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rowan wrote:Trump is a lot more relevant than Clinton now, especially in regard to foreign policy, potential war, suffering of millions around the world. I think it makes much more sense to concentrate on what the orange fuckwit is going to do as POTUS, as opposed to what Clinton may do as POTUS.

I say, old chap, rather obsessed with this fellow and the color of his hair, aren't you? Now, please write wot I want you to write about in future, there's a good native . . . :roll:
Again, no one is stopping you from posting what you want and your immature responses, such as above, and the countless of other instances where you feel it necessary to whine that you are being prevented from airing your point of views are just silly....

Because, unless I'm mistaken, all you do is post your point of views, regardless of how relevant they are to a thread. Then you complain about not being able to have your say...after having your say.

I don't get it, unless you're exercising your right to free speech and right to protest at the same time?

You're the perfect advert for democracy :D
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Trump is a lot more relevant than Clinton now, especially in regard to foreign policy, potential war, suffering of millions around the world. I think it makes much more sense to concentrate on what the orange fuckwit is going to do as POTUS, as opposed to what Clinton may do as POTUS.

This being your idea of a mature response in line with advocating free speech?

Ooookay . . . :?
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rowan wrote:Trump is a lot more relevant than Clinton now, especially in regard to foreign policy, potential war, suffering of millions around the world. I think it makes much more sense to concentrate on what the orange fuckwit is going to do as POTUS, as opposed to what Clinton may do as POTUS.

This being your idea of a mature response in line with advocating free speech?

Ooookay . . . :?
I think it's fairly mature yes. Calling the president-elect an 'orange fuckwit' probably advocates free speech too.

Ooookay . . . :?
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Yaah, I do do that, don't I :lol:

Ok, I'm going to be much more careful now that I understand everything I write is being thoroughly scrutinized and analyzed down to the minutest detail. This is a new beginning, folks. No more repetition from yours truly. I'm going to keep records of every opinion I express on this forum and do my absolute utmost never to express it again in the future. :idea:

Of course, I will be expecting the same standards from others, so let there be no more references to Trump's sanity or choice of hair dye. Those have been done to death, if you don't mind. . . :x
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rowan wrote:Of course, I will be expecting the same standards from others, so let there be no more references to Trump's sanity or choice of hair dye. Those have been done to death, if you don't mind. . . :x
Don't be such a penis :shock:

Having some of your posts criticised does not give you the right to dictate what others may or may not comment on. :(

I love emoticons :D they give so much additional weight to everything I say :roll:



Also, it seems the American intelligence agencies now believe that the Russians Hacked the RNC as well as the democrats. They chose to pass on only the democrat data to WikiLeaks however.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/ob ... -news&_r=2

All seems a bit woolly for me. But I would be interested in seeing what sort of digital fingerprints they are seeing in common on both accounts.
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canta_brian wrote:
rowan wrote:Of course, I will be expecting the same standards from others, so let there be no more references to Trump's sanity or choice of hair dye. Those have been done to death, if you don't mind. . . :x
Don't be such a penis :shock:

Having some of your posts criticised does not give you the right to dictate what others may or may not comment on. :(

I love emoticons :D they give so much additional weight to everything I say :roll:



Also, it seems the American intelligence agencies now believe that the Russians Hacked the RNC as well as the democrats. They chose to pass on only the democrat data to WikiLeaks however.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/ob ... -news&_r=2

All seems a bit woolly for me. But I would be interested in seeing what sort of digital fingerprints they are seeing in common on both accounts.

Boring, repetitive, pointless and juvenile. Pots, kettles, black . . . :roll:
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Trump setting out clearly that when he said Carrier wouldn't be moving and they'd keep their jobs in the US that he didn't mean that. Which I think will not really come to a surprise to anyone, other than perhaps the idiots who voted for him, that when Trump opens his mouth you can't rely on the words he uses.

