Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:06 pm
Seems comparable to Major and Brown, at least toward the end of their tenures. May moved quickly to such point by starting like it was the end of her tenureWhich Tyler wrote:Have we ever had such a week PM?..
Where did you hear this?!?!? Hunt is incredibly highly thought of and the only move he was making was a promotion - possibly chancellor until Hammond saved himself at the budget or Chairman. Anything else is rubbish. No idea how his new/added role came about but it makes sense. Hopefully, it'll be reflected in policy rather than just being a pointless rebranding.Which Tyler wrote: her Health Secretary not only refuses to be fired in a reshuffle, but actually adds to his brief...
And who is this? Greening? She went kicking and screaming - she was desperate to hold on to Education. She quit after being offered a demotion. Also, her most prominent female is Rudd. I'm no fan of May but lets try and stick to facts.Which Tyler wrote: The reshuffle to bring in more females results in her most prominent female quitting in protest....
By who and for what reason?Mellsblue wrote:Where did you hear this?!?!? Hunt is incredibly highly thought of and the only move he was making was a promotion - possibly chancellor until Hammond saved himself at the budget or Chairman. Anything else is rubbish. No idea how his new/added role came about but it makes sense. Hopefully, it'll be reflected in policy rather than just being a pointless rebranding.Which Tyler wrote: her Health Secretary not only refuses to be fired in a reshuffle, but actually adds to his brief...
The powers (mostly) that be in the Conservative party, for being a Conservative Health Secretary dealing with what he's had to deal with and not being hounded out. Most think he's done a good job in a bad situation not of his making (the reorg of his hapless predecessor), and that he has pushed through necessary but controversial reforms - junior doctors, performance tables and moving (slowly) away from the secretive culture over mistakes/witch-hunt of whistle blowers to a proactive reporting system, to name the most important.Digby wrote:By who and for what reason?Mellsblue wrote:Where did you hear this?!?!? Hunt is incredibly highly thought of and the only move he was making was a promotion - possibly chancellor until Hammond saved himself at the budget or Chairman. Anything else is rubbish. No idea how his new/added role came about but it makes sense. Hopefully, it'll be reflected in policy rather than just being a pointless rebranding.Which Tyler wrote: her Health Secretary not only refuses to be fired in a reshuffle, but actually adds to his brief...
Ah. Well if the powers that be like him I suppose that's something. I've never met anyone in the NHS or civil service (or indeed anywhere else) with a nice word to say about him, not even a neutral word tbhMellsblue wrote:The powers (mostly) that be in the Conservative party, for being a Conservative Health Secretary dealing with what he's had to deal with and not being hounded out. Most think he's done a good job in a bad situation not of his making (the reorg of his hapless predecessor), and that he has pushed through necessary but controversial reforms - junior doctors, performance tables and moving (slowly) away from the secretive culture over mistakes/witch-hunt of whistle blowers to a proactive reporting system, to name the most important.Digby wrote:By who and for what reason?Mellsblue wrote: Where did you hear this?!?!? Hunt is incredibly highly thought of and the only move he was making was a promotion - possibly chancellor until Hammond saved himself at the budget or Chairman. Anything else is rubbish. No idea how his new/added role came about but it makes sense. Hopefully, it'll be reflected in policy rather than just being a pointless rebranding.
He is/would be seen as a potential leader if it weren't for the fact he dared to take on the NHS sacred cow and has therefore now become too toxic.
Seeing as we were talking about a Conservative govt party reshuffle, and the insinuation that Hunt was to be sacked, I assumed that it was implicit that when saying 'Hunt is incredibly highly thought of' I was talking about the power brokers in the Conservative party.Digby wrote:Ah. Well if the powers that be like him I suppose that's something. I've never met anyone in the NHS or civil service (or indeed anywhere else) with a nice word to say about him, not even a neutral word tbhMellsblue wrote:The powers (mostly) that be in the Conservative party, for being a Conservative Health Secretary dealing with what he's had to deal with and not being hounded out. Most think he's done a good job in a bad situation not of his making (the reorg of his hapless predecessor), and that he has pushed through necessary but controversial reforms - junior doctors, performance tables and moving (slowly) away from the secretive culture over mistakes/witch-hunt of whistle blowers to a proactive reporting system, to name the most important.Digby wrote:
By who and for what reason?
He is/would be seen as a potential leader if it weren't for the fact he dared to take on the NHS sacred cow and has therefore now become too toxic.
