Grenfell Fire

[Digby]

Whatever new housing the residents of Grenfell Tower are moved into will be considered newsworthy

[Stones of granite]

So who were they earmarked for? These flats were always intended as social housing as part of the permissions granted I would assume. Were they intended to be left empty for just this sort of emergency?

I would guess that they were earmarked for priority cases on the social housing waiting list.

I guess that I am less impressed that social housing has been allocated to people in need of social housing than Donny is.

Is the fact that this particular social housing is part of a nice development really such a big deal that it deserved an entirely capitalised post to highlight it. Seems to me someone is seeking political gain from this decision as much as anything else. Would it have been news worthy had they been moved into a number of less up-market developments?

I could be wrong about this, but I don't think there are many social housing developments within that particular Borough. In any case, I took Donny's post to be heavily laden with some form of sarcasm, although I have to admit that I didn't quite get it.

[Donny osmond]

I wouldn't say I'm impressed by the allocation of social housing to people in need. It was capitalized only as a comment on how quick some folk were to jump on the govt for "doing nothing".

Before anyone puts any words in my mouth, I'm not defending how the authorities have handled this crisis, just I think the publics response to that response has been more than a little one-sided.

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[Donny osmond]

I would guess that they were earmarked for priority cases on the social housing waiting list.

I guess that I am less impressed that social housing has been allocated to people in need of social housing than Donny is.

Is the fact that this particular social housing is part of a nice development really such a big deal that it deserved an entirely capitalised post to highlight it. Seems to me someone is seeking political gain from this decision as much as anything else. Would it have been news worthy had they been moved into a number of less up-market developments?

I could be wrong about this, but I don't think there are many social housing developments within that particular Borough. In any case, I took Donny's post to be heavily laden with some form of sarcasm, although I have to admit that I didn't quite get it.

Looking back I'm not sure it was very get-able, but you've done pretty well.

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[Stones of granite]

In the ongoing saga of this, I had a right old belly laugh at the journalistic standards in this Guardian report.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... e-cladding

Fire resistant cost $52m2. Poly $45m2. Fire resistant 15% more.It’s 13% less. PE cost 13% less than FR. FR costs 15% more than PE.

[kk67]

It's Michael Portillo's concept of a 'regulated free market' that seems to be utilised in these situations.
I'm not blaming him for this but it's a phrase he frequently uses when he's boxed himself into a corner on Daily Politics.

[Zhivago]

In the ongoing saga of this, I had a right old belly laugh at the journalistic standards in this Guardian report.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... e-cladding

Fire resistant cost $52m2. Poly $45m2. Fire resistant 15% more.It’s 13% less. PE cost 13% less than FR. FR costs 15% more than PE.

Not sure what your point is...

52/45=1.156
therefore FR is 15.6% more expensive than PE
45/52=0.865
Therefore PE is 13.5% less expensive than FR

What's your issue?

[Digby]

In the ongoing saga of this, I had a right old belly laugh at the journalistic standards in this Guardian report.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... e-cladding

Fire resistant cost $52m2. Poly $45m2. Fire resistant 15% more.It’s 13% less. PE cost 13% less than FR. FR costs 15% more than PE.

Not sure what your point is...

52/45=1.156
therefore FR is 15.6% more expensive than PE
45/52=0.865
Therefore PE is 13.5% less expensive than FR

What's your issue?

It does rather read like the journos notes made it into copy by mistake, which I suspect was the point being raised.

[Stones of granite]

In the ongoing saga of this, I had a right old belly laugh at the journalistic standards in this Guardian report.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... e-cladding

Fire resistant cost $52m2. Poly $45m2. Fire resistant 15% more.It’s 13% less. PE cost 13% less than FR. FR costs 15% more than PE.

Not sure what your point is...

52/45=1.156
therefore FR is 15.6% more expensive than PE
45/52=0.865
Therefore PE is 13.5% less expensive than FR

What's your issue?

It does rather read like the journos notes made it into copy by mistake, which I suspect was the point being raised.

Exactly this, and frankly, you'd have to be being pretty obtuse not to see it.

[Digby]

I don't especially like what's happening with the push to prevent the council nominating new leaders. For better or worse they are the duly elected peoples representatives, and it's a horrible precedent that the government should or even could step in to remove elected persons they don't approve of.

I understand those from Grenfell Tower will be in shock, will be very angry, but they're not the entire borough, and even very special groups shouldn't in a democracy get veto powers over the rest.

[Sandydragon]

I don't especially like what's happening with the push to prevent the council nominating new leaders. For better or worse they are the duly elected peoples representatives, and it's a horrible precedent that the government should or even could step in to remove elected persons they don't approve of.

I understand those from Grenfell Tower will be in shock, will be very angry, but they're not the entire borough, and even very special groups shouldn't in a democracy get veto powers over the rest.

Agreed. The council isn't covering itself in glory, but replacing them is the absolute last resort.

[Mellsblue]

Anyone read the inquiry phase 2 report overview?

https://www.grenfelltowerinquiry.org.uk ... ying_0.pdf

[Sandydragon]

Anyone read the inquiry phase 2 report overview?

https://www.grenfelltowerinquiry.org.uk ... ying_0.pdf

I’ve caught some of the ‘highlights’ and that was bad enough. Sickening.