Turns out he has now rushed to get them to save some jobs at Carrier , but the factory jobs that were moving to Mexico are still nearly all going to Mexico, and the jobs being saved detail a lot of R&D jobs and some supporting admin that were never leaving in the first place. Still by agreeing to basically do nothing to keep the jobs that Trump said would be kept it seems Carrier will dodge the 35% import tax.
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canta_brian wrote:
rowan wrote:Of course, I will be expecting the same standards from others, so let there be no more references to Trump's sanity or choice of hair dye. Those have been done to death, if you don't mind. . . :x
Don't be such a penis :shock:

Having some of your posts criticised does not give you the right to dictate what others may or may not comment on. :(

I love emoticons :D they give so much additional weight to everything I say :roll:



Also, it seems the American intelligence agencies now believe that the Russians Hacked the RNC as well as the democrats. They chose to pass on only the democrat data to WikiLeaks however.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/ob ... -news&_r=2

All seems a bit woolly for me. But I would be interested in seeing what sort of digital fingerprints they are seeing in common on both accounts.
It always struck me as an internal leak was the most likely cause. Disgruntled democrat/employee peeved at Clinton's reckless disregard for the rules, or maybe a US hacker group similar, or linked to Anonymous on the search for social justice.

But, this is America and when all else fails, blame the Ruskies is the best explanation.
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WaspInWales wrote:
canta_brian wrote:
rowan wrote:Of course, I will be expecting the same standards from others, so let there be no more references to Trump's sanity or choice of hair dye. Those have been done to death, if you don't mind. . . :x
Don't be such a penis :shock:

Having some of your posts criticised does not give you the right to dictate what others may or may not comment on. :(

I love emoticons :D they give so much additional weight to everything I say :roll:



Also, it seems the American intelligence agencies now believe that the Russians Hacked the RNC as well as the democrats. They chose to pass on only the democrat data to WikiLeaks however.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/ob ... -news&_r=2

All seems a bit woolly for me. But I would be interested in seeing what sort of digital fingerprints they are seeing in common on both accounts.
It always struck me as an internal leak was the most likely cause. Disgruntled democrat/employee peeved at Clinton's reckless disregard for the rules, or maybe a US hacker group similar, or linked to Anonymous on the search for social justice.

But, this is America and when all else fails, blame the Ruskies is the best explanation.
I guess the internal leak theory would be disproved if it was possible to see the same patterns of "attack" in the code and logs for both the Democrats and the republicans servers.

I don't know how precise the science of proving the source of a cyber attack is in this day and age. I can't imagine the Russians are doing this from a fixed ip address in the kremlin. If they are responsible at all.

More of an issue for me is the decision on James Comey's part to reopen the Clinton email investigation when he did. He must have known the rumoured source of the leaks. By not disclosing this possible source he gave a very selective set of facts to the American voters at a critical time.
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canta_brian wrote:
WaspInWales wrote:
canta_brian wrote:
Don't be such a penis :shock:

Having some of your posts criticised does not give you the right to dictate what others may or may not comment on. :(

I love emoticons :D they give so much additional weight to everything I say :roll:



Also, it seems the American intelligence agencies now believe that the Russians Hacked the RNC as well as the democrats. They chose to pass on only the democrat data to WikiLeaks however.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/ob ... -news&_r=2

All seems a bit woolly for me. But I would be interested in seeing what sort of digital fingerprints they are seeing in common on both accounts.
It always struck me as an internal leak was the most likely cause. Disgruntled democrat/employee peeved at Clinton's reckless disregard for the rules, or maybe a US hacker group similar, or linked to Anonymous on the search for social justice.

But, this is America and when all else fails, blame the Ruskies is the best explanation.
I guess the internal leak theory would be disproved if it was possible to see the same patterns of "attack" in the code and logs for both the Democrats and the republicans servers.

I don't know how precise the science of proving the source of a cyber attack is in this day and age. I can't imagine the Russians are doing this from a fixed ip address in the kremlin. If they are responsible at all.

