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Which Tyler wrote:

Stom wrote:I just call myself a humanist. I believe humans should be treated like… humans.

And all policies should be made with the aim of treating humans better.

I'm far too much of a misanthropist for that. Humanity is an absolute scourge on this planet, and I'd happily see the population reduce to circa 500million.
It's "just" that there should be no favouritism/privilege between individuals of that population

Thank you Thanos.

Puja

Puja wrote:Thank you Thanos.

Guy's a pipsqueak - 50%? I ask you! Need 90-95% extermination (though I much prefer the "Utopia" solution to actual extermination)

Well apparently homosexuality is heading down an evolutionary cul-de-sac thanks to whoremoans and waked and sharks with fricking laser beams.

No, ‘woke’ culture war isn’t the biggest dividing line in Britain

Puja

Puja wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Puja wrote: I love the phrase "political correctness." Originally comes from a snide comment from one leftist to another about overly trying to be on board with doctrine, and then taken on by the right to define a terrible problem that needed immediate battling and creating an enemy doctrine that didn't actually exist, replete with fictional "Baa Baa Green Sheep" anecdotes for colour. Now it just appears to mean, "making a minimum effort to be considerate to other people," which is... still a terrible problem to be fought against according to some?

My main enjoyment of it is as an effective shorthand for deciding if someone's worth paying attention to. Complaining about "woke" or "cancel culture" are rapidly joining it as conversational red flags as well.

Puja

I think I was a bit late to the woke party. I heard of anti-woke before I noticed woke.

So if someone mentions woke to me I usually ask for a definition, or what they mean by that term. Otherwise it's just an excuse to stop thinking and disregard/hate (or respect, depending on your viewpoint).

Woke was again originally a jokey term used by leftists to mock people who were trying too hard, before being declared by dickheads as being an actual ideology that needed to be fought against.

If you think about, no-one ever claims "politically correct" or "woke" as an identity (well, sometimes as a joke) - they've never been groupings that people want to be a part of, they're just things which are defined by angry wankers claiming they're against all those people who are for it.

Puja

Evidence for how unhelpful the term 'woke' is (unless you're a culture warrior and/or culture secretary).

Basically, there's so little agreement on its meaning that it can only cause misunderstanding (and possibly incoherent rage) to discuss it (unless it's carefully defined at the outset).

To begin with 59% of Brits say they don't understand the term. And I'm not fully convinced that the other 41% actually do know what it means, since 9% of self-described non-woke people think the Daily Mail is woke(!).

Then there's systematic disagreement on the meaning of the term between self-described woke and non-woke individuals eg 59% of woke people think that one aspect of woke is 'supporting racial equality', whereas only 23% of non-woke people think the same. So it's a disaster to have a discussion across the divide using the term. Far better to discuss the underlying issues themselves.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... an-britons

Unless of course, you're stoking culture wars amongst indignant Mail readers, in which case woke is just the new 'loony left'.

If Labour have any sense they'll avoid the term and, if questioned, ask for a definition or only talk about the underlying issues of discrimination etc.

What position on the political spectrum do you need to inhabit in order for the Daily Mail to be considered woke?

Sandydragon wrote:What position on the political spectrum do you need to inhabit in order for the Daily Mail to be considered woke?

This Tory government.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Puja wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: I think I was a bit late to the woke party. I heard of anti-woke before I noticed woke.

So if someone mentions woke to me I usually ask for a definition, or what they mean by that term. Otherwise it's just an excuse to stop thinking and disregard/hate (or respect, depending on your viewpoint).

Woke was again originally a jokey term used by leftists to mock people who were trying too hard, before being declared by dickheads as being an actual ideology that needed to be fought against.

If you think about, no-one ever claims "politically correct" or "woke" as an identity (well, sometimes as a joke) - they've never been groupings that people want to be a part of, they're just things which are defined by angry wankers claiming they're against all those people who are for it.

Puja

Evidence for how unhelpful the term 'woke' is (unless you're a culture warrior and/or culture secretary).

Basically, there's so little agreement on its meaning that it can only cause misunderstanding (and possibly incoherent rage) to discuss it (unless it's carefully defined at the outset).

To begin with 59% of Brits say they don't understand the term. And I'm not fully convinced that the other 41% actually do know what it means, since 9% of self-described non-woke people think the Daily Mail is woke(!).

Then there's systematic disagreement on the meaning of the term between self-described woke and non-woke individuals eg 59% of woke people think that one aspect of woke is 'supporting racial equality', whereas only 23% of non-woke people think the same. So it's a disaster to have a discussion across the divide using the term. Far better to discuss the underlying issues themselves.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... an-britons

Unless of course, you're stoking culture wars amongst indignant Mail readers, in which case woke is just the new 'loony left'.

If Labour have any sense they'll avoid the term and, if questioned, ask for a definition or only talk about the underlying issues of discrimination etc.

That article used the word woke so many times that my eyes are starting to question whether it's a real word on not.

Puja

Someone got paid to conduct a study of a lyric in a Leadbelly song.

morepork wrote:Someone got paid to conduct a study of a lyric in a Leadbelly song.

People get paid to study all sorts of wild things. Got shown this the other day:
Puja

Puja wrote:Puja

Remember, people deliberately try to win the igNoble award.

Even this, is genuine

"Woke" is a term that was originally used among black activism, so please keep that in mind when you mock it.

cashead wrote:"Woke" is a term that was originally used among black activism, so please keep that in mind when you mock it.

Fair point and duly noted. Do you think it can possibly be reclaimed now or is it best abandoned?

Puja

Just use whatever terms you want, I reckon. Most of the people that object to the word are shitheads who's opinions no one should care about. You know, the same kind of people that would use "SJW" as a pejorative. "Oh nooooo, I make the effort to be socially conscious and give a toss about social justice. A bloo bloo bloo." Like, why would I care what someone like that thinks about me?

Stom wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:What position on the political spectrum do you need to inhabit in order for the Daily Mail to be considered woke?

This Tory government.

Fair point

cashead wrote:"Woke" is a term that was originally used among black activism, so please keep that in mind when you mock it.

I don't want to mock it, but if most people don't understand the term and those who think they do disagree with each other about what it means, then it's not helpful.

Not photoshopped by all accounts.

On a more serious note, Zelenskyy has said that the govt will look to legalise same sex civil partnerships.

Have fun everyone who will celebrate tomorrow. Here the party is unavoidable.

Always so many different flags, it's hard to keep up with what means what.