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Midi Olympique are speculating this morning about Julian Montoya attracting the interest of Top14 clubs.
I don't know when his current contract at Leicester expires but who'd blame him for heading this side of the Channel?

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:54 am Midi Olympique are speculating this morning about Julian Montoya attracting the interest of Top14 clubs.
I don't know when his current contract at Leicester expires but who'd blame him for heading this side of the Channel?

He's one of the best hookers in the world, a tendency to balls up the occasional lineout the only thing from being the best going. There's always going to be interest in him, Tigers will be desperate to keep him as well.

I might be wrong but I thought one of the reasons he went to Western Force (or was supposed to go to Western Force) and then Tigers after the Jags went under and not to France was that he spoke a bit of English but didn't know any French. His English is now very good and his family are settled. At 30 though he'll be looked for a hefty three year deal to make the best economic sense of his remaining best years.

FKAS wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:35 am

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:54 am Midi Olympique are speculating this morning about Julian Montoya attracting the interest of Top14 clubs.
I don't know when his current contract at Leicester expires but who'd blame him for heading this side of the Channel?

He's one of the best hookers in the world, a tendency to balls up the occasional lineout the only thing from being the best going. There's always going to be interest in him, Tigers will be desperate to keep him as well.

I might be wrong but I thought one of the reasons he went to Western Force (or was supposed to go to Western Force) and then Tigers after the Jags went under and not to France was that he spoke a bit of English but didn't know any French. His English is now very good and his family are settled. At 30 though he'll be looked for a hefty three year deal to make the best economic sense of his remaining best years.

I mean, is knowing French *really* a necessity for communicating within some T14 teams nowadays?

Puja

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:49 am

FKAS wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:35 am

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:54 am Midi Olympique are speculating this morning about Julian Montoya attracting the interest of Top14 clubs.
I don't know when his current contract at Leicester expires but who'd blame him for heading this side of the Channel?

He's one of the best hookers in the world, a tendency to balls up the occasional lineout the only thing from being the best going. There's always going to be interest in him, Tigers will be desperate to keep him as well.

I might be wrong but I thought one of the reasons he went to Western Force (or was supposed to go to Western Force) and then Tigers after the Jags went under and not to France was that he spoke a bit of English but didn't know any French. His English is now very good and his family are settled. At 30 though he'll be looked for a hefty three year deal to make the best economic sense of his remaining best years.

I mean, is knowing French *really* a necessity for communicating within some T14 teams nowadays?

Puja

Non!

Depends where in France you are, might be fine in the club environment but going out and about with the family not speaking the language can be a barrier. I'm hoping Montoya sees it as that and opts to stay in Leicestershire.

Tigers won't be able to compete on price. Montoya is on a decent whack already and the French clubs won't be going lower.

I was attempting to be funny, rather than a serious suggestion. I hope we don't lose him, but I couldn't blame him for topping up his pension - he's been a good servant to the club. I don't think either FTT or Vanes will be ready to step up for next season though (and Clare is an honest trier rather than anything else), so it'd leave us having to go shopping again.

Puja

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:24 am I was attempting to be funny, rather than a serious suggestion. I hope we don't lose him, but I couldn't blame him for topping up his pension - he's been a good servant to the club. I don't think either FTT or Vanes will be ready to step up for next season though (and Clare is an honest trier rather than anything else), so it'd leave us having to go shopping again.

Puja

Vanes is 23 so when will he be ready?

Banquo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:30 am

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:24 am I was attempting to be funny, rather than a serious suggestion. I hope we don't lose him, but I couldn't blame him for topping up his pension - he's been a good servant to the club. I don't think either FTT or Vanes will be ready to step up for next season though (and Clare is an honest trier rather than anything else), so it'd leave us having to go shopping again.

Puja

Vanes is 23 so when will he be ready?

Sadly, I don't get to watch Tigers as often as I would like (although I should be on the terrace for the Glaws game), but I''ve always thought that Clare was a more than able deputy. Can't comment on Vanes, but at 23 shouldn't he be banging on the door?

