Election Tracker/Predictions

[kk67]

The saddest vox-pops on this awful morning are the ones showing the female voters.
Educated, common sense ladies on the verge of tears and sub-normal Sarah Palin/high school homecoming queen types saying 'God, faith and Country' while they froth at the mouth like a rabid dog.

Like falling leaves, the innately stupid are everywhere.

[J Dory]

It will be an interesting few months in American politics. His choices for his administration might provide some insight into what will actually be implemented versus what was election rhetoric. I've heard Giuliani is inline to be Attorney General, scary stuff for American citizens. If the US isn't a police state already, lets see where Rudy takes it.

There have been so many worrying promises made in his campaign, "opening up" libel laws to make suing reporters easier, surveillance of US mosques, using torture during interrogation, mass deportation of 11 million people.

Misogyny, racism, denial of climate change, a warped sense of entitlement, massive ego, lack of self control, all wrapped up in pig ignorance. I can see him making any number of deals with special interest groups to the detriment of the future of the American people, and the world for that matter.

I guess we have to wait and see what he actually does, but it's all a bit frightening and depressing.

[Coco]

I honestly do not think people voted TRUMP for "him"... They were voting against the political elite. Give the guy a chance, and start repairing the divides. Period.

[J Dory]

I honestly do not think people voted TRUMP for "him"... They were voting against the political elite. Give the guy a chance, and start repairing the divides. Period.

We don't have any choice, but he's still who he is, and it's worrying.

[jared_7]

He doesn't believe in climate change. Let that sink in.

Neither does John's Keys. That's why he assigned that scientific luminary Paula Bennett to the portfolio.

Tell you what, the last 4 years of NZ opening the legs and throwing everything behind free trade deals with the USandA is looking a bit fucking shakey now.

NZ is 5 years behind the rest of the world. We started from a more equal, fairer place but have tried our absolute darnedest to play catch up. When I left Auckland there was basically one homeless person and he was a mini-celebrity for it, now the other day I see sleeping in cars is pretty common fare.

If they don't sort their sh*t out and take learnings from what is happening in the UK and the US, they too will have the masses revolt against a boomer generation sitting on the most overpriced property in the western world.

Winston is trying to hang on to still be around when it happens

[Coco]

I honestly do not think people voted TRUMP for "him"... They were voting against the political elite. Give the guy a chance, and start repairing the divides. Period.

We don't have any choice, but he's still who he is, and it's worrying.

I agree, however, I think everyone's energy is better expended by moving forward and at least giving him a chance to settle in, let his handlers do their job, and let him show what he is really made of. We all may be surprised, who knows? Personally, I would have worried more had Hillary won.

[morepork]

What handlers/ Gulliani and his rich white males mates? There had better be some actual professionals handling him because he is a fucking moron and this could look bad on the international stage. Worse than even currently.

Can't wait till he appoints his sociopathic children to positions of influence.

[morepork]

He doesn't believe in climate change. Let that sink in.

Neither does John's Keys. That's why he assigned that scientific luminary Paula Bennett to the portfolio.

Tell you what, the last 4 years of NZ opening the legs and throwing everything behind free trade deals with the USandA is looking a bit fucking shakey now.

NZ is 5 years behind the rest of the world. We started from a more equal, fairer place but have tried our absolute darnedest to play catch up. When I left Auckland there was basically one homeless person and he was a mini-celebrity for it, now the other day I see sleeping in cars is pretty common fare.

If they don't sort their sh*t out and take learnings from what is happening in the UK and the US, they too will have the masses revolt against a boomer generation sitting on the most overpriced property in the western world.

Winston is trying to hang on to still be around when it happens

That shit is waiting to blow up. Key did the same thing in Ireland with housing. I think the current yoof in NZ is dangerously close to being completely fucked.

[kk67]

What handlers/ Gulliani and his rich white males mates? There had better be some actual professionals handling him because he is a fucking moron and this could look bad on the international stage. Worse than even currently.

Can't wait till he appoints his sociopathic children to positions of influence.

His Son/Grandson looked like a decent chap during the acceptance speech. Bored, tired, resigned and with a cynical sneer on his face as his elderly relative trotted out the usual twaddle.

[Buggaluggs]

I honestly do not think people voted TRUMP for "him"... They were voting against the political elite. Give the guy a chance, and start repairing the divides. Period.

We don't have any choice, but he's still who he is, and it's worrying.

I agree, however, I think everyone's energy is better expended by moving forward and at least giving him a chance to settle in, let his handlers do their job, and let him show what he is really made of. We all may be surprised, who knows? Personally, I would have worried more had Hillary won.

No republican did that for Obama. Why do you think dems will do it for Trump?

[Buggaluggs]

Defeating ISIS in 30 days

Sounds like a good plan which the world's major super power could conceivably achieve if they wanted to.

Clinton's not talking about that, however, and quite probably because her major donors are also funding ISIS.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-wont ... ge/5555441

No they're not

Wikileaks and the non-corporate media outlets say they are. Buggalugs on a chat forum says they're not. Hmmm, not sure which way to go with this one...

