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My favourite Australian : http://johnpilger.com/articles/silencin ... es-for-war

"Clinton, the "women's candidate", leaves a trail of bloody coups: in Honduras, in Libya (plus the murder of the Libyan president) and Ukraine. The latter is now a CIA theme park swarming with Nazis and the frontline of a beckoning war with Russia. It was through Ukraine - literally, borderland - that Hitler's Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, which lost 27 million people. This epic catastrophe remains a presence in Russia. Clinton's presidential campaign has received money from all but one of the world's ten biggest arms companies. No other candidate comes close."

rowan wrote:My favourite Australian : http://johnpilger.com/articles/silencin ... es-for-war

"Clinton, the "women's candidate", leaves a trail of bloody coups: in Honduras, in Libya (plus the murder of the Libyan president) and Ukraine. The latter is now a CIA theme park swarming with Nazis and the frontline of a beckoning war with Russia. It was through Ukraine - literally, borderland - that Hitler's Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, which lost 27 million people. This epic catastrophe remains a presence in Russia. Clinton's presidential campaign has received money from all but one of the world's ten biggest arms companies. No other candidate comes close."

Yeah, Ukraine is so swarming with Nazis that they have a Jewish Prime Minister.

rowan wrote:My favourite Australian : http://johnpilger.com/articles/silencin ... es-for-war

"Clinton, the "women's candidate", leaves a trail of bloody coups: in Honduras, in Libya (plus the murder of the Libyan president) and Ukraine. The latter is now a CIA theme park swarming with Nazis and the frontline of a beckoning war with Russia. It was through Ukraine - literally, borderland - that Hitler's Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, which lost 27 million people. This epic catastrophe remains a presence in Russia. Clinton's presidential campaign has received money from all but one of the world's ten biggest arms companies. No other candidate comes close."

Just logged on to post that article. Nice one.

Zhivago wrote:

rowan wrote:My favourite Australian : http://johnpilger.com/articles/silencin ... es-for-war

"Clinton, the "women's candidate", leaves a trail of bloody coups: in Honduras, in Libya (plus the murder of the Libyan president) and Ukraine. The latter is now a CIA theme park swarming with Nazis and the frontline of a beckoning war with Russia. It was through Ukraine - literally, borderland - that Hitler's Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, which lost 27 million people. This epic catastrophe remains a presence in Russia. Clinton's presidential campaign has received money from all but one of the world's ten biggest arms companies. No other candidate comes close."

Yeah, Ukraine is so swarming with Nazis that they have a Jewish Prime Minister.

They appear to be as stupid or corrupt or hypocritical as you are.

UGagain wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

rowan wrote:My favourite Australian : http://johnpilger.com/articles/silencin ... es-for-war

"Clinton, the "women's candidate", leaves a trail of bloody coups: in Honduras, in Libya (plus the murder of the Libyan president) and Ukraine. The latter is now a CIA theme park swarming with Nazis and the frontline of a beckoning war with Russia. It was through Ukraine - literally, borderland - that Hitler's Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, which lost 27 million people. This epic catastrophe remains a presence in Russia. Clinton's presidential campaign has received money from all but one of the world's ten biggest arms companies. No other candidate comes close."

Yeah, Ukraine is so swarming with Nazis that they have a Jewish Prime Minister.

They appear to be as stupid or corrupt or hypocritical as you are.

You know nothing about me, and you know nothing about Ukraine.

Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland confirmed the US has supported the Neo Nazi Svoboda party during the coup. The transitional government included former members of the fascist UNA-UNSO, while Neo Nazis were given key positions in the armed forces, police, justice and security departments.

rowan wrote:Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland confirmed the US has supported the Neo Nazi Svoboda party during the coup. The transitional government included former members of the fascist UNA-UNSO, while Neo Nazis were given key positions in the armed forces, police, justice and security departments.

Svoboda is not in power. They have only 7/450 Verkhovna Rada seats.

Zhivago wrote:

UGagain wrote:

Zhivago wrote:
Yeah, Ukraine is so swarming with Nazis that they have a Jewish Prime Minister.

They appear to be as stupid or corrupt or hypocritical as you are.

You know nothing about me, and you know nothing about Ukraine.

I know that you are in denial mode when it comes to Ukraine aka 'the most blatant coup in history'.

Quite why, I don't know and don't care.

Are those figures the donations, or values of the arms deals? These are also meaningless without figures for countries that donated but did not get an arms deal, or that didn't donate but did get an arms deal. Without that, you don't even have a correlation, let alone causation.

I don't know what sort of oversight the US govt has of arms deals i.e. in practical terms how does a donation to HRC improve odds of closing your guns deal?

Lizard wrote:Are those figures the donations, or values of the arms deals? These are also meaningless without figures for countries that donated but did not get an arms deal, or that didn't donate but did get an arms deal. Without that, you don't even have a correlation, let alone causation.

I don't know what sort of oversight the US govt has of arms deals i.e. in practical terms how does a donation to HRC improve odds of closing your guns deal?

That's an excellent point.

Lizard wrote:Are those figures the donations, or values of the arms deals? These are also meaningless without figures for countries that donated but did not get an arms deal, or that didn't donate but did get an arms deal. Without that, you don't even have a correlation, let alone causation.

I don't know what sort of oversight the US govt has of arms deals i.e. in practical terms how does a donation to HRC improve odds of closing your guns deal?

Then you should do more reading and less scoffing.

You miss the point altogether when it comes to elite corruption.