Clare is a solid back up. Good work rate, good set piece and this season he's managed a couple of nice carries in the tight. Outside of the tight exchanges he a non-entity though. Vanes played at the weekend and looked similar to Clare but younger. FTT is a similar age and is a different type of hooker, he's mobile, abrasive and goes after the breakdown an additional backrow almost. They can all do a job at Prem level.

All of them are a massive step down on Montoya though. Sure Tigers could promote internally but we would be weaker as a result. Montoya is great in both the right and the loose. He's a good carrier, good hands, great at the breakdown. He's the best bits of our other three hookers and then some. Looking at the rest of the league I don't think there's another hooker you take over Montoya (George being the closest competition) and that's the problem.

Pollard's contract also up for renewal. Tigers could potentially have a huge amount of cap to play with of neither opts to stay.

Banquo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:30 am

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:24 am I was attempting to be funny, rather than a serious suggestion. I hope we don't lose him, but I couldn't blame him for topping up his pension - he's been a good servant to the club. I don't think either FTT or Vanes will be ready to step up for next season though (and Clare is an honest trier rather than anything else), so it'd leave us having to go shopping again.

Puja

Vanes is 23 so when will he be ready?

I mean, I'd like him to have more than 4 Premiership/HEC appearances. It's entirely possible that he won't ever be ready and he's just not good enough for this level - the fact that he's so far down the pecking order for Leicester suggests that he's not banging on the door. It is entirely possible that he's a late bloomer/wasn't like by McKellar, Wigglesworth or Borthwick, and will flourish this season, but at the moment, I'm not sitting here saying that I'm confident he will own the 2 shirt if Montoya leaves.

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:42 amSadly, I don't get to watch Tigers as often as I would like (although I should be on the terrace for the Glaws game), but I''ve always thought that Clare was a more than able deputy. Can't comment on Vanes, but at 23 shouldn't he be banging on the door?

Clare is a good deputy and a solid squad player, but I wouldn't be pleased if he was our first choice hooker. He's the kind of player that we should be expecting our youngsters to surpass, and the fact that he does not appear to be remotely threatened by FTT or Vanes in the coaches' eyes is not encouraging.

Puja

If Vanes doesn’t move to Vannes then why are we even bothering.

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:17 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:30 am

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:24 am I was attempting to be funny, rather than a serious suggestion. I hope we don't lose him, but I couldn't blame him for topping up his pension - he's been a good servant to the club. I don't think either FTT or Vanes will be ready to step up for next season though (and Clare is an honest trier rather than anything else), so it'd leave us having to go shopping again.

Puja

Vanes is 23 so when will he be ready?

I mean, I'd like him to have more than 4 Premiership/HEC appearances. It's entirely possible that he won't ever be ready and he's just not good enough for this level - the fact that he's so far down the pecking order for Leicester suggests that he's not banging on the door. It is entirely possible that he's a late bloomer/wasn't like by McKellar, Wigglesworth or Borthwick, and will flourish this season, but at the moment, I'm not sitting here saying that I'm confident he will own the 2 shirt if Montoya leaves.

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:42 amSadly, I don't get to watch Tigers as often as I would like (although I should be on the terrace for the Glaws game), but I''ve always thought that Clare was a more than able deputy. Can't comment on Vanes, but at 23 shouldn't he be banging on the door?

Clare is a good deputy and a solid squad player, but I wouldn't be pleased if he was our first choice hooker. He's the kind of player that we should be expecting our youngsters to surpass, and the fact that he does not appear to be remotely threatened by FTT or Vanes in the coaches' eyes is not encouraging.

Puja

Its in Tigers gift on the game time. He has the talent from what I have seen.

Banquo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:07 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:17 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:30 am

Vanes is 23 so when will he be ready?

