Australia vs England - Third Test

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Care off? Yanked?
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Smith's defence has been poor too.
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Care's England career done then? Unless he's actually injured
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Raggs wrote:England's defence has been poor.
FTFY
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steward doing good work but we arent taking advantage.

shepherds crook for Care. Fair enough tbh
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Epaminondas Pules wrote:Steward is having a good game going forwards.
Yep. He’s started to bolt on the bits in attack that were, and still are, needed.
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Which Tyler wrote:
Raggs wrote:England's defence has been poor.
FTFY
yep,they have analysed it well
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Which Tyler wrote:
Raggs wrote:England's defence has been poor.
FTFY
Take away the big misses from Porter and Smith and our defence wouldn't look as bad at all I suspect. 2 individuals missing a lot of tackles is going to make any system struggle.
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Lawes (who is not that good at the breakdown) with another great breakdown penalty! ;)
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Epaminondas Pules wrote:Steward is having a good game going forwards.
yep, we arent supporting well
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Epaminondas Pules wrote:Lawes (who is not that good at the breakdown) with another great breakdown penalty! ;)
When was this last leveled at him?
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Fucking come on!!! We actually played sensibly close to the line!
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good try. Steward earned that. well done freeman and jvp
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Raggs wrote:
Epaminondas Pules wrote:Lawes (who is not that good at the breakdown) with another great breakdown penalty! ;)
When was this last leveled at him?
Before the first test. I’m being tongue in cheek as he’s been excellent.
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Raggs wrote:
Epaminondas Pules wrote:Lawes (who is not that good at the breakdown) with another great breakdown penalty! ;)
When was this last leveled at him?
Ask Puja and P/D.
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Going in in the lead is fantastic considering how largely poor we’ve been.
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Raggs wrote:
Which Tyler wrote:
Raggs wrote:England's defence has been poor.
FTFY
Take away the big misses from Porter and Smith and our defence wouldn't look as bad at all I suspect. 2 individuals missing a lot of tackles is going to make any system struggle.
i dont agree- theyve been making easy yards wide and also popping back inside. Smith\Porter flying up just isnt working. You are also right about a lot of missed tackles- 30%,

Greenwood just analysing the disjoints
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Yep. Very lucky.
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Lucky for England that Australia are so sloppy. They should have built a nice lead in the first 15 mins.
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Raggs wrote:
Which Tyler wrote:
Raggs wrote:England's defence has been poor.
FTFY
Take away the big misses from Porter and Smith and our defence wouldn't look as bad at all I suspect. 2 individuals missing a lot of tackles is going to make any system struggle.
Care too
Yeah... Take out the poor defensive display from half of our backline, and our defence looks okay....

Take out 8-9 missed tackles, and our tackle completion rate looks fine...
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Banquo wrote:
Raggs wrote:
Which Tyler wrote: FTFY
Take away the big misses from Porter and Smith and our defence wouldn't look as bad at all I suspect. 2 individuals missing a lot of tackles is going to make any system struggle.
i dont agree- theyve been making easy yards wide and also popping back inside. Smith\Porter flying up just isnt working. You are also right about a lot of missed tackles- 30%,

Greenwood just analysing the disjoints
I don't mind the pressure misses, there was one where Porter flew across to stop korobete taking the outside, got stepped inside and promptly tackled by the inside defence. But Porter has now missed some straight up one on ones. Smith is getting bumped over too. Ford loses yards but very rarely actually misses, he soaks and gets them down, Smith is missing.
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Which Tyler wrote:
Raggs wrote:
Which Tyler wrote: FTFY
Take away the big misses from Porter and Smith and our defence wouldn't look as bad at all I suspect. 2 individuals missing a lot of tackles is going to make any system struggle.
Care too
Yeah... Take out the pot defensive display from half of our backline, and our defence looks okay....

Take out 8-9 missed tackles, and our tackle completion rate looks fine...
quite. The missed tackles are a bit of a function of the system which isnt coping. All the midfield are missing them- they need to reset and defend as a unit
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Raggs wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Raggs wrote:
Take away the big misses from Porter and Smith and our defence wouldn't look as bad at all I suspect. 2 individuals missing a lot of tackles is going to make any system struggle.
i dont agree- theyve been making easy yards wide and also popping back inside. Smith\Porter flying up just isnt working. You are also right about a lot of missed tackles- 30%,

Greenwood just analysing the disjoints
I don't mind the pressure misses, there was one where Porter flew across to stop korobete taking the outside, got stepped inside and promptly tackled by the inside defence. But Porter has now missed some straight up one on ones. Smith is getting bumped over too. Ford loses yards but very rarely actually misses, he soaks and gets them down, Smith is missing.
its systemic problems, compounded by missed tackles imo Greenwood nailed it- wrong system for this attack.
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Banquo wrote:
Raggs wrote:
Banquo wrote: i dont agree- theyve been making easy yards wide and also popping back inside. Smith\Porter flying up just isnt working. You are also right about a lot of missed tackles- 30%,

Greenwood just analysing the disjoints
I don't mind the pressure misses, there was one where Porter flew across to stop korobete taking the outside, got stepped inside and promptly tackled by the inside defence. But Porter has now missed some straight up one on ones. Smith is getting bumped over too. Ford loses yards but very rarely actually misses, he soaks and gets them down, Smith is missing.
its systemic problems, compounded by missed tackles imo Greenwood nailed it- wrong system for this attack.
Him missing a straight on one on one with Korobeite (I think) where there was no massive step etc, was just a bad miss. Nothing to do with the system. Same with Smith getting repeatedly run over, and even having Lolesio (sp?) just throw him away with no momentum.
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Banquo wrote:
Raggs wrote:
Which Tyler wrote: FTFY
Take away the big misses from Porter and Smith and our defence wouldn't look as bad at all I suspect. 2 individuals missing a lot of tackles is going to make any system struggle.
i dont agree- theyve been making easy yards wide and also popping back inside. Smith\Porter flying up just isnt working. You are also right about a lot of missed tackles- 30%,

Greenwood just analysing the disjoints
Indeed. There is plenty of poor play right across the team. A few nice moments but generally this is second rate rugby. The ridiculous water break was about the only time we looked like a side with a game plan.
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