Lions

[hugh_woatmeigh]

In 2005 we couldnt tackle and couldnt score tries under Matt Williams

compare that to now and its amazing that we still only have 2

Sadly given those out injured I wouldn't take more than 4 Scots.

Which is a shame because there was an argument for double that at one point.

But we make lots of arguments not to take scots

For example if these welsh boys were scottish we would make these arguments against them

1/2p done anything to deserve to go ahead of Seymore, Maitland, Mike brown, Rob Kerney , hasnt scored a try at international level in years, got outpaced by Keith friking earls
North - managed to score in a corner against Ireland and score against Italy, got rounded by Visser - does he really deserve to go based on the fact that he got rounded
JD - Can kick under pressure, cant pop a simple ball to a runner to score, - does he deserve to go
Falatau - part of bath that got pumped by Sarries
Warburton - completly got outshined by Watson and part of a team that got turned over 17 times, what the hell was he doing that day, cant handle the cpataincy of his country but somehow he can manage a lions tour
AWJ - cant last 60 mins, cant stamp any authority on a game and then winges about it after

They were all competitive against the only top 3 team in the 6N.

[sharvey44]

Sadly given those out injured I wouldn't take more than 4 Scots.

Which is a shame because there was an argument for double that at one point.

But we make lots of arguments not to take scots

For example if these welsh boys were scottish we would make these arguments against them

1/2p done anything to deserve to go ahead of Seymore, Maitland, Mike brown, Rob Kerney , hasnt scored a try at international level in years, got outpaced by Keith friking earls
North - managed to score in a corner against Ireland and score against Italy, got rounded by Visser - does he really deserve to go based on the fact that he got rounded
JD - Can kick under pressure, cant pop a simple ball to a runner to score, - does he deserve to go
Falatau - part of bath that got pumped by Sarries
Warburton - completly got outshined by Watson and part of a team that got turned over 17 times, what the hell was he doing that day, cant handle the cpataincy of his country but somehow he can manage a lions tour
AWJ - cant last 60 mins, cant stamp any authority on a game and then winges about it after

They were all competitive against the only top 3 team in the 6N.

And got done by Scotland.

[Big D]

I wouldn't be using Earles outpacing 1/2p as an argument when Kearney rounded Hogg in the Ireland game.

Few of those above impact scottish selection.

1/2p will be 2nd/3rd full back not wing.

North may block our wings.

JD is taking JJ's place. Jones may have had a shot pre injury.

Faletau is proven class and has been playing pretty well when I've seen him play.

Warburton is going as a 6/7. Watson is only a 7. He v Tipuric is fairly close.

AWJ shouldn't be going. But I'd take Launchbury. I assume that's Borrhwicks choice.

[whatisthejava]

I wouldn't be using Earles outpacing 1/2p as an argument when Kearney rounded Hogg in the Ireland game.

Few of those above impact scottish selection.

1/2p will be 2nd/3rd full back not wing.

North may block our wings.

JD is taking JJ's place. Jones may have had a shot pre injury.

Faletau is proven class and has been playing pretty well when I've seen him play.

Warburton is going as a 6/7. Watson is only a 7. He v Tipuric is fairly close.

AWJ shouldn't be going. But I'd take Launchbury. I assume that's Borrhwicks choice.

you missed my point, if they were scottish we would have eliminated them for those reasons, because they are not we use other metrics to justify them


How many of those lads (Falatau) aside would you have over scottish players

Hogg v 1/2p
NOrth v Seymore
JD over Dunbar/Jones/Scott/Benet
AWJ over either Gray


Falatau would get in, but his form aint been great this year and we would be looking at dropping him, wait he did get dropped for Wales

Jamie Roberts cant even get in the wales team but the guy keeping him out isnt even on any radar

[Big D]

I wouldn't be using Earles outpacing 1/2p as an argument when Kearney rounded Hogg in the Ireland game.

Few of those above impact scottish selection.

1/2p will be 2nd/3rd full back not wing.

North may block our wings.

JD is taking JJ's place. Jones may have had a shot pre injury.

Faletau is proven class and has been playing pretty well when I've seen him play.

Warburton is going as a 6/7. Watson is only a 7. He v Tipuric is fairly close.

AWJ shouldn't be going. But I'd take Launchbury. I assume that's Borrhwicks choice.

you missed my point, if they were scottish we would have eliminated them for those reasons, because they are not we use other metrics to justify them


How many of those lads (Falatau) aside would you have over scottish players

Hogg v 1/2p
NOrth v Seymore
JD over Dunbar/Jones/Scott/Benet
AWJ over either Gray


Falatau would get in, but his form aint been great this year and we would be looking at dropping him, wait he did get dropped for Wales

Jamie Roberts cant even get in the wales team but the guy keeping him out isnt even on any radar

I'm not looking at this as Scotland v the rest. I'm looking at the best squad.

Hogg v 1/2p? Both will be in the squad.
NOrth v Seymour? If have both in swiad
JD over Dunbar/Jones/Scott/Benet? This comparrision makes little sense. JD is a 13. Dunbar doesn't play there at international level, Bennett is injured and done nothing at international level for a while, Scott can't get picked for Scotland and Jones may well have gone but is injured. Joseph is the one missing out not a Scot.
AWJ over either Gray. Again, launchbury looks like the one to miss out not a gray.

Dunbar is missing out if Roberts gets picked.

Slightly related note is Gray Snr and Scott injured? Not seen them play for a while.

[Mikey Brown]

Matt Scott is, yeah. Not featured since the 6 nations.

[Adder]

Hogg and Seymour it is.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

l m a o

[Big D]

Congrats to both. They should go well I think.

