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Coco wrote:Exactly. Of course it does, but it doesnt fit the narrative of recent times. Plenty of white nutjobs, crackheads, anti-govt, and innocents alike getting shot for failure to comply or whatever. Hispanics too. You just rarely see it being made a lesson or question of excessive force.

rowan wrote:Female officer charged in the Tulsa case:

Betty Shelby, the Tulsa police officer who fatally shot an unarmed black man, has been charged with manslaughter.

http://www.euronews.com/2016/09/23/tuls ... cher-death

WaspInWales wrote:

rowan wrote:Female officer charged in the Tulsa case:

Betty Shelby, the Tulsa police officer who fatally shot an unarmed black man, has been charged with manslaughter.

http://www.euronews.com/2016/09/23/tuls ... cher-death

As I mentioned in a previous post, I expected the officer responsible to be charged.

Be interesting to see how things progress from this...also be interesting to see if she'll be treated any differently by the media due to her gender. Such as; I wonder if she's a caring/doting mother?

I fully expect the charges to be dropped or an acquittal within due course.

kk67 wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

kk67 wrote:
They don't go that far, do they ?. I seem to remember reading that gravity operates on a bullet fired horizontally with the same force as one that's just dropped vertically. They both hit the deck at the same time.
Interestingly, the nutters firing off their AK's into the air....those bullets come back down and can cause serious head injuries. Yet another reason not to attend family weddings.

Depends on the round used. Most police forces tend to use rounds like 9mm which don't travel that far, or go through walls, for that reason. That said, to miss with 100 rounds is pathetic.

A bit off topic,....but over what sort of distance are modern handguns accurate ?.

OptimisticJock wrote:

kk67 wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
Depends on the round used. Most police forces tend to use rounds like 9mm which don't travel that far, or go through walls, for that reason. That said, to miss with 100 rounds is pathetic.

A bit off topic,....but over what sort of distance are modern handguns accurate ?.

Depends on the weapon but they're for close quarters. 50m is probably a good round about figure

WaspInWales wrote:

rowan wrote:Armed police and lax gun laws are increasingly beginning to look like an extention of white America's oppression of African Americans. Sure, the latter are able to obtain guns themselves, but if they use them against a white American or especially against an officer of the law there are serious consequences. The reverse does not appear to apply, however.

Of course it does.

One example of an armed white man surviving a confrontation with the police doesn't prove a rule. I'm pretty sure many white people who have taken up arms against other people of the same race and/or cops have found that it didn't end too well for themselves.

There is clearly some very serious issues with US policing of African-Americans though.

Stones of granite wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote:

kk67 wrote:
A bit off topic,....but over what sort of distance are modern handguns accurate ?.

Depends on the weapon but they're for close quarters. 50m is probably a good round about figure

I see what you did there....

OptimisticJock wrote:

kk67 wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
Depends on the round used. Most police forces tend to use rounds like 9mm which don't travel that far, or go through walls, for that reason. That said, to miss with 100 rounds is pathetic.

A bit off topic,....but over what sort of distance are modern handguns accurate ?.

Depends on the weapon but they're for close quarters. 50m is probably a good round about figure

Stones of granite wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote:

kk67 wrote:
A bit off topic,....but over what sort of distance are modern handguns accurate ?.

Depends on the weapon but they're for close quarters. 50m is probably a good round about figure

I've no doubt that Glocks can be accurate to 50m, but I reckon most firearms training is done on 25yd indoor ranges (happy to be shown to be wrong), so I would be surprised if an agitated copper would be accurate shooting rapid fire, or even double-taps at more than half that distance.

OptimisticJock wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote: Depends on the weapon but they're for close quarters. 50m is probably a good round about figure

I've no doubt that Glocks can be accurate to 50m, but I reckon most firearms training is done on 25yd indoor ranges (happy to be shown to be wrong), so I would be surprised if an agitated copper would be accurate shooting rapid fire, or even double-taps at more than half that distance.

You're probably right. We ran our own ranges so could do what we wanted pretty much so we'd have longer ranges. The sig would score us hits at 75m.

Stones of granite wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: I've no doubt that Glocks can be accurate to 50m, but I reckon most firearms training is done on 25yd indoor ranges (happy to be shown to be wrong), so I would be surprised if an agitated copper would be accurate shooting rapid fire, or even double-taps at more than half that distance.

You're probably right. We ran our own ranges so could do what we wanted pretty much so we'd have longer ranges. The sig would score us hits at 75m.

In theatre?

OptimisticJock wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote: You're probably right. We ran our own ranges so could do what we wanted pretty much so we'd have longer ranges. The sig would score us hits at 75m.

In theatre?

Just on the range.

Stones of granite wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: In theatre?

Just on the range.

