Wales team for Scotland

[Sandydragon]

Now giving away scrum penalties. Anyone else praying for this to end?

Don’t see how Brown can be fit. Scrum went quite well for most of the match.

Probably not. Carre and Brown together is enough to raise anyone’s blood pressure

[Wallpaperman]

Can't argue with the result, well done Scotland.Wales are so far off the pace. Can't paper over the cracks any more.

It’s difficult when you are changing the personnel, and also the coaching style. Am hoping it’s going to be short term pain for a long term gain.

[Sandydragon]

Will we improve with 2 weeks in camp for most of the players?

Is it time to rip up the team and just give some younger players some experience?

[Wallpaperman]

Will we improve with 2 weeks in camp for most of the players?

Is it time to rip up the team and just give some younger players some experience?

Guys like Biggar and North have been such great servants, but…

Not sure we have a full back to replace Halfpenny and Liam Williams unless we play one of our best wings out of position.

Conversely I thought that Webb looked great when he came on, and Faletau will have to start next time

[Wallpaperman]

Took my wife (who supports Ireland) to the game last week, and that was a day of utter shite. I think today feels even worse.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Utterly pitiful. Our worst ever loss to Scotland. Well done Gatland. Well done WRU for spending a fortune hiring him. We've played our old players, we've played our young players. Little difference. This is shit coaching.

[UKHamlet]

I'm not so despondent. We show signs of cohesiveness, but our finishing was abysmal. The team needs to be given time to gel. I thought the flankers did well, but Jac at 8 was a failure. I would bring Faletau back, put Morgan at 6, and bench Christ. Biggar isn't offering anything worth having any more, North isn't doing well at centre, and Dyer isn't coming on as well as I'd hoped. I'm not ready to drop him yet though.
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[Sandydragon]

Will we improve with 2 weeks in camp for most of the players?

Is it time to rip up the team and just give some younger players some experience?

Guys like Biggar and North have been such great servants, but…

Not sure we have a full back to replace Halfpenny and Liam Williams unless we play one of our best wings out of position.

Conversely I thought that Webb looked great when he came on, and Faletau will have to start next time

We are a team in transition. A transition that should have happened after the last RWC.

Faletau has to start along side Christ and Reffel with Morgan on the bench.

Bear was better today but is still doubtful in my opinion. Daf keeps his shirt.

Front row is concerning.

Back line is ineffective. Yes agin we had issues getting quick ball but we looked clueless.

Hopefully LRZ is fit again soon.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Successful tackles vs missed tackles:

WALES Successful Tackles Missed Tackles
L WilliamsFB 9 2
J AdamsW 7 1
G NorthC 4 1
J HawkinsC 9 3
R DyerW 5 2
D BiggarFH 6 1
T WilliamsSH 5 2
W JonesP 5 1
K OwensH 9 2
D LewisP 11 2
D JenkinsL 8 0
A BeardL 8 2
C TshiunzaFL 8 2
T ReffellFL 16 1
J MorganN8 12 2
S BaldwinR 4 1
R CarréR 3 0
L BrownR 2 0
R DaviesR 3 0
T FaletauR 7 0
R WebbR 3 0
R PatchellR 1 1
A CuthbertR 1 2

An appalling 28 missed today. Spread more evenly this week, most players missed 1 or 2. Jenkins was the cleanest with 8 successful, 0 missed. Hawkins missed the most with 9 successful, 3 missed. Of the starters, Dyer and Tomos had the worst ratios at 5 successful to 2 missed. Faletau was perhaps the best considering his limited time on pitch at 7 to 0. Reffell also excellent at 16 to 1.

[Wallpaperman]

Will we improve with 2 weeks in camp for most of the players?

Is it time to rip up the team and just give some younger players some experience?

Guys like Biggar and North have been such great servants, but…

Not sure we have a full back to replace Halfpenny and Liam Williams unless we play one of our best wings out of position.

Conversely I thought that Webb looked great when he came on, and Faletau will have to start next time

We are a team in transition. A transition that should have happened after the last RWC.

