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Lord Lucan wrote:
Digby wrote:If he doesn't like the BBC and CNN why not give them a crap load of access so they get to cover the Trump presidency over and over and over? They might be mean and nasty, but it's his term in the Whitehouse not Hillary's so let them revel in that reality
I'm delighted he's done this, the BBC is a disgrace, the way they have jumped on every little thing he has said or done is not the behavior you would expect from a big news organisation, same with CNN. Keep these bums out, if they only want to print negative stuff let them fuck off out of it.
Keep the tweets coming Trump, that way we get the news direct, we don't have to wait to get it after its been dressed up the way the BBC Et al want it to look.
Its not questioning and probing they are doing, its hounding. They feel ever so silly after backing the hag Clinton all the way all losing, and it shows.
You're mistaking ramblings with news.

The press have a duty to question what they're told. Removing that process is not a good thing.

That said, there's no doubt certain sections of the press are keen to push every possible angle on Trump which is possibly unfair compared to treatment and lack of probing over previous administrations but Trump has invited much of this with his actions.
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WaspInWales wrote:
Lord Lucan wrote:
Digby wrote:If he doesn't like the BBC and CNN why not give them a crap load of access so they get to cover the Trump presidency over and over and over? They might be mean and nasty, but it's his term in the Whitehouse not Hillary's so let them revel in that reality
I'm delighted he's done this, the BBC is a disgrace, the way they have jumped on every little thing he has said or done is not the behavior you would expect from a big news organisation, same with CNN. Keep these bums out, if they only want to print negative stuff let them fuck off out of it.
Keep the tweets coming Trump, that way we get the news direct, we don't have to wait to get it after its been dressed up the way the BBC Et al want it to look.
Its not questioning and probing they are doing, its hounding. They feel ever so silly after backing the hag Clinton all the way all losing, and it shows.
You're mistaking ramblings with news.

The press have a duty to question what they're told. Removing that process is not a good thing.

That said, there's no doubt certain sections of the press are keen to push every possible angle on Trump which is possibly unfair compared to treatment and lack of probing over previous administrations but Trump has invited much of this with his actions.

But if he wants to punish banning them makes no sense, that just sets them free to write what a petty narcissist he is. To punish them invite them in to report on the fact he did win, make them wallow in it. Though on balance it'd be better if he didn't worry about this so, 'cause no one is ever going to get positive coverage much in such a role
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Digby wrote:
WaspInWales wrote:
Lord Lucan wrote:
I'm delighted he's done this, the BBC is a disgrace, the way they have jumped on every little thing he has said or done is not the behavior you would expect from a big news organisation, same with CNN. Keep these bums out, if they only want to print negative stuff let them fuck off out of it.
Keep the tweets coming Trump, that way we get the news direct, we don't have to wait to get it after its been dressed up the way the BBC Et al want it to look.
Its not questioning and probing they are doing, its hounding. They feel ever so silly after backing the hag Clinton all the way all losing, and it shows.
You're mistaking ramblings with news.

The press have a duty to question what they're told. Removing that process is not a good thing.

That said, there's no doubt certain sections of the press are keen to push every possible angle on Trump which is possibly unfair compared to treatment and lack of probing over previous administrations but Trump has invited much of this with his actions.

But if he wants to punish banning them makes no sense, that just sets them free to write what a petty narcissist he is. To punish them invite them in to report on the fact he did win, make them wallow in it. Though on balance it'd be better if he didn't worry about this so, 'cause no one is ever going to get positive coverage much in such a role
They will do this anyway, allowed in or not. After the Sweden remark he was heckled by some of the media, and did you see that CNN guy shouting at him when Trump first came out with "fake news," he was bellowing at Trump like a madman.
Kick them out and let reporters in who are not biased, who don't have an agenda, and just tell the news, instead of making up stories.

This media attack on Trump is unprecedented, he has to try what he can to dampen down the hysteria.
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Lord Lucan wrote:They will do this anyway, allowed in or not. After the Sweden remark he was heckled by some of the media, and did you see that CNN guy shouting at him when Trump first came out with "fake news," he was bellowing at Trump like a madman.
Kick them out and let reporters in who are not biased, who don't have an agenda, and just tell the news, instead of making up stories.

This media attack on Trump is unprecedented, he has to try what he can to dampen down the hysteria.
It's not often you hear Fox News and Breitbart News described as non-biased and without agenda.

All news outlets have an agenda. The same piece of news can be reported in a multitude of ways depending on where it's published.

Trump banning some of the press because he doesn't like how the news is covered is poor form, which could end up doing him more damage in the long term. His rantings on Twitter are only likely to be believed by his core supporters anyway and if you read the responses he gets, there's a hell of a lot of opposition so he's unlikely to be swaying people with the 'fake news' claims.

He needs to get on with it. The more hostility he shows to the press will just result in more hostile reports. What he's demonstrating is that he really isn't used to opposition as he's so used to getting his own way.
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Don bottles the White House Correspondents' dinner
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Digby wrote:Don bottles the White House Correspondents' dinner
Yet more proof, if any was needed, that Trump cannot handle negative feedback, whether it's serious or not.
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For all the merits that could be argued of not being a political insider, the one thing that politicians with some experience of working their way up the various political levels have is an understanding of how to handle the media. They have to or they wouldn't progress and most develop skins the thickness of a rhinos to cope with criticism, which frankly any political leader will get no matter how well intentioned they are.