Sorry, I wasn't clear, I didn't mean in contact. This was on TELIC? Just say if I shouldn't be asking.

Edit: got the wrong op name, I think. Never mind. Forget I asked.

rowan wrote:There are more whites killed by the police than blacks. Their cops are just shite.

That's because white people are 62% of the population, blacks just 12%. A breakdown of the statistics shows blacks are three times more likely than whites to be shot and killed by police, while young black men are nine times as likely as the average American citizen to be shot and killed by police. Statistics show similar trends on everything from being stopped and questioned to being thrown in prison or put on death row. In every respect African Americans are treated very differently to their white counterparts. Native Americans and so-called "Hispanics" (ie mostly Native Americans from south of the border where they happen to speak Spanish) also fare badly, making it very apparent that racial profiling is prevalent among the US police forces.

rowan wrote:There are more whites killed by the police than blacks. Their cops are just shite.

That's because white people are 62% of the population, blacks just 12%. A breakdown of the statistics shows blacks are three times more likely than whites to be shot and killed by police, while young black men are nine times as likely as the average American citizen to be shot and killed by police. Statistics show similar trends on everything from being stopped and questioned to being thrown in prison or put on death row. In every respect African Americans are treated very differently to their white counterparts. Native Americans and so-called "Hispanics" (ie mostly Native Americans from south of the border where they happen to speak Spanish) also fare badly, making it very apparent that racial profiling is prevalent among the US police forces.

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:There are more whites killed by the police than blacks. Their cops are just shite.

That's because white people are 62% of the population, blacks just 12%. A breakdown of the statistics shows blacks are three times more likely than whites to be shot and killed by police, while young black men are nine times as likely as the average American citizen to be shot and killed by police. Statistics show similar trends on everything from being stopped and questioned to being thrown in prison or put on death row. In every respect African Americans are treated very differently to their white counterparts. Native Americans and so-called "Hispanics" (ie mostly Native Americans from south of the border where they happen to speak Spanish) also fare badly, making it very apparent that racial profiling is prevalent among the US police forces.

Are you sure about those statistics?

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:There are more whites killed by the police than blacks. Their cops are just shite.

That's because white people are 62% of the population, blacks just 12%. A breakdown of the statistics shows blacks are three times more likely than whites to be shot and killed by police, while young black men are nine times as likely as the average American citizen to be shot and killed by police. Statistics show similar trends on everything from being stopped and questioned to being thrown in prison or put on death row. In every respect African Americans are treated very differently to their white counterparts. Native Americans and so-called "Hispanics" (ie mostly Native Americans from south of the border where they happen to speak Spanish) also fare badly, making it very apparent that racial profiling is prevalent among the US police forces.

Are you sure about those statistics?

rowan wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:There are more whites killed by the police than blacks. Their cops are just shite.

That's because white people are 62% of the population, blacks just 12%. A breakdown of the statistics shows blacks are three times more likely than whites to be shot and killed by police, while young black men are nine times as likely as the average American citizen to be shot and killed by police. Statistics show similar trends on everything from being stopped and questioned to being thrown in prison or put on death row. In every respect African Americans are treated very differently to their white counterparts. Native Americans and so-called "Hispanics" (ie mostly Native Americans from south of the border where they happen to speak Spanish) also fare badly, making it very apparent that racial profiling is prevalent among the US police forces.

Are you sure about those statistics?

I've read these kinds of stats many times over the years. Just a quick google search brought up these two stories, for example:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 12e05bff9f

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -black-men

kk67 wrote:Worth noting that crime statistics are notoriously unreliable precisely because of variables in the way they are collated, and like unemployment statistics, they are always a prime target for government manipulation.

Which Tyler wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote:We only tend to see videos of black males. How are white males killed by the polis? Is it the same as with black males? Are white males all posing genuine threats?

Sorry, back to my original links in page 1 (the next bit only shows up on the full site, not the mobile version)
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i ... s-database
2015 saw the following numbers killed by police in the USA:
581 White
306 Black
195 Hispanic / Latino
24 Asian / PI
13 Native American
27 Unknown / Other

In terms of dead (at police hands) per million of that population, we get:
7.27 Black
3.51 Hispanic/Latino
3.40 Native American
2.93 White
1.34 Asian / PI

Out of interest, and looking in a little more detail.
Of the 1146 people killed by police in 2015; 1019 of them were shot.
Of that 1146; 229 of them were unarmed.
Of that 229: 111 of those died by gunshot; 46 by Taser, 42 died in custody, 29 struck by vehicle, 1 unarmed combat.
Of that 229, the racial breakdown is: 103 = White, 70 = black, 36 = Hispanic, 5 PI; 4 NA.

In 2015, 56 cops died as a result of violent assault (deliberate gunfire[39], vehicular assault[8], bomb[6], unarmed[3]). https://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2015