Trump

[Sandydragon]

Perpetual crisis. Interesting strategy, but in a 15 minute news cycle it could be very effective.

To echo Waspy's point, if Trump were removed then I fear for the consequences. Too many of his key supporters are well armed, spend a lot of time training and already view Washington as the enemy.

[Digby]

Perpetual crisis. Interesting strategy, but in a 15 minute news cycle it could be very effective.

To echo Waspy's point, if Trump were removed then I fear for the consequences. Too many of his key supporters are well armed, spend a lot of time training and already view Washington as the enemy.

You think they're so patriotic they'd march on Washington to attack their own armed forces and new commander in chief? Also there might be the odd fringe lunatic in that camp, but I can't imagine the numbers would be large.

My fear, whether with Trump, or Brexit, or AFD, is when those with resentment don't have Santa (or Corbyn) actually able to deliver on stupid simplistic promises will the political class consider they need to present a more grown up debate, or will someone offer a still more extreme and simplistic piece of nationalistic bollocks which many will vote for?

[Sandydragon]

If they believe that the Washington elite has removed their Commander in Chief and democracy (as they view it) is finished then patriotism could be defined interesting ways. I don't think this is the same as the Confederate States breaking away, but there are a fair few militamen and they have been arming for years. Enough of a threat not to ignore.

I don't think they would march on Washington. more likely their activities would be confined to their home state.

[Digby]

I don't think they have that sort of loyalty to Trump. I think they're invested in one or more ideas such as smaller government, whites first, ban evolution/science from schools, bring religion more into everyday life with events like prayer in school or being anti-choice on abortion, take religion out of everyday life when it's not the Christian faith at issue, anti-immigration, lower taxes, pro guns, cheap provision of expensive social/health care. Providing there are candidates speaking on those issues I think they'd forget Trump 2-3 seconds after the first meme saying You're Fired

[WaspInWales]

There's a website where you can type in Twitter usernames and it tells you what the likelihood is that the account is a Russian bot. I can't find the website anymore and numerous web searches have proved to be fruitful.

10 gold stars to the first person who can find it.

Just to be clear, this is not a website that needs to connect to your Twitter account to check your followers, it just checks on username.

[morepork]

Fuck Twitter.

[WaspInWales]

Fuck Twitter.

0 gold stars

[Sandydragon]

I don't think they have that sort of loyalty to Trump. I think they're invested in one or more ideas such as smaller government, whites first, ban evolution/science from schools, bring religion more into everyday life with events like prayer in school or being anti-choice on abortion, take religion out of everyday life when it's not the Christian faith at issue, anti-immigration, lower taxes, pro guns, cheap provision of expensive social/health care. Providing there are candidates speaking on those issues I think they'd forget Trump 2-3 seconds after the first meme saying You're Fired

To many, this would be the closest they have ever got to getting someone who agrees with them into power. I’m not so sure that they would so easily shrug their shoulders and move on, not unless trump discredit himself to them first.

If nothing else, can you imagine the shyte storm that the alt right media would generate if trump was to be removed by the establishment?

[Digby]

I don't think they have that sort of loyalty to Trump. I think they're invested in one or more ideas such as smaller government, whites first, ban evolution/science from schools, bring religion more into everyday life with events like prayer in school or being anti-choice on abortion, take religion out of everyday life when it's not the Christian faith at issue, anti-immigration, lower taxes, pro guns, cheap provision of expensive social/health care. Providing there are candidates speaking on those issues I think they'd forget Trump 2-3 seconds after the first meme saying You're Fired

To many, this would be the closest they have ever got to getting someone who agrees with them into power. I’m not so sure that they would so easily shrug their shoulders and move on, not unless trump discredit himself to them first.

If nothing else, can you imagine the shyte storm that the alt right media would generate if trump was to be removed by the establishment?

I just struggle to see much happening even with some elements of the media stirring the pot. The overwhelming number might be to the right of me politically, but they're going to think of themselves as good people and not domestic terrorists

[Sandydragon]

I don't think they have that sort of loyalty to Trump. I think they're invested in one or more ideas such as smaller government, whites first, ban evolution/science from schools, bring religion more into everyday life with events like prayer in school or being anti-choice on abortion, take religion out of everyday life when it's not the Christian faith at issue, anti-immigration, lower taxes, pro guns, cheap provision of expensive social/health care. Providing there are candidates speaking on those issues I think they'd forget Trump 2-3 seconds after the first meme saying You're Fired

To many, this would be the closest they have ever got to getting someone who agrees with them into power. I’m not so sure that they would so easily shrug their shoulders and move on, not unless trump discredit himself to them first.

If nothing else, can you imagine the shyte storm that the alt right media would generate if trump was to be removed by the establishment?

I just struggle to see much happening even with some elements of the media stirring the pot. The overwhelming number might be to the right of me politically, but they're going to think of themselves as good people and not domestic terrorists

Good people with a duty to defend their country from a coup? I don’t think it would take too much to convince them.

[Sandydragon]

Well if the North Korean spokesmen are to be taken at face value, NK and USA are now at war. Trumps comments on Twitter about regime change are apparently a formal declaration.

