't come close.

I wonder how many shootings (and deaths) the same officers have been involved with prior to, as well as after that day?

[Which Tyler]

You can't argue the incompetence, 100 bullets aimed at 2 people, and no-one dies!

[jared_7]

Straight from the 'Only in America' files:

Los Angeles, CA – Exposing the double standard between police and civilians, the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office announced Wednesday that no criminal charges will be filed against the eight LAPD officers responsible for nearly killing an innocent woman and her daughter. Although the cops ambushed the unarmed women without warning and fired over 100 bullets without provocation, the district attorney justified the case of mistaken identity due to the fact that the officers involved were afraid and incompetent.

More here: http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/07/n ... -daughter/

107 rounds fired and only 2 bullets hit the 'target' they were aiming for?!?

Basically, this decision gives carte blanche for cops to be as reckless as possible when faced with heightened stress levels.

I love how the article goes on to describe how 20 minutes after the above happened, another incident in the hunt for the same suspect, resulted in a white man driving a black Honda being blind-sided after complying to orders to stop and then shot at. The suspect they were looking for was black and driving a gray Nissan. The two Hispanic women endured those 107 rounds whilst in a blue Toyota.

Incompetent doesn't come close.

I wonder how many shootings (and deaths) the same officers have been involved with prior to, as well as after that day?

It's like, where did the other 100 bullets go? They travel quite a distance and in a populated area, that's hugely dangerous.

Also - cops will probably be able to always argue heightened stress levels, so basically this ruling just gives them a free-for-all.

[Sandydragon]

Apparently this is how federal law-enforcement keeps track of guns in America.

Anytime a cop in any jurisdiction in America wants to connect a gun to its owner, the request for help ends up here, at the National Tracing Center, in a low, flat, boring building that belies its past as an IRS facility, just off state highway 9 in Martinsburg, West Virginia, in the eastern panhandle of the state, a town of some 17,000 people, a Walmart, a JCPenney, and various dollar stores sucking the life out of a quaint redbrick downtown. On any given day, agents here are running about 1,500 traces; they do about 370,000 a year.

“It's a shoestring budget,” says Charlie, who runs the center. “It's not 10,000 agents and a big sophisticated place. It's a bunch of friggin' boxes. All half-ass records. We have about 50 ATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives] employees. And all the rest are basically the ladies. The ladies that live in West Virginia—and they got a job. There's a huge amount of labor being put into looking through microfilm.”

I want to ask about the microfilm — microfilm? — but it's hard to get a word in. He's already gone three rounds on the whiteboard, scribbling, erasing, illustrating some of the finer points of gun tracing, of which there are many, in large part due to the limitations imposed upon this place. For example, no computer. The National Tracing Center is not allowed to have centralized computer data.

“That's the big no-no,” says Charlie.

That's been a federal law, thanks to the NRA, since 1986: No searchable database of America's gun owners. So people here have to use paper, sort through enormous stacks of forms and record books that gun stores are required to keep and to eventually turn over to the feds when requested. It's kind of like a library in the old days—but without the card catalog. They can use pictures of paper, like microfilm (they recently got the go-ahead to convert the microfilm to PDFs), as long as the pictures of paper are not searchable. You have to flip through and read. No searching by gun owner. No searching by name.

http://www.gq.com/story/inside-federal- ... -many-guns

Is there any way to argue that the NRA isn't out of control? I wonder if States keep individual records and whether they are any more efficient. I suspect not.

[kk67]

It's like, where did the other 100 bullets go? They travel quite a distance and in a populated area, that's hugely dangerous.

They don't go that far, do they ?. I seem to remember reading that gravity operates on a bullet fired horizontally with the same force as one that's just dropped vertically. They both hit the deck at the same time.
Interestingly, the nutters firing off their AK's into the air....those bullets come back down and can cause serious head injuries. Yet another reason not to attend family weddings.

[Sandydragon]

It's like, where did the other 100 bullets go? They travel quite a distance and in a populated area, that's hugely dangerous.

They don't go that far, do they ?. I seem to remember reading that gravity operates on a bullet fired horizontally with the same force as one that's just dropped vertically. They both hit the deck at the same time.
Interestingly, the nutters firing off their AK's into the air....those bullets come back down and can cause serious head injuries. Yet another reason not to attend family weddings.

