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Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 1:38 pm
by Sandydragon
Agreed. If left unchallenged, it will only promote more bad behaviour.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 11:54 am
by Son of Mathonwy
Zhivago wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 6:36 pm
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 9:44 am
Zhivago wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:56 pm
And Russia has done nothing. We need to realise that they're the barking dog.
agreed. Allowing Putin to win under the threat of nuclear annihilation makes it very hard to stand up to him in the future. Russia started this fight, I have no issue with allowing Ukraine to win without undue constraints being placed on how weapons are used (noting the need for keeping to international law).
I think Macron has figured this out too. Took some time, but he seems to be getting there.
It looks like Ukraine hasn't been given complete freedom to use UK arms on Russia:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ukrainians
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2024 3:31 pm
by Zhivago
I am not prepared to support the NATOization of Ukraine.
... says Biden in interview for TIME.
https://time.com/6984968/joe-biden-tran ... interview/
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2024 4:44 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
I'm trying to make sense of that whole sentence:
But it is not, if you notice, I was the one when—and you guys did report it at TIME—the one that I was saying that I am not prepared to support the NATOization of Ukraine.
But if that's what he's saying, it's not a good thing. He should appear open to idea, even if it's not possible now.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:24 pm
by Zhivago
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 4:44 pm
I'm trying to make sense of that whole sentence
He is often rather incoherent. Neither candidate has the mental faculties to be a capable president.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 1:50 pm
by paddy no 11
European elections this weekend, bizzarely Russia could have a 20% voting block by Monday
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 2:00 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 1:50 pm
European elections this weekend, bizzarely Russia could have a 20% voting block by Monday
You'd think Europe would have been well immunised from fascism by the events if the 20th century. I guess no one ever thinks that
their fascists are fascists . . . until it's too late.
And now the UK's own fascist has returned, his path cleared, his policies normalized by mainstream parties. The Tories have done most of the damage (which they are about to reap) but Starmer is joining in.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:15 pm
by Zhivago
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:03 pm
by paddy no 11
Hopefully there's a circle of he'll reserved for that cunt
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:19 pm
by Zhivago
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... tion-plot/
Russians trying everything. Foiled assassination plot against Rhinemetall.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:56 pm
by Which Tyler
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 7:45 pm
by Zhivago
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:37 am
by Sandydragon
I was reading about this yesterday. I love the way Russia gets so offended when Ukraine dares to invade Russian territory.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:56 am
by Puja
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:37 am
I was reading about this yesterday. I love the way Russia gets so offended when Ukraine dares to invade Russian territory.
It was the fact that the Russian spokesman described it as a "provocation" that got me. Oh yeah, Ukraine had better look out with those provocations; Russia might invade them or bomb their cities!
Puja
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:23 am
by Zhivago
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:39 am
by Zhivago
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:38 am
by Son of Mathonwy
Puja wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:56 am
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:37 am
I was reading about this yesterday. I love the way Russia gets so offended when Ukraine dares to invade Russian territory.
It was the fact that the Russian spokesman described it as a "provocation" that got me. Oh yeah, Ukraine had better look out with those provocations; Russia might invade them or bomb their cities!
Puja
I get that people are worried about rattling the bear's cage but if the bear's already eating you different rules apply.
Russia's already doing its worst. It's not going to use nukes coz it doesn't want to rattle the
bigger bear's cage. It's already tried and failed to take the whole country. Sure, it makes a show of lashing out sometimes (like firing a flurry of missiles) but those are just things it was going to do anyway - they shouldn't make the Ukrainians or us falter.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:44 pm
by Sandydragon
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:38 am
Puja wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:56 am
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:37 am
I was reading about this yesterday. I love the way Russia gets so offended when Ukraine dares to invade Russian territory.
It was the fact that the Russian spokesman described it as a "provocation" that got me. Oh yeah, Ukraine had better look out with those provocations; Russia might invade them or bomb their cities!
Puja
I get that people are worried about rattling the bear's cage but if the bear's already eating you different rules apply.
Russia's already doing its worst. It's not going to use nukes coz it doesn't want to rattle the
bigger bear's cage. It's already tried and failed to take the whole country. Sure, it makes a show of lashing out sometimes (like firing a flurry of missiles) but those are just things it was going to do anyway - they shouldn't make the Ukrainians or us falter.
Agreed. Anything up to the actual involvement of nato troops in the fighting is fair game.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 2:11 pm
by Zhivago
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:44 pm
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:38 am
Puja wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:56 am
It was the fact that the Russian spokesman described it as a "provocation" that got me. Oh yeah, Ukraine had better look out with those provocations; Russia might invade them or bomb their cities!
Puja
I get that people are worried about rattling the bear's cage but if the bear's already eating you different rules apply.
Russia's already doing its worst. It's not going to use nukes coz it doesn't want to rattle the
bigger bear's cage. It's already tried and failed to take the whole country. Sure, it makes a show of lashing out sometimes (like firing a flurry of missiles) but those are just things it was going to do anyway - they shouldn't make the Ukrainians or us falter.
Agreed. Anything up to the actual involvement of nato troops in the fighting is fair game.
Yes, the logic/message should be USA stay out of it as long as no nukes are used.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 2:14 pm
by Zhivago
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 2:15 pm
by Zhivago
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 2:23 pm
by Zhivago
Farthest advance reported is Kromskie Byki. A lot of chatter on Russian channels that Ukraine will try to take the nuclear power point in Kurchatov.
another telegram channel
https://t.me/s/SergeyKolyasnikov
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 2:37 pm
by Zhivago
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:27 pm
by Sandydragon
Zhivago,
Everything I'm reading suggests that only limited (albeit mobile) Ukrainian troops have been deployed, which points towards a diversionary attack to force Russia to move troops from elsewhere. Is there anything you have found that offers a different view?
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:43 pm
by Sandydragon
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:27 pm
Zhivago,
Everything I'm reading suggests that only limited (albeit mobile) Ukrainian troops have been deployed, which points towards a diversionary attack to force Russia to move troops from elsewhere. Is there anything you have found that offers a different view?
A more recent report suggests this is a 2 brigade operation, so not inconsequential numbers.