Trump's broader experience of the media has been mostly positive. As a businessman he has been able to set the agenda when it suited him and his TV appearances have been positive ones for him. Yes, he has had poor publicity in the past but nothing like the scrutiny he is getting now, which to be fair any president will get. If the scrutiny is a bit more barbed that is a reflection of the relationship Trump has encouraged with the media - at some point if he is to remain in office he needs to ignore media commentary and not spend his life attacking it.
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Lord Lucan wrote:
Digby wrote:
WaspInWales wrote:
You're mistaking ramblings with news.

The press have a duty to question what they're told. Removing that process is not a good thing.

That said, there's no doubt certain sections of the press are keen to push every possible angle on Trump which is possibly unfair compared to treatment and lack of probing over previous administrations but Trump has invited much of this with his actions.

But if he wants to punish banning them makes no sense, that just sets them free to write what a petty narcissist he is. To punish them invite them in to report on the fact he did win, make them wallow in it. Though on balance it'd be better if he didn't worry about this so, 'cause no one is ever going to get positive coverage much in such a role
They will do this anyway, allowed in or not. After the Sweden remark he was heckled by some of the media, and did you see that CNN guy shouting at him when Trump first came out with "fake news," he was bellowing at Trump like a madman.
Kick them out and let reporters in who are not biased, who don't have an agenda, and just tell the news, instead of making up stories.

This media attack on Trump is unprecedented, he has to try what he can to dampen down the hysteria.
Correct. He could try to act like a President of the US rather than a spoilt schoolboy who is throwing an tantrum.
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I'm hoping that the Trumpet has finally woken up the 4th estate and that the blowtorch gets used across the entire political spectrum.
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Lord Lucan wrote:
WaspInWales wrote:
Which Tyler wrote:So we've had cult of personality based around a deliberately silly haircut.
Book burnings after Rowling said something mean.
Proposals to build camps where they can concentrate undesirables near the Mexican border.
Proliferation of armaments.
Echo-chamber rallies in Florida.
Speculation of sending troops into Mexico "to help them" against their will.
And now censoring of the press.

Can we refer to them as the 4th Reich yet?
Give him a chance, he's only been in the job for a month.

When he wipes out his first million based on racial or religious beliefs, that would be a good time to call them the 4th Reich.

People these days are so impatient.
Oh deary me, Bush and Blair did this when they were in power, and Obama killed his fair share, but in case you hadn't noticed, Trump is not interested in continuing the policy of conflict and regime change.
But he wants to support Israel for a single state 'solution'

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Still not a peep from the intellectually handicapped orange fuck monkey over the shooting of Indian nationals in a Kansas bar by someone who thought they were Iranian. Wouldn't hurt to show a bit of leadership here dickhead.
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In other news, he is blaming Obama for the protests and security leaks.

Classy.

No matter what the problem, he'll always have someone with darker skin to blame.

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He needs a more constructive fiscal platform than "my cock is measured by the size of the army". And he should learn how to speak English properly.
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Well that in isolation might not have been great, but it's also perhaps Trump's best speech yet. That he disagreed with Donald Trump from the campaign and the inaugural speech does leave open the possibility he's talking bollocks, but we'll have to wait and see. And there is it's more than a little odd to add to the military spend and reduce the diplomacy spend, even before the military spend is already vast and entails huge corruption and waste. I do perhaps like the infrastructure spend, i'm not crazy about private financing though, and even of the sum that would be public funds he's not saying where he'd get the money from.

Still it was for me his best speech even if that's a horribly low bar to clear.
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Perhaps some one has finally managed to get through to him that acting like joe 6 pack is fine with the core voters who got him elected, but he needs to act a bit more grown up in other circumstances.
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It was never going to be a rant of a speech and I'm sure the next time he addresses Congress, it will be a similar tone but you can bet he'll be ranting again on Twitter and to Fox/Briebart in no time at all.

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WaspInWales wrote:It was never going to be a rant of a speech and I'm sure the next time he addresses Congress, it will be a similar tone but you can bet he'll be ranting again on Twitter and to Fox/Briebart in no time at all.

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Undoubtedly. And at some point he is going to have to provide some details on these policy ideas.

Has the new Executive Order he promised on immigration been released yet?
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So humble:


I find these ones annoying:


When he advertises an interview from a sympathetic source, he tends to end it with 'enjoy!'.

It's almost as it he craves attention.
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As fake news goes, it's proving a little tricky for Trump and fam to shake off Russia.
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The new face of Us immigration control:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... re-country
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Which Tyler wrote:The new face of Us immigration control:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... re-country
Sounds pretty much like every visit to US officialdom I ever made - DMV, but especially DSS (to get a tax number for my son).
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I always had reasonable experiences with immigration and such like once I got past whatever illiterate blob was on the front line. The educated ones are all right, and LAX seems to have made a big effort to put a more professional face on immigration in the last 5-6 years.
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morepork wrote:I always had reasonable experiences with immigration and such like once I got past whatever illiterate blob was on the front line. The educated ones are all right, and LAX seems to have made a big effort to put a more professional face on immigration in the last 5-6 years.
Same here. The DSS was a different matter though.
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WaspInWales wrote:It was never going to be a rant of a speech and I'm sure the next time he addresses Congress, it will be a similar tone but you can bet he'll be ranting again on Twitter and to Fox/Briebart in no time at all.

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Back on form:










Alt-news FTW.
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So whilst he spends 1/2 hour here, 1/2 hour there on twitter, who is actually doing the job he was elected to do? Loving the pop at Arnie, how completely sad and pathetic is that?
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