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Sounds like Trump is determined to ignore the professional staffers in the various departments as much as possible and rely instead on his clique.
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Just read in the Telegraph that Schwarzenegger is looking to take a run at the senate. Interesting.
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Which Tyler wrote:http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... -insurance
Take today, for example, when the GOP House Speaker did a little presentation on Capitol Hill for reporters in defense of his controversial American Health Care Act, which some have begun calling “Trumpcare.” At one point during the slideshow – complete with Ryan’s sleeves rolled up – the Wisconsin Republican tried to explain what he sees as the Affordable Care Act’s fatal flaw:

“The fatal conceit of Obamacare is that we’re just gonna make everybody buy our health insurance at the federal-government level, young and healthy people are going to go into the market and pay for the older, sicker people. So, the young healthy person is going to be made to buy health care, and they’re going to pay for the person, you know, gets breast cancer in her 40s or who gets heart disease in his 50s. […]

The whole idea of Obamacare is … the people who are healthy pay for the people who are sick. It’s not working, and that’s why it’s in a death spiral.
As opposed to any other form of insurance, of course; I mean, only people who crash their cars pay for car insurance; and only those whose homes burn down pay for fire insurance... erm...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pl ... 1ba9d1f7cf
But fear not: If the GOP repeal drive does fail in Congress, Trump has a secret, backup plan to kill the Affordable Care Act. And it’s actually a pretty good plan, if you view it from the point of view of Trump and many Republicans.

In an Oval Office meeting featuring several leaders of conservative groups already lining up against the House Republican plan to repeal and replace Obamacare, President Donald Trump revealed his plan in the event the GOP effort fails: Allow Obamcare to fail and let Democrats take the blame, sources at the gathering told CNN.
Good to see that he's looking out for the little guy.

Sweet baby jeebus.
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Regarding the medical insurance, I think there is some fantastic anti-logical thinking going on in there. The concept that you pay into a fund for the day that you need to use it is in fact missed on these people then?
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And the Times is now reporting that a number of US states are going to challenge the new travel ban. I wonder what sort of bigly meltdown that would result in?
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Sandydragon wrote:Regarding the medical insurance, I think there is some fantastic anti-logical thinking going on in there. The concept that you pay into a fund for the day that you need to use it is in fact missed on these people then?
Are you talking about the Health Savings Accounts?

They are just tax loopholes for wealthy people.
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Reading that quote from Ryan again - it's almost like he can't wrap his around the principal of young people becoming old people via the linear application of time.
Surely, it's not too complicated for even this adminstration to wrap their brains around.
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Sandydragon wrote:Just read in the Telegraph that Schwarzenegger is looking to take a run at the senate. Interesting.
Will he run on a justice for murderers platform?
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Sandydragon wrote:And the Times is now reporting that a number of US states are going to challenge the new travel ban. I wonder what sort of bigly meltdown that would result in?
In Trump's defence literally nobody knew that governing a huge country was complicated. Sad.
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Which Tyler wrote:Reading that quote from Ryan again - it's almost like he can't wrap his around the principal of young people becoming old people via the linear application of time.
Surely, it's not too complicated for even this adminstration to wrap their brains around.
Fucker knows full well, he is just playing to the gallery. As soon as the baby boomers start hitting hip replacement and dementia age, insurance companies will just hammer them in rates. This is the essence of what the Orange Bigly Amendment got herded into doing after the Trumpet meet with health insurance CEOs (giving rise to his "who thought health insurance could be so complicated" comment). Essentially he has gone in totally unprepared and pig-ignorant and been herded like a goat into a place that allows insurers to target their profit lines to specific areas. Unlike the orange fuckhead, they have actual data to work with.
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morepork wrote:
Which Tyler wrote:Reading that quote from Ryan again - it's almost like he can't wrap his around the principal of young people becoming old people via the linear application of time.
Surely, it's not too complicated for even this adminstration to wrap their brains around.
Fucker knows full well, he is just playing to the gallery. As soon as the baby boomers start hitting hip replacement and dementia age, insurance companies will just hammer them in rates. This is the essence of what the Orange Bigly Amendment got herded into doing after the Trumpet meet with health insurance CEOs (giving rise to his "who thought health insurance could be so complicated" comment). Essentially he has gone in totally unprepared and pig-ignorant and been herded like a goat into a place that allows insurers to target their profit lines to specific areas. Unlike the orange fuckhead, they have actual data to work with.
But this is the guy who brings home the big deal. Surely not?
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Once again the cunt is spending the weekend at his Florida golf resort. Jesus christ.
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What terrible atrocities has President Trump committed this week then? Ah playing golf is it, he should be hung drawn and quartered the scoundrel, how dare he.
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morepork wrote:Once again the cunt is spending the weekend at his Florida golf resort. Jesus christ.
I wonder if one of his staff have nicked his SIM card.
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Lord Lucan wrote:What terrible atrocities has President Trump committed this week then? Ah playing golf is it, he should be hung drawn and quartered the scoundrel, how dare he.
You mean besides fucking over potentially millions of people based on their religion and health care for millions more based on their financial status?