Faletau has to start along side Christ and Reffel with Morgan on the bench. Looks good to me

Bear was better today but is still doubtful in my opinion. Daf keeps his shirt. I keep hoping that Beard will morph into Luke Charteris v2.0 but that hasn’t happened yet. He wouldn’t be starting the next game if Rowlands was fit, and Gatland has already talked about the Welsh second rows playing in Japan re the World Cup. Agree v Daf, one of the few bright lights today.

Front row is concerning. Agreed, even if Tomas Francis is fit for the next game. I’d look to add Wainwright, O’Connor or Willgriff John to the squad if Francis isn’t fit as Brown isn’t right yet.

Back line is ineffective. Yes agin we had issues getting quick ball but we looked clueless. The most disappointing aspect in both games is the amount of chances and good possession that was wasted.

Hopefully LRZ is fit again soon. He’s supposed to be ready for the England game. I’ll get my rosary beads and lucky heather.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Scrum was good, albeit there weren't many of them. Lineouts as poor as last week, but Ken is safe because without Lake there's no real competition.

The locks were OK although I'd be open to replacing Beard with Davies. Or even Tshiunza. Morgan wasn't particularly successful at 8 - we must go back to Faletau. We still have a conundrum at the back row. Reffell went well but I'd expect Morgan also to go well at 7. I'm leaning to keeping Tshiunza at 6.

Not deeply impressed with Tomos but Webb hardly transformed things when he came on. I'd be happy to swap them though. Biggar was ineffective. Patchell made no obvious difference. We should start Owen Williams.

Hawkins is good but doesn't do anything spectacular. I'd like to think he could unleash North like a missile with clever passes but that doesn't seem to happen. Therefore I'd give Keiran a go next time. North continues to underwhelm slightly but there is no great alternative for 13.

Why did Adams go off? Anyway I hope we can start Adams and LRZ next time. Dyer has great raw talent (ie speed, and decent height) but has been promoted too soon. He needs to return to his club improve his basic skills after butchering another try this week. Giles ought to be brought in. Or Conbeer. Even Luke Morgan or Stef Evans would be better.

Full back. Jesus, we could do with Jonah Holmes. Liam was unimpressive. But unless we gamble on Patchell I guess we stick with Sanjay.

[Big D]

Just nipping on to say I hope North is ok given his history. Not sure I like rugby hiding behind "he passed a HiA" when the doc in the stands had to call for a HIA because a player went limp.

[Donny osmond]

Hard lines fellas. Your youngsters look fantastic and after a rebuild you'll be flying again soon enough.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Hard lines fellas. Your youngsters look fantastic and after a rebuild you'll be flying again soon enough.

Well done, a thrashing and no mistake. Hopefully, when next we meet our coaches will have got their shit together or been replaced.

[Sandydragon]

Hard lines fellas. Your youngsters look fantastic and after a rebuild you'll be flying again soon enough.

Cheers. It’ll take a while I think but fair play to you guys on an emphatic win. Looking forward to watching your remaining games

[pompey-zebra]

Hard lines fellas. Your youngsters look fantastic and after a rebuild you'll be flying again soon enough.

Thanks and I hope you're right. The last time we had a slump like this it took more than a decade to recover from. I'm getting too old for wales to have another decade in the rugby wilderness.

[Graigwen]

We were thrashed by a very good Scottish side. So good that we were probably never going to win whatever side we put on the pitch. Perhaps in a few months this will not look so bad.

The balance of the back row was wrong, although I think all three starters will have good international futures ahead of them. It looks like Faletau +2 is the immediate answer. Apart from anything else he does, Faletau has huge experience of clearing up the mess we often produce at the back of our scrums. Tshiunza is very very raw, but looks promising.

Dyer is still learning, as is Hawkins.

Brown lacks recent match experience, but playing him was a good idea. Sanjay was not his usual self - also short of recent matches.

In a perfect world we would not be giving novices experience or rushing players back after injury, but having arrived at a 6N without a decent settled team, extraordinary measures are called for. Mason Grady will have to be thrown in at some stage, although I am not yet convinced he is as wonderful as many suppose. Obviously Owen Williams must be considered, although I suspect more than one game will be needed to reach a final conclusion.

We had a toothless attack in the opposition 22 and a soft porous defence in our own 22. Personnel changes will probably not be enough on their own to rectify these problems, although Lake and LRZ should improve the team.

Hmm........

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