Personally I think that’s pushing the case to extremes by the North Koreans, but it does highlight the stupidity of releasing statement into the public domain via such an unedited means.

[Digby]

To many, this would be the closest they have ever got to getting someone who agrees with them into power. I’m not so sure that they would so easily shrug their shoulders and move on, not unless trump discredit himself to them first.

If nothing else, can you imagine the shyte storm that the alt right media would generate if trump was to be removed by the establishment?

I just struggle to see much happening even with some elements of the media stirring the pot. The overwhelming number might be to the right of me politically, but they're going to think of themselves as good people and not domestic terrorists

Good people with a duty to defend their country from a coup? I don’t think it would take too much to convince them.

Who are these people, and where are they?

There are some border guard nutters, some white supremacists, and maybe some anti-federal government loons who'd not need much convincing. But that's a real fringe element.

Those people who came to Trump in large numbers from say the rust belts who previously might have voted Democrat just aren't going to have an interest in armed insurrection. There are some people trying to claim there'd be a big problem, but they're mostly people lobbying for some of the ideas that drive some of Trump's agenda, and they're claiming they're stoking a fire that I just don't see as being there.

I can see some unpleasant marches, and some appalling language being used. But for most Americans the idea of being a good solid American is really important, and they're not only not going to take against their own they'd be much more inclined to try and stop that

[Sandydragon]

You don’t need that many Digny to come to the conclusion that there has been a coup to cause a major problem. I’m not suggesting anything on the scale of the confederate breakaway, but is be very surprised if all of the militia men out there merely accepted trump being removed from office unless his popularity with them had been undermined first.

[morepork]

Digby, those militia people are completely fucking unreasonable. Red Dawn x10. Do you remember those fruitcakes in Oregon that were forcibly occupying a national park, under arms, in protest at what they saw as government infringement on their grazing rights? What other group in the world would get away with such a thing? They may not stand a chance in cities where people, you know, can read, but they can make life very uncomfortable for people that aren't white in rural towns.

[morepork]

Incidentally, Trump has spoken out about Puerto Rico which has been fucked by a hurricane by stating that the island's poor infrastructure is die to massive debt owed to banks, and you know, that's just too bad for them.

[Mikey Brown]

Incidentally, Trump has spoken out about Puerto Rico which has been fucked by a hurricane by stating that the island's poor infrastructure is die to massive debt owed to banks, and you know, that's just too bad for them.

Don't suppose this helped massively either. https://www.forbes.com/sites/chloesorvi ... ourse/amp/

[Digby]

I'll agree the militias aren't reasonable, but they're tiny in the general scheme of things

[Mikey Brown]

Jesus. Who are these people that make these things?



And why did I think getting a twitter account would do anything other than piss me off?

[Son of Mathonwy]

Jesus. Who are these people that make these things?



And why did I think getting a twitter account would do anything other than piss me off?

The adult in the room.... That's ironic isn't it? Please tell me that's ironic.

[Digby]

Trump finally gets around to making some small effort on the part of Puerto Rico. Though he has been busy trolling peaceful protesters at NFL games and planning a new tax system which bins inheritance tax in a massive windfall to the richest families. He may of course also think Puerto Rico is not the responsibility of the USA

[morepork]

Trumpf went on Faux News this morning and said that NFL owners won't take action against players because the owners "are scared of the players". That's right you Tango donkey, throw gasoline on that burning cross. Fuck me.

[Digby]

Trumpf went on Faux News this morning and said that NFL owners won't take action against players because the owners "are scared of the players". That's right you Tango donkey, throw gasoline on that burning cross. Fuck me.

Does he mean scared of player power, or that many of the players are black and black people are scary?

[morepork]

Trumpf went on Faux News this morning and said that NFL owners won't take action against players because the owners "are scared of the players". That's right you Tango donkey, throw gasoline on that burning cross. Fuck me.

Does he mean scared of player power, or that many of the players are black and black people are scary?

Either or depending on the audience. Historically, the Trumpet has viewed black skin as part of a social strata occupying a place below his lilly white cracker magnificence. That is where the dart is aimed.

[Discreet Hooker]

Trumpf went on Faux News this morning and said that NFL owners won't take action against players because the owners "are scared of the players". That's right you Tango donkey, throw gasoline on that burning cross. Fuck me.

Does he mean scared of player power, or that many of the players are black and black people are scary?

Either or depending on the audience. Historically, the Trumpet has viewed black skin as part of a social strata occupying a place below his lilly white cracker magnificence. That is where the dart is aimed.

Should we be surprised ? His company in its early years ( well one of them ) refused black tenants in new apartments that they had built . The firm was fined . I'm amazed this well known fact isn't trotted out everytime he mentions equality .

[WaspInWales]

Slightly off-topic, but Trump's inability to show genuine compassion or understanding for people who are worse off than himself or are suffering with any kind of disability has been completely 'trumped' by someone else born to privilege recently...

Prince Harry. I'm no fan of the royals, but watching him at the Invictus Games on Toronto has been amazing. The way he communicates with people and the obvious enthusiasm for what he is seeing is really heart warming.