Trump's desire to play golf at every possible chance is at complete odds with his previous criticism of Obama playing golf occasionally when he was in office, as well as his insistence that he would be too busy to play golf if he got elected.

Total cunt.
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So he's not allowed time off then, being President is a job tha knows, he's entitled to time off like the rest of us.

If the muslims got their own house in order he wouldn't have to ban certain countries, they only have themselves to blame, if Britain had any balls we would do the same.

Obama played golf while an American hostage got the jihad John treatment, still its been double standards from the media since Trump took over.
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WaspInWales wrote:
Lord Lucan wrote:What terrible atrocities has President Trump committed this week then? Ah playing golf is it, he should be hung drawn and quartered the scoundrel, how dare he.
You mean besides fucking over potentially millions of people based on their religion and health care for millions more based on their financial status?

Trump's desire to play golf at every possible chance is at complete odds with his previous criticism of Obama playing golf occasionally when he was in office, as well as his insistence that he would be too busy to play golf if he got elected.

Total cunt.
I don't have a problem with leaders relaxing, unless they have criticised predecessors for doing exactly the same in which case they are just hypocrites.
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Lord Lucan wrote:So he's not allowed time off then, being President is a job tha knows, he's entitled to time off like the rest of us.

If the muslims got their own house in order he wouldn't have to ban certain countries, they only have themselves to blame, if Britain had any balls we would do the same.

Obama played golf while an American hostage got the jihad John treatment, still its been double standards from the media since Trump took over.
Of course he's allowed to put his little orange legs up for a rest now and then...the problem arises when he has spent so much energy criticising his predecessor for occasionally doing the same and then has done the same himself every weekend since being sworn-in.

Islam isn't the problem. Extremism is the issue and it exists in all religions, belief systems and even in politics. I was already aware of just how extreme some Americans view their politics prior to the latest election, but the last few months has really been an eye-opener in terms of the extreme lengths some people go to support their 'team'. That goes for Democrats, as well as Republicans. It's the same kind of partisan bollocks that brings so much violence to supporting some sports teams.
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He is so full of shit.

Oh, and as for the "muslims should get their own house in order" comment, there is winding up, and there's offensive. Being able to recognize that line is a good skill to have.
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WaspInWales wrote:
Lord Lucan wrote:So he's not allowed time off then, being President is a job tha knows, he's entitled to time off like the rest of us.

If the muslims got their own house in order he wouldn't have to ban certain countries, they only have themselves to blame, if Britain had any balls we would do the same.

Obama played golf while an American hostage got the jihad John treatment, still its been double standards from the media since Trump took over.
Of course he's allowed to put his little orange legs up for a rest now and then...the problem arises when he has spent so much energy criticising his predecessor for occasionally doing the same and then has done the same himself every weekend since being sworn-in.

