RugbyRebels

It means the sick and infirm have a fucking harsh road ahead. They are an easy scapegoat for "cost" as are the working poor and unemployed.

Clinton, if you couldn't win this one, you should just fuck off quietly. Well done for hounding out any semblance of real policy that might upset how your lobbyists make money currently.

Fuck this. Everyone is a cunt today.

He doesn't believe in climate change. Let that sink in.

morepork wrote:It means the sick and infirm have a fucking harsh road ahead. They are an easy scapegoat for "cost" as are the working poor and unemployed.

Clinton, if you couldn't win this one, you should just fuck off quietly. Well done for hounding out any semblance of real policy that might upset how your lobbyists make money currently.

Fuck this. Everyone is a cunt today.

Yep, the USA doesn't have much in the way of a welfare state today.

But in 4 years there will be nothing left.

I can see the Mexicans building their own wall to keep the poor, starving americans out.

Len wrote:He doesn't believe in climate change. Let that sink in.

Neither does John's Keys. That's why he assigned that scientific luminary Paula Bennett to the portfolio.

Tell you what, the last 4 years of NZ opening the legs and throwing everything behind free trade deals with the USandA is looking a bit fucking shakey now.

The saddest vox-pops on this awful morning are the ones showing the female voters.
Educated, common sense ladies on the verge of tears and sub-normal Sarah Palin/high school homecoming queen types saying 'God, faith and Country' while they froth at the mouth like a rabid dog.

Like falling leaves, the innately stupid are everywhere.

It will be an interesting few months in American politics. His choices for his administration might provide some insight into what will actually be implemented versus what was election rhetoric. I've heard Giuliani is inline to be Attorney General, scary stuff for American citizens. If the US isn't a police state already, lets see where Rudy takes it.

There have been so many worrying promises made in his campaign, "opening up" libel laws to make suing reporters easier, surveillance of US mosques, using torture during interrogation, mass deportation of 11 million people.

Misogyny, racism, denial of climate change, a warped sense of entitlement, massive ego, lack of self control, all wrapped up in pig ignorance. I can see him making any number of deals with special interest groups to the detriment of the future of the American people, and the world for that matter.

I guess we have to wait and see what he actually does, but it's all a bit frightening and depressing.

I honestly do not think people voted TRUMP for "him"... They were voting against the political elite. Give the guy a chance, and start repairing the divides. Period.

Coco wrote:I honestly do not think people voted TRUMP for "him"... They were voting against the political elite. Give the guy a chance, and start repairing the divides. Period.

We don't have any choice, but he's still who he is, and it's worrying.

morepork wrote:

Len wrote:He doesn't believe in climate change. Let that sink in.

Neither does John's Keys. That's why he assigned that scientific luminary Paula Bennett to the portfolio.

Tell you what, the last 4 years of NZ opening the legs and throwing everything behind free trade deals with the USandA is looking a bit fucking shakey now.

NZ is 5 years behind the rest of the world. We started from a more equal, fairer place but have tried our absolute darnedest to play catch up. When I left Auckland there was basically one homeless person and he was a mini-celebrity for it, now the other day I see sleeping in cars is pretty common fare.

If they don't sort their sh*t out and take learnings from what is happening in the UK and the US, they too will have the masses revolt against a boomer generation sitting on the most overpriced property in the western world.

Winston is trying to hang on to still be around when it happens

J Dory wrote:

Coco wrote:I honestly do not think people voted TRUMP for "him"... They were voting against the political elite. Give the guy a chance, and start repairing the divides. Period.

We don't have any choice, but he's still who he is, and it's worrying.

I agree, however, I think everyone's energy is better expended by moving forward and at least giving him a chance to settle in, let his handlers do their job, and let him show what he is really made of. We all may be surprised, who knows? Personally, I would have worried more had Hillary won.

What handlers/ Gulliani and his rich white males mates? There had better be some actual professionals handling him because he is a fucking moron and this could look bad on the international stage. Worse than even currently.

Can't wait till he appoints his sociopathic children to positions of influence.

jared_7 wrote:

morepork wrote:

Len wrote:He doesn't believe in climate change. Let that sink in.

Neither does John's Keys. That's why he assigned that scientific luminary Paula Bennett to the portfolio.

Tell you what, the last 4 years of NZ opening the legs and throwing everything behind free trade deals with the USandA is looking a bit fucking shakey now.

NZ is 5 years behind the rest of the world. We started from a more equal, fairer place but have tried our absolute darnedest to play catch up. When I left Auckland there was basically one homeless person and he was a mini-celebrity for it, now the other day I see sleeping in cars is pretty common fare.

If they don't sort their sh*t out and take learnings from what is happening in the UK and the US, they too will have the masses revolt against a boomer generation sitting on the most overpriced property in the western world.

Winston is trying to hang on to still be around when it happens

That shit is waiting to blow up. Key did the same thing in Ireland with housing. I think the current yoof in NZ is dangerously close to being completely fucked.

morepork wrote:What handlers/ Gulliani and his rich white males mates? There had better be some actual professionals handling him because he is a fucking moron and this could look bad on the international stage. Worse than even currently.

Can't wait till he appoints his sociopathic children to positions of influence.

His Son/Grandson looked like a decent chap during the acceptance speech. Bored, tired, resigned and with a cynical sneer on his face as his elderly relative trotted out the usual twaddle.