Depends on the round used. Most police forces tend to use rounds like 9mm which don't travel that far, or go through walls, for that reason. That said, to miss with 100 rounds is pathetic.

[jared_7]

It's like, where did the other 100 bullets go? They travel quite a distance and in a populated area, that's hugely dangerous.

They don't go that far, do they ?. I seem to remember reading that gravity operates on a bullet fired horizontally with the same force as one that's just dropped vertically. They both hit the deck at the same time.
Interestingly, the nutters firing off their AK's into the air....those bullets come back down and can cause serious head injuries. Yet another reason not to attend family weddings.

A quick Google check reveals you're right, but a 9mm will travel up to 200m in that time. I don't know what the standard issue is for the cops who were firing but it seems that at any velocity they will travel over 100m - in an urban area there could be any number of houses in a 100m radius. It wouldn't normally be an issue but if you unload 100 rounds...

[rowan]

So much for Obama changing anything. State of emergency declared in Charlotte:

Residents of Charlotte, North Carolina, woke up to a state of emergency and the National Guard and State Highway Patrol deployed to their city on Sept. 22 after a second night of unrest sparked by the fatal police shooting of an African-American man.

According to police, Keith Scott, 43, was shot and killed by officers on Sept. 20 after he refused to drop a handgun. His family and a witness to the shooting said Scott was holding a book, not a firearm.

A peaceful rally in response to the shooting turned violent on Sept. 21 as protesters threw rocks and bottles at police in riot gear, smashed windows and doors and looted stores in downtown Charlotte, Reuters reported. Officers fired rubber bullets, tear gas, flash-bang grenades and used pepper spray to disperse the crowd.
One protester was shot and gravely wounded by a civilian, and four police officers suffered non-life threatening injuries, city officials said on Twitter.

It was the second night of unrest in North Carolina’s largest city, where several protesters and 16 officers were injured on the night of Sept. 20. The turmoil prompted Governor Pat McCrory to declare a state of emergency and deploy the National Guard and highway patrol officers to the city to help restore peace.

“Any violence directed toward our citizens or police officers or destruction of property should not be tolerated,” McCrory said in a statement.

Charlotte’s mayor Jennifer Roberts was considering a curfew as Bank of America told employees not to report to work at its uptown offices, local media reported.

There have also been protests in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in recent days demanding the arrest of a police officer seen in a video last week fatally shooting an unarmed African-American man who had his hands in clear view at the time.

The deaths add to a torrent of accusations over racial bias in U.S. law enforcement and calls for greater police accountability for the killings of African-Americans. A study by the Center for Policing Equity released in July shows police used force on African-Americans at rates more than three times higher than for whites.
U.S. President Barack Obama spoke by telephone on Sept. 21 with the mayors of Charlotte and Tulsa, a White House official said.

The American Civil Liberties Union urged police to release their camera footage of the incident. Police vehicles typically have a dashboard camera and officers are required to carry cameras on their persons.
Roberts said she planned to view the footage on Sept. 22, but did not indicate if or when it would be made public.

“We call for the full release of all facts available,” said William Barber, president of the state’s chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), in a statement.

Barber said NAACP officials planned to meet with city officials and members of Scott’s family on Sept. 22.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/state- ... sCatID=358

[kk67]

It's like, where did the other 100 bullets go? They travel quite a distance and in a populated area, that's hugely dangerous.

They don't go that far, do they ?. I seem to remember reading that gravity operates on a bullet fired horizontally with the same force as one that's just dropped vertically. They both hit the deck at the same time.
Interestingly, the nutters firing off their AK's into the air....those bullets come back down and can cause serious head injuries. Yet another reason not to attend family weddings.

Depends on the round used. Most police forces tend to use rounds like 9mm which don't travel that far, or go through walls, for that reason. That said, to miss with 100 rounds is pathetic.

A bit off topic,....but over what sort of distance are modern handguns accurate ?.

[canta_brian]

So much for Obama changing anything. State of emergency declared in Charlotte:

Residents of Charlotte, North Carolina, woke up to a state of emergency and the National Guard and State Highway Patrol deployed to their city on Sept. 22 after a second night of unrest sparked by the fatal police shooting of an African-American man.