Islam isn't the problem. Extremism is the issue and it exists in all religions, belief systems and even in politics. I was already aware of just how extreme some Americans view their politics prior to the latest election, but the last few months has really been an eye-opener in terms of the extreme lengths some people go to support their 'team'. That goes for Democrats, as well as Republicans. It's the same kind of partisan bollocks that brings so much violence to supporting some sports teams.
Islam is the problem, its not really a religion, its more of an ideology, an ideology of conquest. Name other religions that kill people on a daily basis on the scale that is done in the name of Islam.
The media is trying to brainwash people with this "Islam is a religion of peace nonsense" this couldn't be further from the truth, the Koran is a hate filled book full of violence, isis, al shabab, boko haram, and all the other nutters are following this book to the letter, it is the so called moderate muslims who either don't know what is in the Koran or just don't want to practice what is in it. I suggest you do more research on the Koran, before claiming Islam isn't the problem, extremism is.
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Lord Lucan wrote:
WaspInWales wrote:
Lord Lucan wrote:So he's not allowed time off then, being President is a job tha knows, he's entitled to time off like the rest of us.

If the muslims got their own house in order he wouldn't have to ban certain countries, they only have themselves to blame, if Britain had any balls we would do the same.

Obama played golf while an American hostage got the jihad John treatment, still its been double standards from the media since Trump took over.
Of course he's allowed to put his little orange legs up for a rest now and then...the problem arises when he has spent so much energy criticising his predecessor for occasionally doing the same and then has done the same himself every weekend since being sworn-in.

Islam isn't the problem. Extremism is the issue and it exists in all religions, belief systems and even in politics. I was already aware of just how extreme some Americans view their politics prior to the latest election, but the last few months has really been an eye-opener in terms of the extreme lengths some people go to support their 'team'. That goes for Democrats, as well as Republicans. It's the same kind of partisan bollocks that brings so much violence to supporting some sports teams.
Islam is the problem, its not really a religion, its more of an ideology, an ideology of conquest. Name other religions that kill people on a daily basis on the scale that is done in the name of Islam.
The media is trying to brainwash people with this "Islam is a religion of peace nonsense" this couldn't be further from the truth, the Koran is a hate filled book full of violence, isis, al shabab, boko haram, and all the other nutters are following this book to the letter, it is the so called moderate muslims who either don't know what is in the Koran or just don't want to practice what is in it. I suggest you do more research on the Koran, before claiming Islam isn't the problem, extremism is.
Capitalism has killed more than Islam ever will

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Lord Lucan wrote:
WaspInWales wrote:
Lord Lucan wrote:So he's not allowed time off then, being President is a job tha knows, he's entitled to time off like the rest of us.

If the muslims got their own house in order he wouldn't have to ban certain countries, they only have themselves to blame, if Britain had any balls we would do the same.

Obama played golf while an American hostage got the jihad John treatment, still its been double standards from the media since Trump took over.
Of course he's allowed to put his little orange legs up for a rest now and then...the problem arises when he has spent so much energy criticising his predecessor for occasionally doing the same and then has done the same himself every weekend since being sworn-in.

Islam isn't the problem. Extremism is the issue and it exists in all religions, belief systems and even in politics. I was already aware of just how extreme some Americans view their politics prior to the latest election, but the last few months has really been an eye-opener in terms of the extreme lengths some people go to support their 'team'. That goes for Democrats, as well as Republicans. It's the same kind of partisan bollocks that brings so much violence to supporting some sports teams.
Islam is the problem, its not really a religion, its more of an ideology, an ideology of conquest. Name other religions that kill people on a daily basis on the scale that is done in the name of Islam.
The media is trying to brainwash people with this "Islam is a religion of peace nonsense" this couldn't be further from the truth, the Koran is a hate filled book full of violence, isis, al shabab, boko haram, and all the other nutters are following this book to the letter, it is the so called moderate muslims who either don't know what is in the Koran or just don't want to practice what is in it. I suggest you do more research on the Koran, before claiming Islam isn't the problem, extremism is.
I'd suggest that the right wing websites you frequent are doing more to brainwash you against Islam. The problem is clearly extremism as the vast majority of Muslims live a peaceful existence and have tolerance to other religions. That said, there are clearly many factions and Islamist groups who have no desire to live like that, but is it really any different from extremism in other religions? Christianity/Judaism/Hinduism all have their fair share of nutjobs that would be more than happy to kill for their God. Even now, western leaders tell the world that God is on their side when they go to war. The Yanks love being told that God is on their side when they're dropping bombs on innocent people.