Since when May has vacillated, and Corbyn has done..., well nothing. Go figureMellsblue wrote:I think it was during the autumn.
Yep. Not really sure what has changed since then to put don’t know in to second.Digby wrote:Since when May has vacillated, and Corbyn has done..., well nothing. Go figureMellsblue wrote:I think it was during the autumn.
There seemed to be some illusion that Corbyn was going to oppose Brexit, which has been thoroughly disabused.Mellsblue wrote:Yep. Not really sure what has changed since then to put don’t know in to second.Digby wrote:Since when May has vacillated, and Corbyn has done..., well nothing. Go figureMellsblue wrote:I think it was during the autumn.
Corbyn is probably more pro leaving than May, but being in opposition he's felt he didn't need to do anything. Whether Corbyn can keep his pro EU youth vote now they've confirmed stealing private firms as the core of the next manifesto I don't know, it does rather give the game away he's anti EU, but that should have been clear to anyone impressed with him from some time backBanquo wrote:There seemed to be some illusion that Corbyn was going to oppose Brexit, which has been thoroughly disabused.Mellsblue wrote:Yep. Not really sure what has changed since then to put don’t know in to second.Digby wrote:
Since when May has vacillated, and Corbyn has done..., well nothing. Go figure
Yes, obviously, apart from those who thought Labour were going to ride to the rescue. As you say, Labour seemingly don't have to do anything save watch the Tories fck everything up. Surprising they've done any more than reveal their pet strategy, but McDonnell looks to now believe its in the bag and can state some policies. We shall see..Digby wrote:Corbyn is probably more pro leaving than May, but being in opposition he's felt he didn't need to do anything. Whether Corbyn can keep his pro EU youth vote now they've confirmed stealing private firms as the core of the next manifesto I don't know, it does rather give the game away he's anti EU, but that should have been clear to anyone impressed with him from some time backBanquo wrote:There seemed to be some illusion that Corbyn was going to oppose Brexit, which has been thoroughly disabused.Mellsblue wrote: Yep. Not really sure what has changed since then to put don’t know in to second.
As an intellectual argument this might get interesting, so far it's been leaver Vs remainer but increasingly we're now going to get the more rabid Brexiters take on each other, 'cause there's no way Corbyn's take on what's needed equates to Mogg's. Sadly it's not only an intellectual argument and it'll play out in reality.
I wonder as an aside how much we've already spent on Brexit without anything actually happening?
Yet Corbyn is behind May and the parties are within the margin of error.Banquo wrote:As you say, Labour seemingly don't have to do anything save watch the Tories fck everything up.Digby wrote:Corbyn is probably more pro leaving than May, but being in opposition he's felt he didn't need to do anything. Whether Corbyn can keep his pro EU youth vote now they've confirmed stealing private firms as the core of the next manifesto I don't know, it does rather give the game away he's anti EU, but that should have been clear to anyone impressed with him from some time backBanquo wrote: There seemed to be some illusion that Corbyn was going to oppose Brexit, which has been thoroughly disabused.
As an intellectual argument this might get interesting, so far it's been leaver Vs remainer but increasingly we're now going to get the more rabid Brexiters take on each other, 'cause there's no way Corbyn's take on what's needed equates to Mogg's. Sadly it's not only an intellectual argument and it'll play out in reality.
I wonder as an aside how much we've already spent on Brexit without anything actually happening?
odd innit, but 3-4 years hence, the UK won't be U or K, and government by spreadsheet and brexit will make this an even bleaker place.Mellsblue wrote:Yet Corbyn is behind May and the parties are within the margin of error.Banquo wrote:As you say, Labour seemingly don't have to do anything save watch the Tories fck everything up.Digby wrote:
Corbyn is probably more pro leaving than May, but being in opposition he's felt he didn't need to do anything. Whether Corbyn can keep his pro EU youth vote now they've confirmed stealing private firms as the core of the next manifesto I don't know, it does rather give the game away he's anti EU, but that should have been clear to anyone impressed with him from some time back
As an intellectual argument this might get interesting, so far it's been leaver Vs remainer but increasingly we're now going to get the more rabid Brexiters take on each other, 'cause there's no way Corbyn's take on what's needed equates to Mogg's. Sadly it's not only an intellectual argument and it'll play out in reality.
I wonder as an aside how much we've already spent on Brexit without anything actually happening?
More errors than the Quins defence against Wasps tbhMellsblue wrote: the parties are within the margin of error.