According to police, Keith Scott, 43, was shot and killed by officers on Sept. 20 after he refused to drop a handgun. His family and a witness to the shooting said Scott was holding a book, not a firearm.

A peaceful rally in response to the shooting turned violent on Sept. 21 as protesters threw rocks and bottles at police in riot gear, smashed windows and doors and looted stores in downtown Charlotte, Reuters reported. Officers fired rubber bullets, tear gas, flash-bang grenades and used pepper spray to disperse the crowd.
One protester was shot and gravely wounded by a civilian, and four police officers suffered non-life threatening injuries, city officials said on Twitter.

It was the second night of unrest in North Carolina’s largest city, where several protesters and 16 officers were injured on the night of Sept. 20. The turmoil prompted Governor Pat McCrory to declare a state of emergency and deploy the National Guard and highway patrol officers to the city to help restore peace.

“Any violence directed toward our citizens or police officers or destruction of property should not be tolerated,” McCrory said in a statement.

Charlotte’s mayor Jennifer Roberts was considering a curfew as Bank of America told employees not to report to work at its uptown offices, local media reported.

There have also been protests in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in recent days demanding the arrest of a police officer seen in a video last week fatally shooting an unarmed African-American man who had his hands in clear view at the time.

The deaths add to a torrent of accusations over racial bias in U.S. law enforcement and calls for greater police accountability for the killings of African-Americans. A study by the Center for Policing Equity released in July shows police used force on African-Americans at rates more than three times higher than for whites.
U.S. President Barack Obama spoke by telephone on Sept. 21 with the mayors of Charlotte and Tulsa, a White House official said.

The American Civil Liberties Union urged police to release their camera footage of the incident. Police vehicles typically have a dashboard camera and officers are required to carry cameras on their persons.
Roberts said she planned to view the footage on Sept. 22, but did not indicate if or when it would be made public.

“We call for the full release of all facts available,” said William Barber, president of the state’s chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), in a statement.

Barber said NAACP officials planned to meet with city officials and members of Scott’s family on Sept. 22.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/state- ... sCatID=358

why is this down to Obama? It has been happening forever one would imagine, its just that now we get footage of the events.

Obama tried to bring in some gun control - blocked by the republican senate. Healthcare was similarly derailed. It's not all his fault surely?

[jared_7]

So much for Obama changing anything. State of emergency declared in Charlotte:

Residents of Charlotte, North Carolina, woke up to a state of emergency and the National Guard and State Highway Patrol deployed to their city on Sept. 22 after a second night of unrest sparked by the fatal police shooting of an African-American man.

According to police, Keith Scott, 43, was shot and killed by officers on Sept. 20 after he refused to drop a handgun. His family and a witness to the shooting said Scott was holding a book, not a firearm.

A peaceful rally in response to the shooting turned violent on Sept. 21 as protesters threw rocks and bottles at police in riot gear, smashed windows and doors and looted stores in downtown Charlotte, Reuters reported. Officers fired rubber bullets, tear gas, flash-bang grenades and used pepper spray to disperse the crowd.
One protester was shot and gravely wounded by a civilian, and four police officers suffered non-life threatening injuries, city officials said on Twitter.

It was the second night of unrest in North Carolina’s largest city, where several protesters and 16 officers were injured on the night of Sept. 20. The turmoil prompted Governor Pat McCrory to declare a state of emergency and deploy the National Guard and highway patrol officers to the city to help restore peace.

“Any violence directed toward our citizens or police officers or destruction of property should not be tolerated,” McCrory said in a statement.

Charlotte’s mayor Jennifer Roberts was considering a curfew as Bank of America told employees not to report to work at its uptown offices, local media reported.

There have also been protests in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in recent days demanding the arrest of a police officer seen in a video last week fatally shooting an unarmed African-American man who had his hands in clear view at the time.

The deaths add to a torrent of accusations over racial bias in U.S. law enforcement and calls for greater police accountability for the killings of African-Americans. A study by the Center for Policing Equity released in July shows police used force on African-Americans at rates more than three times higher than for whites.
U.S. President Barack Obama spoke by telephone on Sept. 21 with the mayors of Charlotte and Tulsa, a White House official said.

