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belgarion wrote:

rowan wrote:People who are so dumb they think Autumn begins on September 1. And they don't believe you when you politely explain that it actually begins at the equinox in late September because the seasons are determined by the sun and not the Roman calendar - which was squeezed out of shape to appease the egos of a couple of emperors. But they're not having any of it. September 1 will always be the start of Autumn to them, because that's what they have always believed and they're incapable of mental adjustment. These same flat-earth cretins are also wont to claim that summer begins on December 1 (and that Christmas really is all about baby Jesus), March 1 is the beginning of Spring (Easter also about Jesus) and Summer begins on the first of June. Of course, the Americans are even dumber than that. They don't even know what Autumn means...

Meteorologically(SP?), 1st of September IS the start of Autumn

In England maybe, where's summer lasts about 2 weeks. Just google it. Every result comes up as September 23 - and frankly you'd have to be really silly to believe otherwise.

This should help:

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People who get annoyed at other people holding valid opinions.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-45371322

It would seem the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Certainly looking forward to the end of summer, that's for sure. Just a few weeks left now. What's been really interesting about the last few summers here is that temperatures hit the 30s pretty much right on cue in late June and continue without any significant let-up until the end of summer in late September. But we don't seem to get the freakish 40-degree or so heat-waves that were guaranteed to come once or twice a summer in the past.

& this is my 14th summer here, btw, so I'm becoming something of an expert. For instance, a useful trick is to put some talc in your undies before walking anywhere, and if your commute to work involves any significant exertion do NOT wear your work clothes. Instead keep them and your work shoes at the office and do your commute in light sports attire and trainers (took me years to work this out).

rowan wrote:This should help:

Which country is this for? And by the way you should make it clear in your post what country you are
referring to when you say 'People saying autumn starts on 1st September when it doesn't' It does in the UK.

rowan wrote:

belgarion wrote:

rowan wrote:This should help:

Which country is this for? And by the way you should make it clear in your post what country you are
referring to when you say 'People saying autumn starts on 1st September when it doesn't' It does in the UK.

It's universal. Just google it. This is according to science and astronomy. Pope Gregory's days are long gone - except perhaps in Britain

Wrong!!. It may be correct for the majority of the northern hemisphere (countries on/astride the equator don't really
have seasons as such) but any country south of the equator has it's order of seasons reversed, Which is why you have
to be accurate in which country you are referring to.

And don't forget that Newfoundland is a half an hour out of kilter with everyone else. Not that it matters, its always fecking freezing there.

belgarion wrote:

rowan wrote:

belgarion wrote:
Which country is this for? And by the way you should make it clear in your post what country you are
referring to when you say 'People saying autumn starts on 1st September when it doesn't' It does in the UK.

It's universal. Just google it. This is according to science and astronomy. Pope Gregory's days are long gone - except perhaps in Britain

Wrong!!. It may be correct for the majority of the northern hemisphere (countries on/astride the equator don't really
have seasons as such) but any country south of the equator has it's order of seasons reversed, Which is why you have
to be accurate in which country you are referring to.

Wrong! Stop being an arrogant looking twat for one second and take a look at the meme your posting onto the forum yourself. If you want to carry on with your flat-earth Pope Gregory I view of the world, fine, but the rest of the world has moved on.

rowan wrote:American translation:

I remember my summers in Nebraska and it was just like this. First few weeks of September were stifling, then came the freakish lightning storms at the beginning of October, then came the snow. By Xmas everything was completely white - and then it stopped snowing and temperatures plunged way below zero. They said it was too cold to snow at that time of year In this state we continued until late March, then slowly the snow began to thaw, there were glimpses of color, and by early April everything was green, green, green! It really is something else to witness the arrival of spring in a place which receives so much snow. But by late June we would be sweating our asses off again and fighting oFf the mozzies

That's what you call WEATHER

Looks like someone has taken something topical in the news cycle and used it to fabricate an argument on a rugby chat forum. What a winner.

rowan wrote:

rowan wrote:American translation:

I remember my summers in Nebraska and it was just like this. First few weeks of September were stifling, then came the freakish lightning storms at the beginning of October, then came the snow. By Xmas everything was completely white - and then it stopped snowing and temperatures plunged way below zero. They said it was too cold to snow at that time of year In this state we continued until late March, then slowly the snow began to thaw, there were glimpses of color, and by early April everything was green, green, green! It really is something else to witness the arrival of spring in a place which receives so much snow. But by late June we would be sweating our asses off again and fighting oFf the mozzies

That's what you call WEATHER

Forgot to mention the tornadoes. They came in late spring but generally tended to fizzle out in Kansas. Though I remember being holed up in the basement once as one went by. Scary stuff

rowan wrote:

belgarion wrote:

rowan wrote:
It's universal. Just google it. This is according to science and astronomy. Pope Gregory's days are long gone - except perhaps in Britain

Wrong!!. It may be correct for the majority of the northern hemisphere (countries on/astride the equator don't really
have seasons as such) but any country south of the equator has it's order of seasons reversed, Which is why you have
to be accurate in which country you are referring to.