Julia Gillard didn't have to give money to the Clinton Foundation for Australia to buy F-35s.

Julia Gillard has a cushy job selling charter schools for the Clinton Foundation which is also funded by the makers of F-35s.

Get it?

On a slight tangent related to election fraud - here's a map of police forces investigating the Tories for election fraud. Somehow stays low down on the news.

Because an investigation isn't an accusation, never mind a conviction.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:Because an investigation isn't an accusation, never mind a conviction.

Nonsense. If it were Labour it'd be front page.

UGagain wrote:

Lizard wrote:Are those figures the donations, or values of the arms deals? These are also meaningless without figures for countries that donated but did not get an arms deal, or that didn't donate but did get an arms deal. Without that, you don't even have a correlation, let alone causation.

I don't know what sort of oversight the US govt has of arms deals i.e. in practical terms how does a donation to HRC improve odds of closing your guns deal?

Then you should do more reading and less scoffing.

You miss the point altogether when it comes to elite corruption.

Julia Gillard didn't have to give money to the Clinton Foundation for Australia to buy F-35s.

Julia Gillard has a cushy job selling charter schools for the Clinton Foundation which is also funded by the makers of F-35s.

Get it?

Dude, I'm not scoffing. Why do you assume every reply to one of your posts is negative. You posted an assertion of a correlation, and an implied causation. The information in that post was insufficient for me to assess the likely veracity of those claims and I just want information enough to make that assessment.

I am certainly aware from my own professional field that US lawmakers appear to be more swayed by corporate lobbyists than those in comparable jurisdictions. I am prepared to believe that this is at least partly due to direct financial considerations including political donations (and a system that tolerates lobbying to an extraordinary degree) as well as more nebulous back-scratching. The pathways between Congress, corporate boards and lobbyists offices are disturbingly well-trod.

I'm just curious to know the strength of this particular allegation.

Zhivago wrote:On a slight tangent related to election fraud - here's a map of police forces investigating the Tories for election fraud. Somehow stays low down on the news.

Who made the claims?


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Lizard wrote:

UGagain wrote:

Lizard wrote:Are those figures the donations, or values of the arms deals? These are also meaningless without figures for countries that donated but did not get an arms deal, or that didn't donate but did get an arms deal. Without that, you don't even have a correlation, let alone causation.

I don't know what sort of oversight the US govt has of arms deals i.e. in practical terms how does a donation to HRC improve odds of closing your guns deal?

Then you should do more reading and less scoffing.

You miss the point altogether when it comes to elite corruption.

Julia Gillard didn't have to give money to the Clinton Foundation for Australia to buy F-35s.

Julia Gillard has a cushy job selling charter schools for the Clinton Foundation which is also funded by the makers of F-35s.

Get it?

Dude, I'm not scoffing. Why do you assume every reply to one of your posts is negative. You posted an assertion of a correlation, and an implied causation. The information in that post was insufficient for me to assess the likely veracity of those claims and I just want information enough to make that assessment.

I am certainly aware from my own professional field that US lawmakers appear to be more swayed by corporate lobbyists than those in comparable jurisdictions. I am prepared to believe that this is at least partly due to direct financial considerations including political donations (and a system that tolerates lobbying to an extraordinary degree) as well as more nebulous back-scratching. The pathways between Congress, corporate boards and lobbyists offices are disturbingly well-trod.

I'm just curious to know the strength of this particular allegation.

The State Department must approve foreign arms sales. The Clinton Foundation is a bag operation.

Julia Gillard has a cushy job selling charter schools for the Clinton Foundation which is also funded by the makers of F-35s.

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No fucking way.

What a cunt.

Zhivago wrote:On a slight tangent related to election fraud - here's a map of police forces investigating the Tories for election fraud. Somehow stays low down on the news.

Isn't that map more than a little "misleading"? It shows the geographical spread of police forces, who cover entire counties, who may be investigating 1 constituency that, geographically, makes up a tiny portion of that county. Its designed to make it look as if most of England is under investigation for election fraud, when the reality is hugely different.

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Donny osmond wrote:

Zhivago wrote:On a slight tangent related to election fraud - here's a map of police forces investigating the Tories for election fraud. Somehow stays low down on the news.

Isn't that map more than a little "misleading"? It shows the geographical spread of police forces, who cover entire counties, who may be investigating 1 constituency that, geographically, makes up a tiny portion of that county. Its designed to make it look as if most of England is under investigation for election fraud, when the reality is hugely different.

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No, I disagree. It shows that it was systemic.

Of course it was designed to mislead, and see, it works.

morepork wrote:Julia Gillard has a cushy job selling charter schools for the Clinton Foundation which is also funded by the makers of F-35s.

No fucking way.

What a cunt.[/quote]

Oh yeah, St Julia is an insider now.

UGagain wrote:

morepork wrote:Julia Gillard has a cushy job selling charter schools for the Clinton Foundation which is also funded by the makers of F-35s.

No fucking way.

What a cunt.

Oh yeah, St Julia is an insider now.[/quote]


That cultured accent will see her go far. If she and John Key bred, the result could very likely be genetically unintelligible.

morepork wrote:

UGagain wrote:

morepork wrote:Julia Gillard has a cushy job selling charter schools for the Clinton Foundation which is also funded by the makers of F-35s.

No fucking way.

What a cunt.

Oh yeah, St Julia is an insider now.

That cultured accent will see her go far. If she and John Key bred, the result could very likely be genetically unintelligible.

They're in with the inbred crowd.