The American Civil Liberties Union urged police to release their camera footage of the incident. Police vehicles typically have a dashboard camera and officers are required to carry cameras on their persons.
Roberts said she planned to view the footage on Sept. 22, but did not indicate if or when it would be made public.

“We call for the full release of all facts available,” said William Barber, president of the state’s chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), in a statement.

Barber said NAACP officials planned to meet with city officials and members of Scott’s family on Sept. 22.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/state- ... sCatID=358

why is this down to Obama? It has been happening forever one would imagine, its just that now we get footage of the events.

Obama tried to bring in some gun control - blocked by the republican senate. Healthcare was similarly derailed. It's not all his fault surely?

No, its not all his fault. The running of the country never falls just to one man. However, the militarisation of the US police force would have to be considered one of THE biggest issues here, and under Obama, a Democrat, surplus military equipment given to local police departments has increased from $30m in 2008 to $460m today. Or if you want to talk in items, it has increased from 11,000 to 540,000.

https://www.openthebooks.com/assets/1/7 ... eDepts.pdf

I don't think Rowan genuinely believes its all Obama's fault either (although I won't speak for him), its just more in comparison to the rhetoric and public opinion. Obama has been an absolute triumph of PR, I don't think there has ever been more of a disconnect between what the public believes a president stands for and what he has actually done.

[morepork]

So much for Obama changing anything. State of emergency declared in Charlotte:

Residents of Charlotte, North Carolina, woke up to a state of emergency and the National Guard and State Highway Patrol deployed to their city on Sept. 22 after a second night of unrest sparked by the fatal police shooting of an African-American man.

According to police, Keith Scott, 43, was shot and killed by officers on Sept. 20 after he refused to drop a handgun. His family and a witness to the shooting said Scott was holding a book, not a firearm.

A peaceful rally in response to the shooting turned violent on Sept. 21 as protesters threw rocks and bottles at police in riot gear, smashed windows and doors and looted stores in downtown Charlotte, Reuters reported. Officers fired rubber bullets, tear gas, flash-bang grenades and used pepper spray to disperse the crowd.
One protester was shot and gravely wounded by a civilian, and four police officers suffered non-life threatening injuries, city officials said on Twitter.

It was the second night of unrest in North Carolina’s largest city, where several protesters and 16 officers were injured on the night of Sept. 20. The turmoil prompted Governor Pat McCrory to declare a state of emergency and deploy the National Guard and highway patrol officers to the city to help restore peace.

“Any violence directed toward our citizens or police officers or destruction of property should not be tolerated,” McCrory said in a statement.

Charlotte’s mayor Jennifer Roberts was considering a curfew as Bank of America told employees not to report to work at its uptown offices, local media reported.

There have also been protests in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in recent days demanding the arrest of a police officer seen in a video last week fatally shooting an unarmed African-American man who had his hands in clear view at the time.

The deaths add to a torrent of accusations over racial bias in U.S. law enforcement and calls for greater police accountability for the killings of African-Americans. A study by the Center for Policing Equity released in July shows police used force on African-Americans at rates more than three times higher than for whites.
U.S. President Barack Obama spoke by telephone on Sept. 21 with the mayors of Charlotte and Tulsa, a White House official said.

The American Civil Liberties Union urged police to release their camera footage of the incident. Police vehicles typically have a dashboard camera and officers are required to carry cameras on their persons.
Roberts said she planned to view the footage on Sept. 22, but did not indicate if or when it would be made public.

“We call for the full release of all facts available,” said William Barber, president of the state’s chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), in a statement.

Barber said NAACP officials planned to meet with city officials and members of Scott’s family on Sept. 22.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/state- ... sCatID=358

why is this down to Obama? It has been happening forever one would imagine, its just that now we get footage of the events.

Obama tried to bring in some gun control - blocked by the republican senate. Healthcare was similarly derailed. It's not all his fault surely?

