England v Wales

[oldbackrow]

Not looking for an argument in this but trying to get my head round it.
Scenario; Ball kicked towards opponents 22 and full back comes to collect it. Awkward bounce and it hits his hand and goes onto his knee and goes in front of him. Is that a knock on or can he pick it up /kick it?

[Numbers]

Not looking for an argument in this but trying to get my head round it.
Scenario; Ball kicked towards opponents 22 and full back comes to collect it. Awkward bounce and it hits his hand and goes onto his knee and goes in front of him. Is that a knock on or can he pick it up /kick it?

As long as the ball doesn't go forwards from his hand and then comes off the knee it is fine, it's not an attempt to kick so not deemed as such.

[Mikey Brown]

Not looking for an argument in this but trying to get my head round it.
Scenario; Ball kicked towards opponents 22 and full back comes to collect it. Awkward bounce and it hits his hand and goes onto his knee and goes in front of him. Is that a knock on or can he pick it up /kick it?

Only if it bounces over the England tryline and you jump on it.

[Sandydragon]

I see Eddie the hypocrite has attacked World Rugby for announcing that the TMO did make a mistake in not awarding the try. The game is done and dusted and there should be no need to comment further he said.

It’s rather rich that only Eddie the hippo is allowed to comment after the game like when he complained officially to World Rugby about AWJ in a match that his team were not even involved in.

He has made things rather awkward for himself now. If he criticises any on field decisions from now on, his comments will look even more ridiculous.

Players on the pitch have to accept the decisions, even if they are incorrect, but surely post-match debate and justification should be allowed.

I don’t want rugby to become like soccer where refs get very little respect, or so it often appears. But whilst the refs word is law on the pitch is a fair call in a game that can get violent and dangerous, I have no issues in team management seeking clarification post match or even making a complaint if the ref has been awful. A poor ref can ruin the game and honest feedback, at the right time and place, is fair enough.

[WaspInWales]

I see Eddie the hypocrite has attacked World Rugby for announcing that the TMO did make a mistake in not awarding the try. The game is done and dusted and there should be no need to comment further he said.

It’s rather rich that only Eddie the hippo is allowed to comment after the game like when he complained officially to World Rugby about AWJ in a match that his team were not even involved in.

He has made things rather awkward for himself now. If he criticises any on field decisions from now on, his comments will look even more ridiculous.

Players on the pitch have to accept the decisions, even if they are incorrect, but surely post-match debate and justification should be allowed.

I don’t want rugby to become like soccer where refs get very little respect, or so it often appears. But whilst the refs word is law on the pitch is a fair call in a game that can get violent and dangerous, I have no issues in team management seeking clarification post match or even making a complaint if the ref has been awful. A poor ref can ruin the game and honest feedback, at the right time and place, is fair enough.

Absolutely.

[kk67]

Good reffing is preventative reffing.

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So does Rudd.
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[kk67]

Silly pricks is accurate.

[Sourdust]

I don't like the ambiguity of the law (or application) as it stands. Who is to say what a "deliberate" act is? A "deliberately" punted ball is dropped, forwards, onto a player's leg/foot, and that's legal. I see no reason why an accidental fumble - which is regained OR kicked BEFORE is touches the ground or another player - should be given as a knock-on. By that standard, any form of "juggle" must also inevitably be a knock-on. Keep it simple: from hand directly forward to ground = knock-on; everything else = fine.

[welshsaint]

Not looking for an argument in this but trying to get my head round it.
Scenario; Ball kicked towards opponents 22 and full back comes to collect it. Awkward bounce and it hits his hand and goes onto his knee and goes in front of him. Is that a knock on or can he pick it up /kick it?

Coming to this a bit late, but virtually every kick out of hand is forward pass, but it isn't ruled as such.

[oldbackrow]

Not looking for an argument in this but trying to get my head round it.
Scenario; Ball kicked towards opponents 22 and full back comes to collect it. Awkward bounce and it hits his hand and goes onto his knee and goes in front of him. Is that a knock on or can he pick it up /kick it?

Coming to this a bit late, but virtually every kick out of hand is forward pass, but it isn't ruled as such.

The definition of a "kick"relating to the laws would say otherwise.

http://laws.worldrugby.org/?search=Kick

Ah found it!

[welshsaint]

Not looking for an argument in this but trying to get my head round it.
Scenario; Ball kicked towards opponents 22 and full back comes to collect it. Awkward bounce and it hits his hand and goes onto his knee and goes in front of him. Is that a knock on or can he pick it up /kick it?

Coming to this a bit late, but virtually every kick out of hand is forward pass, but it isn't ruled as such.

The definition of a "kick"relating to the laws would say otherwise.

http://laws.worldrugby.org/?search=Kick

Ah found it!

Interesting, but think of every other kick, the ball is propelled forward and then is kicked, but no forward pass. I think the key might be control.

[Sandydragon]

Coming to this a bit late, but virtually every kick out of hand is forward pass, but it isn't ruled as such.

The definition of a "kick"relating to the laws would say otherwise.

http://laws.worldrugby.org/?search=Kick

Ah found it!

Interesting, but think of every other kick, the ball is propelled forward and then is kicked, but no forward pass. I think the key might be control.

Agreed. Dropping the ball deliberately onto the foot for a kick is a deliberate act as opposed to dropping the ball and then trying to kick. The latter always looks awkward and refs most likely ping it as a player not in control of the ball.