Neither have said this. You are deluded

[morepork]

Note to Hilldog:

Next campaign must have policy direction over and above "THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING"

[kk67]

oh look,.....more people voted for Hillary.

[Mellsblue]

oh look,.....more people voted for Hillary.

And UKIP won more than both the Lib Dems and the Greens. Yet I imagine you weren't complaining about that?
For all the moaning about first past the post, it does keep the extreme fringes at bay. Well, most of the time.

[kk67]

oh look,.....more people voted for Hillary.

And UKIP won more than both the Lib Dems and the Greens. Yet I imagine you weren't complaining about that?
For all the moaning about first past the post, it does keep the extreme fringes at bay. Well, most of the time.

Hmmm. 1988 was the last time the Republicans lost the popular vote and still won.

I think what pisses me off the most is hearing the Rednecks saying that 'America has decided....'.
Isolationist hicks who are either frightened of taking part in the wider world or think we should bomb it to oblivion will be the death of us all.

[Coco]

We don't have any choice, but he's still who he is, and it's worrying.

I agree, however, I think everyone's energy is better expended by moving forward and at least giving him a chance to settle in, let his handlers do their job, and let him show what he is really made of. We all may be surprised, who knows? Personally, I would have worried more had Hillary won.

No republican did that for Obama. Why do you think dems will do it for Trump?

They may not, remains to be seen. People on both sides are ready to vote out political elites. If this shocker did anything, I'd hope it was a huge kick in the career politcians asses that people are done with biz as usual. Guess we will see.

[morepork]

Hillary is a scheming nasty walking conflict of interest, but championing an orange reality TV personality with the grace and personality of a masturbating baboon as an agent of positive change is just...



fuck.

[Coco]

Ah, so you're going with the timetested "throw the baby out with the bathwater and then burn the house down with lava" approach.

Say what?

Because as flawed as it may have been, the Affordable Healthcare Act was a step in the right direction, and was a net positive in its current form for literally millions of people. It meant that those who would have been denied affordable healthcare by a broken medical industry plagued by for-profit institutions were given access.

The Republicans have spent the last 8 years either trying to prevent it by spreading misinformation ("Death panels?" Fuck off and go die in a ditch, Sarah Palin, you fucking human locust swarm.), trying to undermine it or trying to kill it off depending on which part of said 8 years. I guess predatory insurance companies pay rather well.

Now that they control both houses and have a president-elect that is openly hostile to it, what do you think is going to happen? 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.

Nobody said it wasnt a step in the right direction cashead. It is not working well for the majority of Americans now, myself included. Im really not sure that you understand how this is affecting businesses, and many Americans. There are more uninsured people now than there was prior to. For myself, my monthly premiums have now exceeded my monthly mortgage payment (which isnt peanuts)...and even then, my insurance will not pay a dime until I have spent $12,000 out of pocket for my deductible. Most people are now in this same boat and have thrown their arms up in frustration... Why even have insurance if it isnt going to pay for much at all? Nothing is free, regardless of what media is spoonfeeding the masses. I dont mind helping pay for somebody elses care but ffs, if I am going to do that, I'd like to know I can afford my own care as well.

[J Dory]

I agree, however, I think everyone's energy is better expended by moving forward and at least giving him a chance to settle in, let his handlers do their job, and let him show what he is really made of. We all may be surprised, who knows? Personally, I would have worried more had Hillary won.

No republican did that for Obama. Why do you think dems will do it for Trump?

They may not, remains to be seen. People on both sides are ready to vote out political elites. If this shocker did anything, I'd hope it was a huge kick in the career politcians asses that people are done with biz as usual. Guess we will see.

Republicans have the senate and the house, the Democrats are powerless to stop anything. If Trump and the GOP work together, he can do far more in 4 years than Obama could in 8. The question is, what will they do? Paul Ryan has already stated the first thing on the agenda is the unwinding of Obamacare. What will Trump want from the GOP in return for not vetoing it? Funding for his wall? Sign off from the Senate on surveillance of minority religious groups? The horse trading will begin, there is no sea change in Washington, it's going to be business as usual only with an ego-maniacal buffoon at the helm. His rooting for the working class guy was a fraud IMO, he doesn't give a rats arse about Joe six pack or anyone else. Maybe he''ll prove me wrong, starting by upping of the Federal minimum wage he stated he was for. I'm not holding my breath.

[Lizard]

Does California have much of an independence movement?

[kk67]

Because as flawed as it may have been, the Affordable Healthcare Act was a step in the right direction, and was a net positive in its current form for literally millions of people. It meant that those who would have been denied affordable healthcare by a broken medical industry plagued by for-profit institutions were given access.

The Republicans have spent the last 8 years either trying to prevent it by spreading misinformation ("Death panels?" Fuck off and go die in a ditch, Sarah Palin, you fucking human locust swarm.), trying to undermine it or trying to kill it off depending on which part of said 8 years. I guess predatory insurance companies pay rather well.