[Big D]

Sadly it must be odds on that one of those players named doesn't make the plane.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

Is that 12 Welsh named?

[Adder]

Mako
Marler
McGrath

Best
Owens
George

Cole
Sinckler
Furlong

AWJ
Itoje
Kruis
Lawes
Henderson

POM
SOB
Stander
Warburton
Tipuric
Moriarty

Faletau
BillyV

Murray
Webb
Youngs

Sexton
Farrell
Biggar

Te'o
Henshaw
Payne
Joseph
Davies
Daly

Watson
North
Nowell
Williams
Seymour

Halfpenny
Hogg

[skidger]

Huge squad. 12 Welsh,2 Scots,16 English and 11 Irish i believe.

[Lizard]

Hogg and Seymour it is.

Yeah. Good of them to give Staurt a run

[BBD]

12 Welsh and only 2 Scots after that 6N????

I don't know why I expected anything different under Gatland but for fecks sake

[Adder]

Hogg and Seymour it is.

Yeah. Good of them to give Staurt a run

We weren't expecting to be respected.

[Wylie Coyote]

What maddens me is the fact this doesn't even warrant a mention. Scotland just does not figure in the radar of B&I Lions rugby at all. They don't even realise that it might be an issue. The worst ever representation by a nation in British Lions history and not even a question afterwards. Disgusted. The SRU should absolutely NOT be tweeting congrats to Hogg & Seymour. Sure they've done well against a fierce headwind but these Lions selectors should not be given any legitimacy at all from official Scottish rugby sources.

[Cameo]

I wouldn't be using Earles outpacing 1/2p as an argument when Kearney rounded Hogg in the Ireland game.

Few of those above impact scottish selection.

1/2p will be 2nd/3rd full back not wing.

North may block our wings.

JD is taking JJ's place. Jones may have had a shot pre injury.

Faletau is proven class and has been playing pretty well when I've seen him play.

Warburton is going as a 6/7. Watson is only a 7. He v Tipuric is fairly close.

AWJ shouldn't be going. But I'd take Launchbury. I assume that's Borrhwicks choice.

you missed my point, if they were scottish we would have eliminated them for those reasons, because they are not we use other metrics to justify them


How many of those lads (Falatau) aside would you have over scottish players

Hogg v 1/2p
NOrth v Seymore
JD over Dunbar/Jones/Scott/Benet
AWJ over either Gray


Falatau would get in, but his form aint been great this year and we would be looking at dropping him, wait he did get dropped for Wales

Jamie Roberts cant even get in the wales team but the guy keeping him out isnt even on any radar

I'm not looking at this as Scotland v the rest. I'm looking at the best squad.

Hogg v 1/2p? Both will be in the squad.
NOrth v Seymour? If have both in swiad
JD over Dunbar/Jones/Scott/Benet? This comparrision makes little sense. JD is a 13. Dunbar doesn't play there at international level, Bennett is injured and done nothing at international level for a while, Scott can't get picked for Scotland and Jones may well have gone but is injured. Joseph is the one missing out not a Scot.
AWJ over either Gray. Again, launchbury looks like the one to miss out not a gray.

Dunbar is missing out if Roberts gets picked.

Slightly related note is Gray Snr and Scott injured? Not seen them play for a while.

While I think the limited representation is partly unlucky just because our best players are in the strongest positions Im not sure i buy a lot of that. Dunbar is stronger than two of the 12s and one of the 13s. Both Grays are better than AWJ and Henderson and some of the others too Id say.

If Cole and Sinkler are in then Fagerson should even have been in the conversation.

And Dan Biggar wouldnt get into the Scotland team.

Im not saying all these should have resulted in Scottish players being in but all could. We also had other outside chances who had stronger claims than a couple in there

[Adder]

What maddens me is the fact this doesn't even warrant a mention. Scotland just does not figure in the radar of B&I Lions rugby at all. They don't even realise that it might be an issue. The worst ever representation by a nation in British Lions history and not even a question afterwards. Disgusted. The SRU should absolutely NOT be tweeting congrats to Hogg & Seymour. Sure they've done well against a fierce headwind but these Lions selectors should not be given any legitimacy at all from official Scottish rugby sources.

The SRU is hardly a rebellious organisation.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

Time to turn our attention to Singapore, Suva & Aus (forget the city) lads. Really excited for our first tour under Toony.

[Jps]

I have a hard time understanding the inclusion of Biggar & Davies based on any kind of recent form, and Lawes over Launchbury is strange to me as well.

Let me just put it this way: we're not frightening the Kiwis with that squad. As for leaving out Hartley- that's sensible.

[whatisthejava]

I have a hard time understanding the inclusion of Biggar & Davies based on any kind of recent form, and Lawes over Launchbury is strange to me as well.

Let me just put it this way: we're not frightening the Kiwis with that squad. As for leaving out Hartley- that's sensible.

Huricanes, Crusaders, All Blacks will beat the lions

That team is Gatland 101, problem is after running at the AL they will tackle you low, take the ball and still have time to slap you before running off and scoring

[Lizard]

There are more players in the Lions squad born in New Zealand than play for Scotland.

[Wylie Coyote]

When Hogg & Seymour are asked the inevitable questions "What do you think about being the only two Scots on tour?" they should reply "I am not going to answer that question." - Not "it's tough, lots of good players" guff. Just straight out refuse to answer that question.

[Big D]

Looking at the squad. ADJ probably has to go. Very little Lions experience in that tight 5. 2 and a half tours without him in there.

Actually, very few previous tourists in the forwards.