Wrong! Stop being an arrogant looking twat for one second and take a look at the meme your posting onto the forum yourself. If you want to carry on with your flat-earth Pope Gregory I view of the world, fine, but the rest of the world has moved on.

Listen numb nuts you said those dates for the start of autumn were Universal, last time I looked that meant every where. . think you'll find that September in Oz is Spring not Autumn. By the way on a flat earth everywhere would have the same season at the same time so according to your earlier post you're the flat earthed not me

It shouldn't need explaining to anyone but a flat-earth cretin still locked into 16th century Gregorian mode that the Google results are invariably for the universally recognized Northern Hemisphere Autumn - which begins this year on September 23. Get over it.

Google meteorology now. Might as well all be home schooled from now on, with search algorithms determining the quality of one's knowledge.

rowan wrote:People who are so dumb they think Autumn begins on September 1. And they don't believe you when you politely explain that it actually begins at the equinox in late September because the seasons are determined by the sun and not the Roman calendar - which was squeezed out of shape to appease the egos of a couple of emperors. But they're not having any of it. September 1 will always be the start of Autumn to them, because that's what they have always believed and they're incapable of mental adjustment. These same flat-earth cretins are also wont to claim that summer begins on December 1 (and that Christmas really is all about baby Jesus), March 1 is the beginning of Spring (Easter also about Jesus) and Summer begins on the first of June. Of course, the Americans are even dumber than that. They don't even know what Autumn means...

I would like to thank Belgarion for helping me illustrate that point.

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Ah, yes, just three more weeks of summer left

rowan wrote:It shouldn't need explaining to anyone but a flat-earth cretin still locked into 16th century Gregorian mode that the Google results are invariably for the universally recognized Northern Hemisphere Autumn - which begins this year on September 23. Get over it.

I am not a flat earth cretin, the only reason we have seasons at all is because the earth is a oblate spheroid whose axis of rotation is 23.5
degrees from it's orbital plane. If this wasn't so there would be no seasons.

And as for your statement that Google results are invariably for the universally recognised Northern hemisphere it still does not mean that
autumn everywhere starts in September which is what you are implying.

The English seasonal calendar is very easily explained:

Winter - October 1 to June 30
Spring - July 1 to July 31
Summer - August 1 to August 31
Autumn - September 1 to September 30

But for everyone else in the Northern Hemisphere, enjoy the rest of the summer

At last.!. there's nothing flat-earthy about different definitions for the same word..
and for some other flavours:
"Ireland uses an ancient Celtic calendar system to determine the seasons, so spring begins on St Brigid's Day on February 1. Some cultures, especially those in South Asia have calendars that divide the year into six seasons, instead of the four that most of us are familiar with.
In Finland and Sweden, the dates of the seasons are not based on the calendar at all, but on temperatures. Here, spring officially begins when the average temperature rises above 0 °C (32 °F). This means that the seasons within each county start and end on different dates, depending on the regions and their climate."
[timeanddate.com]

With due respect to the ancient Celts, Picts, Laps, Samoyeds, Yakuts and Inuits, modern astronomy south of the Arctic Circle has actually established the seasons on a scientific basis, providing the exact dates of the equinoxes and solstices. They had also established that the earth is not flat and rotates around the sun, rather than the other way around. Hope that is not too much of a shock to y'all. Next week we'll talk about Darwin

god's, is this still going?

Out of inferest - what is it about a different start date for the seasons that makes you think about flat earthers or Copernicus? It's never had anything to do with either.

In the UK the leaves are starting to turn, the night-time temperature is dropping, plant life is slowing down were into Autumnal weather patterns (approximately), soft fruit season has more-or-less ended and we're into hard fruits and nuts and it's getting dark around 8.00

In terms of nature, were into Autumn - which yes, is out of sync with the equinox/solstice calendar, but is still scientific, and far more relevant to what anyone would call a "season". The meteorological seasons are based in what nature is doing around us, though fudged a bit or each degree of latitude would have a different date.
Astronomical seasons are based on the position of the planet relative to the sun, and is so ony a convenient, and easily measured way to divide the year into 4 equal quarters. A more sensible approach to the astronomical season would be to place the equinox/solstice in the middle of the season - which is what the ancient (British) calendars did.

All 3 are valid, all 3 are scientific, and all 3 are used in different locations around the world. None require a geocentric perspective, and certainly none require a flat earth perspective that has never existed as common perception.