Scotland v Argentina

[Big D]

Andy Nicol having a wee dig. "Too slow, too telegraphed" for drop goal.

Anyway, play schite and win. A good skill to have.

Hard to determine who was at fault for the decision - Laidlaw or Russell. The execution is all Russell though and that was pathetic x2. I'd like to see Kinghorn given a go at 10 against Georgia.

Not that I would drop Russell but I'd like to see us adopt a variation on the NZ tour apprentice. it's time to get the young uns like Kinghorn, Gavlet, Hutchinson etc training with the squad.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

Glad to have got the result but we were pathetic.

VC HAS to develop alternatives against Georgia.

He won't because it's a game we absolutely can't lose.

To be fair, given the injuries in the forwards it is hard to see where we can bring people in. 9 and Hoyland/Hughes to the wing? Toolis in from the dark if Richie still out isn't going to happen.

And against Japan in the summer? It goes on and on.

Whatever way you look at it VC has wasted valuable minutes, caps and ultimately extra experience on players that were never going to make the step up or are simply not good enough - Visser, Cowan, Low, Weir, etc. Couple with players that have no competition for their shirt i think we are in a pretty poor place compared to where we could and should be.

[General Zod]

If Australia beat France tonight, do we go above them in the rankings too?

[switchskier]

Fuck it I'll take that. We played fairly error strewn rugby against a side ranked higher than us and somehow conspired to nick it.

Thought Watson and Bradbury were very good the day.

Don't think you can blame Russell for the shambles of that last drop goal. If your half back partner takes a fucking fortnight to pass the ball back to you like that, he may well have been yelling "I'm going to try a drop goal" at the RG's. Actually surprised he didn't dummy it and have a sneaky tilt.

As usual it takes a scrum-half to bring a dose of intellectual realism to proceedings. At the end of the day we won, scored a nice try and most of all didn''t cock it up at the end. After years of watching edinburgh and Scotland I'm willing to take that.

Thought that Bradbury was great for the first half and Watson oddly was great once he went off. Jones is a real find, I'm an absolute convert now and can't understand why no-one picked him up earlier. However Gray jr was the rightful motm (as he is just about every time he plays tbh).

For that last drop goal I was convinced that it was all a big fake and that Russell was going to take off into the acres of space to his right hand side for the wining try. This sort of game does show that he's far better against a really agressive defense where he plays on instinct as opposed to a slower drift where he has time and therefore the brain starts getting in the way (something us fans have never been accused of).

Aregentia remain one of my favourite sides to watch as a neutral and my least favourite side to watch us play against. It's always a niggly, disruptive, messy game against them but at the end of the day they're effectively a club side of international players so it's not surprising that they work so effectively to disrupt the opposition

[Matt Ha]

In a poor game I don't think Russel was all that bad. I just don't know why we (Mr Laidlaw) resort to slowing the ball down so much at rucks, waving around and passing to static forwards, and, a couple of times, taking so long to shift the balls the Pumas managed to interfere.
ps Hope Jones is fine.

[switchskier]

Andy Nicol having a wee dig. "Too slow, too telegraphed" for drop goal.

Anyway, play schite and win. A good skill to have.

Hard to determine who was at fault for the decision - Laidlaw or Russell. The execution is all Russell though and that was pathetic x2. I'd like to see Kinghorn given a go at 10 against Georgia.

Has Kinghorn ever started a professional game at ten? I'd. Be happy to have him in the squad but the shirt is Russell's and someone needs to come and take it off him. There are no other realistic contenders currently, especially if Horne is injured.

[Edinburgh in Exile]

Whenever some ask why there's only one or two Scottish Lions then games like this is the answer.

Valid point, but I think a lot of the legitimate eyebrow raising about that come from games like the one about and hour prior to ours not beings being held up to the same level of scrutiny.

[Big D]

Whenever some ask why there's only one or two Scottish Lions then games like this is the answer.

Valid point, but I think a lot of the legitimate eyebrow raising about that come from games like the one about and hour prior to ours not beings being held up to the same level of scrutiny.

Fair point, but we tend to have more of them.

[Edinburgh in Exile]

Whenever some ask why there's only one or two Scottish Lions then games like this is the answer.

Valid point, but I think a lot of the legitimate eyebrow raising about that come from games like the one about and hour prior to ours not beings being held up to the same level of scrutiny.

Fair point, but we tend to have more of them.

Aye, can't argue with that.

[whatisthejava]

Amazed gilchrist isn't getting slagged off, looked completely lost and out of position most of the time.

[hp18]

Whenever some ask why there's only one or two Scottish Lions then games like this is the answer.

Valid point, but I think a lot of the legitimate eyebrow raising about that come from games like the one about and hour prior to ours not beings being held up to the same level of scrutiny.

What the shortarse said.


Wales Japan was even worse but they'll make up the bulk of the squad.



Hopefully this puts this week's sickening hero worship of Vern to bed.

[Big D]

Whenever some ask why there's only one or two Scottish Lions then games like this is the answer.

Valid point, but I think a lot of the legitimate eyebrow raising about that come from games like the one about and hour prior to ours not beings being held up to the same level of scrutiny.

What the shortarse said.


Wales Japan was even worse but they'll make up the bulk of the squad.



Hopefully this puts this week's sickening hero worship of Vern to bed.

As I said to EiE I don't disagree with that. But we do have more of these games and often loose them.

You're right about the hero worship.

[Big D]

Amazed gilchrist isn't getting slagged off, looked completely lost and out of position most of the time.

He was a mile off the pace last week too.

A lot of Edinburgh fans (and I agree) wouldn't have him ahead of Toolis and Bresler when fit for club.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

Amazed gilchrist isn't getting slagged off, looked completely lost and out of position most of the time.