I mean, I'd like him to have more than 4 Premiership/HEC appearances. It's entirely possible that he won't ever be ready and he's just not good enough for this level - the fact that he's so far down the pecking order for Leicester suggests that he's not banging on the door. It is entirely possible that he's a late bloomer/wasn't like by McKellar, Wigglesworth or Borthwick, and will flourish this season, but at the moment, I'm not sitting here saying that I'm confident he will own the 2 shirt if Montoya leaves.

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:42 amSadly, I don't get to watch Tigers as often as I would like (although I should be on the terrace for the Glaws game), but I''ve always thought that Clare was a more than able deputy. Can't comment on Vanes, but at 23 shouldn't he be banging on the door?

Clare is a good deputy and a solid squad player, but I wouldn't be pleased if he was our first choice hooker. He's the kind of player that we should be expecting our youngsters to surpass, and the fact that he does not appear to be remotely threatened by FTT or Vanes in the coaches' eyes is not encouraging.

Puja

Its in Tigers gift on the game time. He has the talent from what I have seen.

That's promising to hear - I will take your opinion of him, as I have seen precious little myself, due to the aforementioned 87 minutes of first team rugby.

I really hope that he does get more game-time this season and proves you right. It's definitely a good sign that Cheika rates him highly enough to put him into the 16 shirt this early in the season, albeit in a rotated side.

Puja

Mellsblue wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 1:11 pm If Vanes doesn’t move to Vannes then why are we even bothering.

Agreed - Vannes should be looking to build a brand there: Van Zyl, Van der Flier, Van der Merwe, Vanneste, Vainikolo...

Puja

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Toby Fricker back at Bristol for 3 months as injury cover.

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:54 am Midi Olympique are speculating this morning about Julian Montoya attracting the interest of Top14 clubs.
I don't know when his current contract at Leicester expires but who'd blame him for heading this side of the Channel?

The Telegraph says Montoya will join Pau next season. Sam Simmonds has also been rumoured to be going there too where brother Joe is enjoying life.

francoisfou wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:30 pm

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:54 am Midi Olympique are speculating this morning about Julian Montoya attracting the interest of Top14 clubs.
I don't know when his current contract at Leicester expires but who'd blame him for heading this side of the Channel?

The Telegraph says Montoya will join Pau next season. Sam Simmonds has also been rumoured to be going there too where brother Joe is enjoying life.

Freeman extends his contract with Saints. Good news for the Prem and England.

Puja

Bristol in a bit of bother...
Jamie Williams - 12 weeks out with a pec injury
Malins - 8 weeks with a knee injury

That's the 2nd & 3rd choice 10 cover missing ..

Adds to Heward, Siva and Ravouvou both being out.

You don’t need a 10 with RICH LANE!!! at 15.

Du Plessis back to South Africa (I think it was the Sharks who were sniffing around him) - immediate effect
https://www.bathrugby.com/content/du-pl ... bath-rugby

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:26 pm Du Plessis back to South Africa (I think it was the Sharks who were sniffing around him) - immediate effect
https://www.bathrugby.com/content/du-pl ... bath-rugby

Hope the family reasons are due to not settling as opposed to something more serious. Shame for Bath as he'd looked like a good signing for them.

francoisfou wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:30 pm

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:54 am Midi Olympique are speculating this morning about Julian Montoya attracting the interest of Top14 clubs.
I don't know when his current contract at Leicester expires but who'd blame him for heading this side of the Channel?

The Telegraph says Montoya will join Pau next season.

Midi Olympique report that he'll be on a three-year contract.

francoisfou wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:16 am

francoisfou wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:30 pm

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:54 am Midi Olympique are speculating this morning about Julian Montoya attracting the interest of Top14 clubs.
I don't know when his current contract at Leicester expires but who'd blame him for heading this side of the Channel?

The Telegraph says Montoya will join Pau next season.

Midi Olympique report that he'll be on a three-year contract.

He's about to turn 31 so a three year deal on a hefty contract just makes a lot of sense for him. Cracking player and if he's on anything close to the silly money LCD was offered (£300k+ a year after tax) then he'd be foolish not to set him and his family up for life after rugby.