No, its not all his fault. The running of the country never falls just to one man. However, the militarisation of the US police force would have to be considered one of THE biggest issues here, and under Obama, a Democrat, surplus military equipment given to local police departments has increased from $30m in 2008 to $460m today. Or if you want to talk in items, it has increased from 11,000 to 540,000.

https://www.openthebooks.com/assets/1/7 ... eDepts.pdf

I don't think Rowan genuinely believes its all Obama's fault either (although I won't speak for him), its just more in comparison to the rhetoric and public opinion. Obama has been an absolute triumph of PR, I don't think there has ever been more of a disconnect between what the public believes a president stands for and what he has actually done.

Bitching out on health care was a major let down.

[kk67]

Is class A drug use increasing in middle-class USA..?.
I'm a bit of a sucker for clickbait at the best of times but it does seem like the crystal meth and heroin stories are on the rise.

[morepork]

Is class A drug use increasing in middle-class USA..?.
I'm a bit of a sucker for clickbait at the best of times but it does seem like the crystal meth and heroin stories are on the rise.

Heroin is out of control. Meth is an economic staple across the entire country.

[kk67]

I'd never heard of JFK and Jackie both being speed freaks......or the genus of the term Dr.Feelgood.
Where would we be without CBS documentaries..?.

[rowan]

So much for Obama changing anything. State of emergency declared in Charlotte:

Residents of Charlotte, North Carolina, woke up to a state of emergency and the National Guard and State Highway Patrol deployed to their city on Sept. 22 after a second night of unrest sparked by the fatal police shooting of an African-American man.

According to police, Keith Scott, 43, was shot and killed by officers on Sept. 20 after he refused to drop a handgun. His family and a witness to the shooting said Scott was holding a book, not a firearm.

A peaceful rally in response to the shooting turned violent on Sept. 21 as protesters threw rocks and bottles at police in riot gear, smashed windows and doors and looted stores in downtown Charlotte, Reuters reported. Officers fired rubber bullets, tear gas, flash-bang grenades and used pepper spray to disperse the crowd.
One protester was shot and gravely wounded by a civilian, and four police officers suffered non-life threatening injuries, city officials said on Twitter.

It was the second night of unrest in North Carolina’s largest city, where several protesters and 16 officers were injured on the night of Sept. 20. The turmoil prompted Governor Pat McCrory to declare a state of emergency and deploy the National Guard and highway patrol officers to the city to help restore peace.

“Any violence directed toward our citizens or police officers or destruction of property should not be tolerated,” McCrory said in a statement.

Charlotte’s mayor Jennifer Roberts was considering a curfew as Bank of America told employees not to report to work at its uptown offices, local media reported.

There have also been protests in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in recent days demanding the arrest of a police officer seen in a video last week fatally shooting an unarmed African-American man who had his hands in clear view at the time.

The deaths add to a torrent of accusations over racial bias in U.S. law enforcement and calls for greater police accountability for the killings of African-Americans. A study by the Center for Policing Equity released in July shows police used force on African-Americans at rates more than three times higher than for whites.
U.S. President Barack Obama spoke by telephone on Sept. 21 with the mayors of Charlotte and Tulsa, a White House official said.

The American Civil Liberties Union urged police to release their camera footage of the incident. Police vehicles typically have a dashboard camera and officers are required to carry cameras on their persons.
Roberts said she planned to view the footage on Sept. 22, but did not indicate if or when it would be made public.

“We call for the full release of all facts available,” said William Barber, president of the state’s chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), in a statement.

Barber said NAACP officials planned to meet with city officials and members of Scott’s family on Sept. 22.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/state- ... sCatID=358

why is this down to Obama? It has been happening forever one would imagine, its just that now we get footage of the events.

Obama tried to bring in some gun control - blocked by the republican senate. Healthcare was similarly derailed. It's not all his fault surely?

No, its not all his fault. The running of the country never falls just to one man. However, the militarisation of the US police force would have to be considered one of THE biggest issues here, and under Obama, a Democrat, surplus military equipment given to local police departments has increased from $30m in 2008 to $460m today. Or if you want to talk in items, it has increased from 11,000 to 540,000.

https://www.openthebooks.com/assets/1/7 ... eDepts.pdf

I don't think Rowan genuinely believes its all Obama's fault either (although I won't speak for him), its just more in comparison to the rhetoric and public opinion. Obama has been an absolute triumph of PR, I don't think there has ever been more of a disconnect between what the public believes a president stands for and what he has actually done.