Now that they control both houses and have a president-elect that is openly hostile to it, what do you think is going to happen? 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.

Nobody said it wasnt a step in the right direction cashead. It is not working well for the majority of Americans now, myself included. Im really not sure that you understand how this is affecting businesses, and many Americans. There are more uninsured people now than there was prior to. For myself, my monthly premiums have now exceeded my monthly mortgage payment (which isnt peanuts)...and even then, my insurance will not pay a dime until I have spent $12,000 out of pocket for my deductible. Most people are now in this same boat and have thrown their arms up in frustration... Why even have insurance if it isnt going to pay for much at all? Nothing is free, regardless of what media is spoonfeeding the masses. I dont mind helping pay for somebody elses care but ffs, if I am going to do that, I'd like to know I can afford my own care as well.

The Republicans seem to think it's a huge leap in the wrong direction. The voters didn't vote for someone who would fine-tune it (that would've been the other candidate), they voted for someone who is on record saying it will be repealed and replaced, aligned with a party that want a return to the pre-AHA days.

I was reading that repealing it will be very difficult. At the very least it means a full refund and insurance companies and refund are not good bedfellows.

[Coco]

No republican did that for Obama. Why do you think dems will do it for Trump?

They may not, remains to be seen. People on both sides are ready to vote out political elites. If this shocker did anything, I'd hope it was a huge kick in the career politcians asses that people are done with biz as usual. Guess we will see.

Republicans have the senate and the house, the Democrats are powerless to stop anything. If Trump and the GOP work together, he can do far more in 4 years than Obama could in 8. The question is, what will they do? Paul Ryan has already stated the first thing on the agenda is the unwinding of Obamacare. What will Trump want from the GOP in return for not vetoing it? Funding for his wall? Sign off from the Senate on surveillance of minority religious groups? The horse trading will begin, there is no sea change in Washington, it's going to be business as usual only with an ego-maniacal buffoon at the helm. His rooting for the working class guy was a fraud IMO, he doesn't give a rats arse about Joe six pack or anyone else. Maybe he''ll prove me wrong, starting by upping of the Federal minimum wage he stated he was for. I'm not holding my breath.

Not necessarily true. Not all Repubs agree with his agenda. We can speculate to our hearts content but in reality it all remains to be seen.

[morepork]

Refund them what? Premiums went up quite some time ago. They've made money off the fucking thing.

[J Dory]

They may not, remains to be seen. People on both sides are ready to vote out political elites. If this shocker did anything, I'd hope it was a huge kick in the career politcians asses that people are done with biz as usual. Guess we will see.

Republicans have the senate and the house, the Democrats are powerless to stop anything. If Trump and the GOP work together, he can do far more in 4 years than Obama could in 8. The question is, what will they do? Paul Ryan has already stated the first thing on the agenda is the unwinding of Obamacare. What will Trump want from the GOP in return for not vetoing it? Funding for his wall? Sign off from the Senate on surveillance of minority religious groups? The horse trading will begin, there is no sea change in Washington, it's going to be business as usual only with an ego-maniacal buffoon at the helm. His rooting for the working class guy was a fraud IMO, he doesn't give a rats arse about Joe six pack or anyone else. Maybe he''ll prove me wrong, starting by upping of the Federal minimum wage he stated he was for. I'm not holding my breath.

Not necessarily true. Not all Repubs agree with his agenda. We can speculate to our hearts content but in reality it all remains to be seen.

That's kind of my point, it's still going to be you scratch my back I'll scratch yours, only now the guy with the biggest scratchy stick is orange coloured. You're right, we need to wait and see, and while I admire you optimism, or positivism perhaps it should be called, I don't share it based on what Trumps shown of himself up to this time. Que sera sera.

[morepork]

Republicans have the senate and the house, the Democrats are powerless to stop anything. If Trump and the GOP work together, he can do far more in 4 years than Obama could in 8. The question is, what will they do? Paul Ryan has already stated the first thing on the agenda is the unwinding of Obamacare. What will Trump want from the GOP in return for not vetoing it? Funding for his wall? Sign off from the Senate on surveillance of minority religious groups? The horse trading will begin, there is no sea change in Washington, it's going to be business as usual only with an ego-maniacal buffoon at the helm. His rooting for the working class guy was a fraud IMO, he doesn't give a rats arse about Joe six pack or anyone else. Maybe he''ll prove me wrong, starting by upping of the Federal minimum wage he stated he was for. I'm not holding my breath.

Not necessarily true. Not all Repubs agree with his agenda. We can speculate to our hearts content but in reality it all remains to be seen.

That's kind of my point, it's still going to be you scratch my back I'll scratch yours, only now the guy with the biggest scratchy stick is orange coloured. You're right, we need to wait and see, and while I admire you optimism, or positivism perhaps it should be called, I don't share it based on what Trumps shown of himself up to this time. Que sera sera.

Maybe I could take the spare room in your hoose, aye?