He was a mile off the pace last week too.

A lot of Edinburgh fans (and I agree) wouldn't have him ahead of Toolis and Bresler when fit for club.

Toolis is yet another player who has been shafted by VC.

[Big D]

Next week we need to get our centres the ball more. I can't remember too many times they actually got the ball. We can see from the try they can make something from little.

[Cameo]

Andy Nicol having a wee dig. "Too slow, too telegraphed" for drop goal.

Anyway, play schite and win. A good skill to have.

Hard to determine who was at fault for the decision - Laidlaw or Russell. The execution is all Russell though and that was pathetic x2. I'd like to see Kinghorn given a go at 10 against Georgia.

That would be nonsense. He hasnt played there for months and when has hasnt looked great. We werent good today but one thing we have done is try new players this series

[whatisthejava]

Amazed gilchrist isn't getting slagged off, looked completely lost and out of position most of the time.

He was a mile off the pace last week too.

A lot of Edinburgh fans (and I agree) wouldn't have him ahead of Toolis and Bresler when fit for club.

Toolis is yet another player who has been shafted by VC.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

Andy Nicol having a wee dig. "Too slow, too telegraphed" for drop goal.

Anyway, play schite and win. A good skill to have.

Hard to determine who was at fault for the decision - Laidlaw or Russell. The execution is all Russell though and that was pathetic x2. I'd like to see Kinghorn given a go at 10 against Georgia.

That would be nonsense. He hasnt played there for months and when has hasnt looked great. We werent good today but one thing we have done is try new players this series

Who are we developing to keep Russell on his toes then? Frankly he looks and plays like a man who knows his shirt is safe.

[Cameo]

You dont develop players from scratch in internationals

[Cameo]

And Russel plays like our best 10 for a while. Not perfect but 1 drop kick (/2) doesnt chamge that. You cant assume someone doesnt try and improve just because they look like theyre enjoying themselves

[Cameo]

I think some of you are a bit deluded about how good we are. Yeah i was disappointed with today but we defended well and dominated the last 25. Argentina werent great but are ranked above us for a reason. I dont think we should be chucking away the baby with the bathwater of a promising young side. As for bringing through players, did i not just see a pack with about a hundred caps between them?

[Big D]

Hard to determine who was at fault for the decision - Laidlaw or Russell. The execution is all Russell though and that was pathetic x2. I'd like to see Kinghorn given a go at 10 against Georgia.

That would be nonsense. He hasnt played there for months and when has hasnt looked great. We werent good today but one thing we have done is try new players this series

Who are we developing to keep Russell on his toes then? Frankly he looks and plays like a man who knows his shirt is safe.

The clubs have to develop players to close to looking like international standard in a position like 10. Kinghorn rarely plays 10 for Edinburgh (3rd choice), Wasn't 1st choice 10 for the 20s last year and is developing braw at full back.

10 and TH are 2 positions that clearly struggle from only having 2 pro sides.

The best performing 10 at Edinburgh is Welsh.

Our u20 10 is 3rd choice at Bath. Jackson and Weir are known flaky quantities. Horne is a 12 who can play 10 as things stand. Wee Tam just isn't up to it. And we lost a previous u20 10 as he decided he was Italian again.

It really would have been the time for Allan to step.up if he wasn't Italian or shite.

[Mikey Brown]

I've got to say when Vern's masterstroke was bringing on Moray Low and Ryan Wilson (I thought Bradbury was settling in nicely) I thought the game was over.

What's the deal with Dunbar? I've suspected he's better at 13 in general but does he look a bit stodgy at the moment or am I being unfair as he is bogged down with so much heavy lifting?

[Tobylerone]

That would be nonsense. He hasnt played there for months and when has hasnt looked great. We werent good today but one thing we have done is try new players this series

Who are we developing to keep Russell on his toes then? Frankly he looks and plays like a man who knows his shirt is safe.

The clubs have to develop players to close to looking like international standard in a position like 10. Kinghorn rarely plays 10 for Edinburgh (3rd choice), Wasn't 1st choice 10 for the 20s last year and is developing braw at full back.

10 and TH are 2 positions that clearly struggle from only having 2 pro sides.

The best performing 10 at Edinburgh is Welsh.

Our u20 10 is 3rd choice at Bath. Jackson and Weir are known flaky quantities. Horne is a 12 who can play 10 as things stand. Wee Tam just isn't up to it. And we lost a previous u20 10 as he decided he was Italian again.

It really would have been the time for Allan to step.up if he wasn't Italian or shite.

Aye, we`re Dooomed , Dooooomed, Ah tell ye..

[Big D]

Who are we developing to keep Russell on his toes then? Frankly he looks and plays like a man who knows his shirt is safe.

The clubs have to develop players to close to looking like international standard in a position like 10. Kinghorn rarely plays 10 for Edinburgh (3rd choice), Wasn't 1st choice 10 for the 20s last year and is developing braw at full back.

10 and TH are 2 positions that clearly struggle from only having 2 pro sides.

The best performing 10 at Edinburgh is Welsh.

Our u20 10 is 3rd choice at Bath. Jackson and Weir are known flaky quantities. Horne is a 12 who can play 10 as things stand. Wee Tam just isn't up to it. And we lost a previous u20 10 as he decided he was Italian again.

It really would have been the time for Allan to step.up if he wasn't Italian or shite.

Aye, we`re Dooomed , Dooooomed, Ah tell ye..

Wasn't suggesting we were? Just giving reasons why it may appear we have no one coming through behind Russell.

I suspect Hastings might be the one but where he gets gametime may be a sticky issue. Hopefully Bath bin priestland.

All things considered, upon reflection I'm happier with them winning playing poorly rather than losing playing well.