Absolutely, Jared. I personally don't regard the president of America as being anything more than a spokesperson for the government and multi-trillion dollar Military Industrial Complex. Papa Bush might have been involved in the decision-making process to some extent, given his background at the CIA, but it's highly doubtful the likes of Carter, Regan, Clinton, Baby Bush or Obomber have done anything but serve as the front man, kind of like Winston Wolfe in Pulp Fiction (who cleans up the mess after a murder and makes it all appear spick and span). That movie was all about US foreign policy and how America's violent, religiously & sexually confused culture is being spread around the globe by force, in fact.

& you are completely right about the disconnect with Obomber. I have American friends who condemn US foreign policy and racism in America but still gush about their president. All I'm saying is that in complete contrast to his campaign books and promises, Obomber hasn't changed a thing. & Hillary will only bring more of the same as well, but they'll just play the 'feminist' card to silence all her critics and accuse you of sexism if you don't go along with it. That's already been a tactic of her current election campaign. But she, too, will only be a puppet of the big corporations and the Military Industrial Complex, and obviously a willing one.

[rowan]

Court Rules Black Men May Be Justified in Running From Police

The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled Tuesday that black men in Boston who avoid run-ins with police officers may be justifiably motivated by a desire to "avoid the recurring indignity of being racially profiled," and their flight should not be automatically interpreted as evidence of "criminal activity."

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/3771 ... rom-police

[WaspInWales]

Court Rules Black Men May Be Justified in Running From Police

The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled Tuesday that black men in Boston who avoid run-ins with police officers may be justifiably motivated by a desire to "avoid the recurring indignity of being racially profiled," and their flight should not be automatically interpreted as evidence of "criminal activity."

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/3771 ... rom-police

But if a black man runs from the police, this will only heighten the stress levels of the police officer and they would be justified in firing their weapon in order to relieve that stress.

I honestly don't know why they don't invest in some stress balls?

[rowan]

Armed police and lax gun laws are increasingly beginning to look like an extention of white America's oppression of African Americans. Sure, the latter are able to obtain guns themselves, but if they use them against a white American or especially against an officer of the law there are serious consequences. The reverse does not appear to apply, however.

[WaspInWales]

Armed police and lax gun laws are increasingly beginning to look like an extention of white America's oppression of African Americans. Sure, the latter are able to obtain guns themselves, but if they use them against a white American or especially against an officer of the law there are serious consequences. The reverse does not appear to apply, however.

Of course it does.

One example of an armed white man surviving a confrontation with the police doesn't prove a rule. I'm pretty sure many white people who have taken up arms against other people of the same race and/or cops have found that it didn't end too well for themselves.

There is clearly some very serious issues with US policing of African-Americans though.

[Coco]

Armed police and lax gun laws are increasingly beginning to look like an extention of white America's oppression of African Americans. Sure, the latter are able to obtain guns themselves, but if they use them against a white American or especially against an officer of the law there are serious consequences. The reverse does not appear to apply, however.

You arent looking at the entirety of just how tragic all of it is. There is more black on black murders than you can even imagine, yet somehow those losses of life, their families, their facts and stories are overlooked by media and the BLM movement.

Have a look at Chicago (Obamas old stomping ground) murder rates past few years. It is out of control. Why are they less valuable as human beings? Why is nobody marching for them?

Heartbreaking.

[Coco]

Armed police and lax gun laws are increasingly beginning to look like an extention of white America's oppression of African Americans. Sure, the latter are able to obtain guns themselves, but if they use them against a white American or especially against an officer of the law there are serious consequences. The reverse does not appear to apply, however.

Of course it does.

One example of an armed white man surviving a confrontation with the police doesn't prove a rule. I'm pretty sure many white people who have taken up arms against other people of the same race and/or cops have found that it didn't end too well for themselves.

There is clearly some very serious issues with US policing of African-Americans though.

Exactly. Of course it does, but it doesnt fit the narrative of recent times. Plenty of white nutjobs, crackheads, anti-govt, and innocents alike getting shot for failure to comply or whatever. Hispanics too. You just rarely see it being made a lesson or question of excessive force.