More of an issue for me is the decision on James Comey's part to reopen the Clinton email investigation when he did. He must have known the rumoured source of the leaks. By not disclosing this possible source he gave a very selective set of facts to the American voters at a critical time.
A good forensics investigator can probably get the source computer and the country it was operating in. Whether that was an official state run computer or just a 'patriotic hacker' is another matter entirely.
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Trump, Time magazine, and that photo...

http://forward.com/culture/356537/why-t ... tical-art/
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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rowan wrote:
Len wrote:WW3 talk :lol:
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I think the last thing the ruling class want is the working class killing each other on an industrial scale. How will they make their money when all their workers and consumers are dead and who will look after them? How can you rule when there is nobody to rule? For these reasons I believe that unless the world is taken hostage by a bat shit dictator that ignores the corporates and does what he wants the world will never be in a state as it was 85 years ago. I don't think parliaments have control. I think they're full of shit and do as they're told.
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If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
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45 minutes to get to truth?

Ffs, Saddam could've had a missile primed quicker than that :lol:

Not a fan of Molyneux at all. Opinion pieces passed off as truth and then begging for money at the end. Classy.
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He's hot and cold but I thought this was one of his better efforts. Certainly put a lot of things into perspective for me. & he begs for money because he doesn't accept advertisers, which might influence his choice of content.
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Nice to see Trump teaming up with Goldman Sachs.

It should send a clear message to the establishment.
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Trump nominates the CEO of Exxon Mobil, Rex Tillerson, as his choice for US secretary of state. Wonder if he could play the inauguration too.

Nothing says sticking it to the man quite like going with the CEO of an oil giant
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What a fucking sell out, the thick orange cunt.
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Taking the establishment down one step at a time.

What a guy.

Man of the year material.
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I wonder how many rapid conversions are taking place across the rust belt? I sense a major disappointment in of offering.
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Sandydragon wrote:I wonder how many rapid conversions are taking place across the rust belt? I sense a major disappointment in of offering.
It depends how much coverage its getting. One of the massive issues in the US is the partisanship of the media; its really tough to find any mainstream outlet that isn't in the pockets of the DNC or RNC.

All of these appointments have been covered at length in the whiney liberal press, as well as international outlets, but Trump supporters don't follow those; I wonder how much has been mentioned on Fox, Brietbart etc...?

I did see yesterday, however, that Fox news openly slated Trump's reactions to the CIA report on Russian interference, which is a good first step. If systematic upheaval is going to occur you need both sides of the political spectrum working together.
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Unless he can convince congress to basically subsidise manufacturing and spend up large on infrastructure, they'll kill it dead. What a fucking donkey.
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jared_7 wrote:
Sandydragon wrote:I wonder how many rapid conversions are taking place across the rust belt? I sense a major disappointment in of offering.
It depends how much coverage its getting. One of the massive issues in the US is the partisanship of the media; its really tough to find any mainstream outlet that isn't in the pockets of the DNC or RNC.

All of these appointments have been covered at length in the whiney liberal press, as well as international outlets, but Trump supporters don't follow those; I wonder how much has been mentioned on Fox, Brietbart etc...?

I did see yesterday, however, that Fox news openly slated Trump's reactions to the CIA report on Russian interference, which is a good first step. If systematic upheaval is going to occur you need both sides of the political spectrum working together.
If Fox can notice that it was a fecking stupid comment to make then there is hope yet.

Just not that much.
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Why didn't Trump just say if there's illegal hacking its taken place under Democratic leadership and he'll solve it?

I don't know how he'd solve it, then again I don't know how he's going to defeat ISIS in 30 days
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cashead wrote:
Digby wrote:Why didn't Trump just say if there's illegal hacking its taken place under Democratic leadership and he'll solve it?

I don't know how he'd solve it, then again I don't know how he's going to defeat ISIS in 30 days
"Bomb the shit out of them," IIRC. Nixon tried that in Vietnam, and that war outlasted his presidency. I know there were some extenuating circumstances and that spot of unpleasantness at that hotel, but still.
Trump though has a super secret plan, and an idiot could come up with a vast bombing campaign which doesn't work, might backfire, and will cost a fortune.
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