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of religion at all. They were all created by man as a way to control people through fear through damnation if they strayed and the promise of some kind of wonderful afterlife if they were good. However, many people live their lives following religion in a moderate manner and good luck to them, but my point, yet again, is they are not affected by extremism. You can't paint a whole group of people with the same brush just because some are knobheads.

This is before we even get into US and western foreign policies which have resulted in Muslim countries being invaded, bombed, had their resources taken and forced into regime change. Hmmm, maybe there's a link there with extremism?
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Zhivago wrote:
Lord Lucan wrote:
WaspInWales wrote:
Of course he's allowed to put his little orange legs up for a rest now and then...the problem arises when he has spent so much energy criticising his predecessor for occasionally doing the same and then has done the same himself every weekend since being sworn-in.

Islam isn't the problem. Extremism is the issue and it exists in all religions, belief systems and even in politics. I was already aware of just how extreme some Americans view their politics prior to the latest election, but the last few months has really been an eye-opener in terms of the extreme lengths some people go to support their 'team'. That goes for Democrats, as well as Republicans. It's the same kind of partisan bollocks that brings so much violence to supporting some sports teams.
Islam is the problem, its not really a religion, its more of an ideology, an ideology of conquest. Name other religions that kill people on a daily basis on the scale that is done in the name of Islam.
The media is trying to brainwash people with this "Islam is a religion of peace nonsense" this couldn't be further from the truth, the Koran is a hate filled book full of violence, isis, al shabab, boko haram, and all the other nutters are following this book to the letter, it is the so called moderate muslims who either don't know what is in the Koran or just don't want to practice what is in it. I suggest you do more research on the Koran, before claiming Islam isn't the problem, extremism is.
Capitalism has killed more than Islam ever will
Political systems might have killed more than religious ones, but they're hugely entwined. And if one is taking a pop at capitalism than (a) communist systems have killed plenty too, and (b) one could blame the communist parties for not presenting a credible electoral alternative to capitalism
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morepork wrote:He is so full of shit.

Oh, and as for the "muslims should get their own house in order" comment, there is winding up, and there's offensive. Being able to recognize that line is a good skill to have.
Islam does need to get its house in order. But we don't need to go back too many years when the same could have been said, and said more stridently, of Christianity.

By no means is Christianity in perfect shape now, nor those more secular societies which have developed from christian backgrounds, but we haven't got quite the same problems of patriarchal, misogynistic, anti-science leadership at the heart of the community, we've got a sad step in that direction with the election of Trump but it's only a small step in the big picture.
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Digby wrote:
Zhivago wrote:
Lord Lucan wrote:
Islam is the problem, its not really a religion, its more of an ideology, an ideology of conquest. Name other religions that kill people on a daily basis on the scale that is done in the name of Islam.
The media is trying to brainwash people with this "Islam is a religion of peace nonsense" this couldn't be further from the truth, the Koran is a hate filled book full of violence, isis, al shabab, boko haram, and all the other nutters are following this book to the letter, it is the so called moderate muslims who either don't know what is in the Koran or just don't want to practice what is in it. I suggest you do more research on the Koran, before claiming Islam isn't the problem, extremism is.
Capitalism has killed more than Islam ever will
Political systems might have killed more than religious ones, but they're hugely entwined. And if one is taking a pop at capitalism than (a) communist systems have killed plenty too, and (b) one could blame the communist parties for not presenting a credible electoral alternative to capitalism
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