[morepork]

Armed police and lax gun laws are increasingly beginning to look like an extention of white America's oppression of African Americans. Sure, the latter are able to obtain guns themselves, but if they use them against a white American or especially against an officer of the law there are serious consequences. The reverse does not appear to apply, however.

You arent looking at the entirety of just how tragic all of it is. There is more black on black murders than you can even imagine, yet somehow those losses of life, their families, their facts and stories are overlooked by media and the BLM movement.

Have a look at Chicago (Obamas old stomping ground) murder rates past few years. It is out of control. Why are they less valuable as human beings? Why is nobody marching for them?

Heartbreaking.

Not by the communities they live in it's not. If you really believe that the black community is to blame for gun control, the pig-headedness of the pigs, and the undisputed fact that they are marginalized, then fuck, I don't know what to say. All that effort by civil rights Titans reduced to segregating the issue based on stereotype and ignorance. Jesus.Even the mainstream narrative is evidence of prejudice. Why are they less valuable as human beings? Because they are treated as second class and you know it.

[Coco]

Armed police and lax gun laws are increasingly beginning to look like an extention of white America's oppression of African Americans. Sure, the latter are able to obtain guns themselves, but if they use them against a white American or especially against an officer of the law there are serious consequences. The reverse does not appear to apply, however.

You arent looking at the entirety of just how tragic all of it is. There is more black on black murders than you can even imagine, yet somehow those losses of life, their families, their facts and stories are overlooked by media and the BLM movement.

Have a look at Chicago (Obamas old stomping ground) murder rates past few years. It is out of control. Why are they less valuable as human beings? Why is nobody marching for them?

Heartbreaking.

Not by the communities they live in it's not. If you really believe that the black community is to blame for gun control, the pig-headedness of the pigs, and the undisputed fact that they are marginalized, then fuck, I don't know what to say. All that effort by civil rights Titans reduced to segregating the issue based on stereotype and ignorance. Jesus.Even the mainstream narrative is evidence of prejudice. Why are they less valuable as human beings? Because they are treated as second class and you know it.

Exactly my point. Those lives matter very much, yet it seems they only matter in their communities. Why is that? Why don't those victims lives matter as much as the victims broadcast 24/7 on every news outlet? Cos they weren't shot by police officers? You tell me. It shouldn't matter.who murdered them. The fact is that they were murdered. Period.

I hope to God, porky, that you are not implying "cos that's just the way it is". Their lives matter just as much as anyone shot by an officer.

[morepork]

You arent looking at the entirety of just how tragic all of it is. There is more black on black murders than you can even imagine, yet somehow those losses of life, their families, their facts and stories are overlooked by media and the BLM movement.

Have a look at Chicago (Obamas old stomping ground) murder rates past few years. It is out of control. Why are they less valuable as human beings? Why is nobody marching for them?

Heartbreaking.

Not by the communities they live in it's not. If you really believe that the black community is to blame for gun control, the pig-headedness of the pigs, and the undisputed fact that they are marginalized, then fuck, I don't know what to say. All that effort by civil rights Titans reduced to segregating the issue based on stereotype and ignorance. Jesus.Even the mainstream narrative is evidence of prejudice. Why are they less valuable as human beings? Because they are treated as second class and you know it.

Exactly my point. Those lives matter very much, yet it seems they only matter in their communities. Why is that? Why don't those victims lives matter as much as the victims broadcast 24/7 on every news outlet? Cos they weren't shot by police officers? You tell me. It shouldn't matter.who murdered them. The fact is that they were murdered. Period.

I hope to God, porky, that you are not implying "cos that's just the way it is". Their lives matter just as much as anyone shot by an officer.

You should take that question up with the main stream media. It is the way it is, and the way it is is wrong. Are you more likely to see a piece about a 14 year old kid shot in a drug deal gone wrong in Chicago than you are a piece about Brad Pitt divorcing the Angelina Jolie? I know what is more topical, that's for sure. The fact that the cops have a militia mentality that finds expression behind the scenes of Brangelina is a problem. Or maybe we need another JonBenét Ramsey to break that glass ceiling.