Coco wrote:

J Dory wrote:

Coco wrote:I honestly do not think people voted TRUMP for "him"... They were voting against the political elite. Give the guy a chance, and start repairing the divides. Period.

We don't have any choice, but he's still who he is, and it's worrying.

I agree, however, I think everyone's energy is better expended by moving forward and at least giving him a chance to settle in, let his handlers do their job, and let him show what he is really made of. We all may be surprised, who knows? Personally, I would have worried more had Hillary won.

No republican did that for Obama. Why do you think dems will do it for Trump?

rowan wrote:

Buggaluggs wrote:

rowan wrote:Defeating ISIS in 30 days

Sounds like a good plan which the world's major super power could conceivably achieve if they wanted to.

Clinton's not talking about that, however, and quite probably because her major donors are also funding ISIS.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-wont ... ge/5555441

No they're not

Wikileaks and the non-corporate media outlets say they are. Buggalugs on a chat forum says they're not. Hmmm, not sure which way to go with this one...

Neither have said this. You are deluded

Note to Hilldog:

Next campaign must have policy direction over and above "THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING"

oh look,.....more people voted for Hillary.

kk67 wrote:oh look,.....more people voted for Hillary.

And UKIP won more than both the Lib Dems and the Greens. Yet I imagine you weren't complaining about that?
For all the moaning about first past the post, it does keep the extreme fringes at bay. Well, most of the time.

Coco wrote:

cashead wrote:

Coco wrote:Eugene, we want healthcare, just not the healthcare we have now.. It really needs some fine tuning.

Ah, so you're going with the timetested "throw the baby out with the bathwater and then burn the house down with lava" approach.

Say what?

Because as flawed as it may have been, the Affordable Healthcare Act was a step in the right direction, and was a net positive in its current form for literally millions of people. It meant that those who would have been denied affordable healthcare by a broken medical industry plagued by for-profit institutions were given access.

The Republicans have spent the last 8 years either trying to prevent it by spreading misinformation ("Death panels?" Fuck off and go die in a ditch, Sarah Palin, you fucking human locust swarm.), trying to undermine it or trying to kill it off depending on which part of said 8 years. I guess predatory insurance companies pay rather well.

Now that they control both houses and have a president-elect that is openly hostile to it, what do you think is going to happen? 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.

Looks like Clinton has won the popular vote, not that it matters.

Mellsblue wrote:

kk67 wrote:oh look,.....more people voted for Hillary.

And UKIP won more than both the Lib Dems and the Greens. Yet I imagine you weren't complaining about that?
For all the moaning about first past the post, it does keep the extreme fringes at bay. Well, most of the time.

Hmmm. 1988 was the last time the Republicans lost the popular vote and still won.

I think what pisses me off the most is hearing the Rednecks saying that 'America has decided....'.
Isolationist hicks who are either frightened of taking part in the wider world or think we should bomb it to oblivion will be the death of us all.

Buggaluggs wrote:

Coco wrote:

J Dory wrote:
We don't have any choice, but he's still who he is, and it's worrying.

I agree, however, I think everyone's energy is better expended by moving forward and at least giving him a chance to settle in, let his handlers do their job, and let him show what he is really made of. We all may be surprised, who knows? Personally, I would have worried more had Hillary won.

No republican did that for Obama. Why do you think dems will do it for Trump?

They may not, remains to be seen. People on both sides are ready to vote out political elites. If this shocker did anything, I'd hope it was a huge kick in the career politcians asses that people are done with biz as usual. Guess we will see.

Hillary is a scheming nasty walking conflict of interest, but championing an orange reality TV personality with the grace and personality of a masturbating baboon as an agent of positive change is just...



fuck.

kk67 wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

kk67 wrote:oh look,.....more people voted for Hillary.

And UKIP won more than both the Lib Dems and the Greens. Yet I imagine you weren't complaining about that?
For all the moaning about first past the post, it does keep the extreme fringes at bay. Well, most of the time.

Hmmm. 1988 was the last time the Republicans lost the popular vote and still won.

Al Gore would like to have a word with you.

cashead wrote:

Coco wrote:

cashead wrote: Ah, so you're going with the timetested "throw the baby out with the bathwater and then burn the house down with lava" approach.

Say what?

Because as flawed as it may have been, the Affordable Healthcare Act was a step in the right direction, and was a net positive in its current form for literally millions of people. It meant that those who would have been denied affordable healthcare by a broken medical industry plagued by for-profit institutions were given access.

The Republicans have spent the last 8 years either trying to prevent it by spreading misinformation ("Death panels?" Fuck off and go die in a ditch, Sarah Palin, you fucking human locust swarm.), trying to undermine it or trying to kill it off depending on which part of said 8 years. I guess predatory insurance companies pay rather well.

Now that they control both houses and have a president-elect that is openly hostile to it, what do you think is going to happen? 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.

Nobody said it wasnt a step in the right direction cashead. It is not working well for the majority of Americans now, myself included. Im really not sure that you understand how this is affecting businesses, and many Americans. There are more uninsured people now than there was prior to. For myself, my monthly premiums have now exceeded my monthly mortgage payment (which isnt peanuts)...and even then, my insurance will not pay a dime until I have spent $12,000 out of pocket for my deductible. Most people are now in this same boat and have thrown their arms up in frustration... Why even have insurance if it isnt going to pay for much at all? Nothing is free, regardless of what media is spoonfeeding the masses. I dont mind helping pay for somebody elses care but ffs, if I am going to do that, I'd like to know I can afford my own care as well.