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Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:24 pm
by Danno
Really poor performances compared to what I expected, from Samoa. They really don't look up for it as a team. Defence is very soft.
Japan should have put that game to bed a lot sooner
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:52 am
by Lizard
Scrumhead wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:09 pm
From what I saw, they were physical but not much else. Mostly just trying to power through the middle with brute force.
Anything more ambitious ended in a knock on.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:21 pm
by Mellsblue
Should we face them, let’s hope we get this version of Fiji.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:27 pm
by FKAS
I think Georgia are doing a good job here. Frustrating Fiji by keeping the scoreboard ticking over, not giving them mistakes or turnover ball to launch attacks from and then really standing up in defence around the ruck forcing Fiji to go wide with little momentum.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:32 pm
by p/d
Mellsblue wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:21 pm
Should we face them, let’s hope we get this version of Fiji.
Has Eddie been moonlighting coaching the Fiji lineout!!!
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:35 pm
by morepork
Fiji have got the yips. Shockingly aimless.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:22 pm
by Mellsblue
Botia is the most ridiculous player.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:53 pm
by Danno
An absolute masterclass.
In how not to lineout.
Not terribly concerned about the QF now if Fiji perform like that.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:04 pm
by Mellsblue
Danno wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:53 pm
Not terribly concerned about the QF now if Fiji perform like that.
Me neither. All we have to do is frustrate Fiji by keeping the scoreboard ticking over, not giving them mistakes or turnover ball to launch attacks from and then really standing up in defence around the ruck forcing Fiji to go wide with little momentum.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:10 pm
by morepork
Do you mean, "kick it and rely on their shyte lineout?
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:34 pm
by Danno
morepork wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:10 pm
Do you mean, "kick it and rely on their shyte lineout?
Pretty valid tactic to be fair
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:04 pm
by morepork
Danno wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:34 pm
morepork wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:10 pm
Do you mean, "kick it and rely on their shyte lineout?
Pretty valid tactic to be fair
Plan B if they sort their lineout? And they will.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:18 pm
by Danno
morepork wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:04 pm
Danno wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:34 pm
morepork wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:10 pm
Do you mean, "kick it and rely on their shyte lineout?
Pretty valid tactic to be fair
Plan B if they sort their lineout? And they will.
Kick of course
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:37 am
by Mikey Brown
Danno wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:18 pm
morepork wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:04 pm
Danno wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:34 pm
Pretty valid tactic to be fair
Plan B if they sort their lineout? And they will.
Kick of course
It’s the last thing they’ll expect.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:36 am
by morepork
It's all gone a bit Blackadder.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:29 am
by Scrumhead
morepork wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:04 pm
Danno wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:34 pm
morepork wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:10 pm
Do you mean, "kick it and rely on their shyte lineout?
Pretty valid tactic to be fair
Plan B if they sort their lineout? And they will.
Probably easier for Fiji to sort out their lineout than England to sort out our (lack of) attack.
Then again, set piece woes are often worse in pressure situations and they only have the Portugal game to test it in between, which isn’t likely to be the most severe examination.
For England, I’m hoping we see a confidence building performance vs. Samoa from an attacking POV. With suspensions over and (as it stands) a clean bill of health, it’s likely to be the first time we get to see Borthwick’s preferred 23. Hopefully that isn’t Billy at 8 and Farrell at 12, but I’ll take it if the performance is good.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:49 am
by Mellsblue
Mellsblue wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:22 pm
Botia is the most ridiculous player.
https://x.com/ek_rugby/status/170840857 ... MV3j-SK8yQ
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:57 am
by p/d
Just build on the forwards. Batter the Samoan pack and not take the foot off the throat. Repeat v Fiji.
Pick ‘his’ best XV and don’t flood the pitch with substitutes unless absolutely necessary
I am no longer interested in watching the backs butcher overlaps from forced pre planned training pitch moves. Want see heads up rugby
We need to make a clear statement and stick to it. Do not want to mirror Italy come France/SA
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:09 pm
by Peej
Fiji without Muntz are a very different team. Still scary, but maybe not as much as they could have been.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:47 pm
by p/d
If Botia walks out of the tunnel I pass a small bit of wee
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:06 pm
by FKAS
Great player. He could probably do a job in nearly every position on the pitch.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:14 pm
by Mikey Brown
p/d wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:47 pm
If Botia walks out of the tunnel I pass a small bit of wee
I stopped myself responding to the above post about Muntz because I got hit with a real sense of deja vu, but weren’t Fiji without both Botia and Tuisova when we played them before? Or they were just returning from injury perhaps.
I’d have thought that more than makes up for it, especially as they seem to have found another half decent goal kicker.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:18 pm
by p/d
Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:14 pm
p/d wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:47 pm
If Botia walks out of the tunnel I pass a small bit of wee
I stopped myself responding to the above post about Muntz because I got hit with a real sense of deja vu,
but weren’t Fiji without both Botia and Tuisova when we played them before? Or they were just returning from injury perhaps.
I’d have thought that more than makes up for it, especially as they seem to have found another half decent goal kicker.
You would be correct.........
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:30 pm
by Mellsblue
p/d wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:47 pm
If Botia walks out of the tunnel I pass a small bit of wee
At least I now know who the incontinence pants advert during the rugby on Amazon was aimed at.
Re: Looking towards Samoa and QFs
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:01 pm
by Puja
Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:14 pm
p/d wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:47 pm
If Botia walks out of the tunnel I pass a small bit of wee
I stopped myself responding to the above post about Muntz because I got hit with a real sense of deja vu, but weren’t Fiji without both Botia and Tuisova when we played them before? Or they were just returning from injury perhaps.
I’d have thought that more than makes up for it, especially as they seem to have found another half decent goal kicker.
We were without a few players as well - probably 5 of the starting XV from that game will be unlikely to make a quarter final lineup, some of them not even making the bench. More pertinently, we were probably playing with an air of complacency about it "only being Fiji", no matter how much lip service was paid in the pre-game press. Fiji might not have the same fear now that they've beaten us, but I doubt we'll have the same complacency. It's a game that we should, as fans, be expecting to win.
Puja