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WaspInWales wrote:Is there a chance that Trump spends so much of his time at Mar-a-Lago because he doesn't trust the White House due to possible intelligence services bugs and other surveillance?

morepork wrote:He spends time there so he can fucking showcase the gaudy shithole to the world. His missus lives in NY, he spends at least two days a week in Florida, and there are massive restructuring projects needing urgent attention (the department of Treasury infrastructure as of 12th March: https://www.treasury.gov/about/organiza ... cials.aspx). One has to conclude that the Orange Donkey is not actually the one pulling the strings. He is meeting Merkel next week, which should be interesting. He will probably only be able to do it if he brings his fucking Stepford children with him, because international diplomacy is obviously the right place to bring the family. Except the wife, of course.

Digby wrote:

morepork wrote: Islam does need to get its house in order. But we don't need to go back too many years when the same could have been said, and said more stridently, of Christianity.

By no means is Christianity in perfect shape now, nor those more secular societies which have developed from christian backgrounds, but we haven't got quite the same problems of patriarchal, misogynistic, anti-science leadership at the heart of the community, we've got a sad step in that direction with the election of Trump but it's only a small step in the big picture.

WaspInWales wrote:Is there a chance that Trump spends so much of his time at Mar-a-Lago because he doesn't trust the White House due to possible intelligence services bugs and other surveillance?

cashead wrote:And lol at "when he said 'wiretapping,' he didn't mean 'wiretapping.'"

And double lol at Trumpy screaming about McCarthyism, which was all about making flimsy accusations without any evidence to discredit opponents. Do you even history, you orange fucknugget?

WaspInWales wrote:

Lord Lucan wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:
Of course he's allowed to put his little orange legs up for a rest now and then...the problem arises when he has spent so much energy criticising his predecessor for occasionally doing the same and then has done the same himself every weekend since being sworn-in.

Islam isn't the problem. Extremism is the issue and it exists in all religions, belief systems and even in politics. I was already aware of just how extreme some Americans view their politics prior to the latest election, but the last few months has really been an eye-opener in terms of the extreme lengths some people go to support their 'team'. That goes for Democrats, as well as Republicans. It's the same kind of partisan bollocks that brings so much violence to supporting some sports teams.

Islam is the problem, its not really a religion, its more of an ideology, an ideology of conquest. Name other religions that kill people on a daily basis on the scale that is done in the name of Islam.
The media is trying to brainwash people with this "Islam is a religion of peace nonsense" this couldn't be further from the truth, the Koran is a hate filled book full of violence, isis, al shabab, boko haram, and all the other nutters are following this book to the letter, it is the so called moderate muslims who either don't know what is in the Koran or just don't want to practice what is in it. I suggest you do more research on the Koran, before claiming Islam isn't the problem, extremism is.

I'd suggest that the right wing websites you frequent are doing more to brainwash you against Islam. The problem is clearly extremism as the vast majority of Muslims live a peaceful existence and have tolerance to other religions. That said, there are clearly many factions and Islamist groups who have no desire to live like that, but is it really any different from extremism in other religions? Christianity/Judaism/Hinduism all have their fair share of nutjobs that would be more than happy to kill for their God. Even now, western leaders tell the world that God is on their side when they go to war. The Yanks love being told that God is on their side when they're dropping bombs on innocent people.

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of religion at all. They were all created by man as a way to control people through fear through damnation if they strayed and the promise of some kind of wonderful afterlife if they were good. However, many people live their lives following religion in a moderate manner and good luck to them, but my point, yet again, is they are not affected by extremism. You can't paint a whole group of people with the same brush just because some are knobheads.

This is before we even get into US and western foreign policies which have resulted in Muslim countries being invaded, bombed, had their resources taken and forced into regime change. Hmmm, maybe there's a link there with extremism?

Lord Lucan wrote:Islam has taken over, or is trying, or tried to take over every country it has been introduced to, the Koran is a manual of war and conquest.
You assume I get my info from right wing extremists, this is folly, I suggest you listen to this man, Walid Shoebat, he is a Palestinian born in Bethlehem, he became a PLO terrorist as a teenager, lucky for him he saw the error of his ways, converted to Christianity, and now lives in America. He knows Islam inside out, and yours and other peoples view that it is only the radicals that are the problem, and that all so called moderate muslims are perfectly OK and peace loving, this is completely incorrect.
Don't take it from me, take it from someone who knows. People are being hoodwinked about Islam, but there will come a time when it will come back to bite everyone in the West on the arse.

There seems to be a pattern forming, people are quick to leap to the defense of Islam, and they all use the same old quote, " other religions are just as bad," these same people hate Trump, don't have a problem with mass immigration, they accept open borders, are against Brexit, dislike nationalism, and call anyone who sees things differently from them, a racist, bigot, misogynist, nazi. Islam loves you people, for now, but once fully established, they will dispense with you just as quickly if not quicker than the rest of us.

Walid Shoebat.
https://youtu.be/4aFEyAZc-5c

WaspInWales wrote:Ouch:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/opin ... dency.html

There is only the same old Trump: Dangerous and unpredictable, gauche and greedy, temperamentally unsuited and emotionally unsound

cashead wrote:I grew up in a country that violently resisted Catholic attempts to take over the nation. There was a Muslim community right round the corner from where I lived, and Mum would often drop my brother and me off at one of the homes there, where we were well looked after by a lovely Malaysian Muslim family. This was, like, 30 years ago and if the Muslims are trying to take over this country, they're doing a pretty fucking terrible job at it.

The only effect it's had on me as a person is that I've always fucking loved South East Asian food.

Sandydragon wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:Ouch:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/opin ... dency.html

Indeed

[/There is only the same old Trump: Dangerous and unpredictable, gauche and greedy, temperamentally unsuited and emotionally unsound.quote]

WaspInWales wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:Ouch:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/opin ... dency.html

Indeed

[/There is only the same old Trump: Dangerous and unpredictable, gauche and greedy, temperamentally unsuited and emotionally unsound.quote]

Something tells me Charles M. Blow has blown his chances of being invited to any White House press conferences.

Sandydragon wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
Indeed

Something tells me Charles M. Blow has blown his chances of being invited to any White House press conferences.

I get the impression that he isn't bothered. Hard to argue with that article mind; Trump is obviously a buffoon, but the best we can hope for is someone else in 4 years time.

cashead wrote:Speaking of Spicey Sean,

Which Tyler wrote:

cashead wrote:Speaking of Spicey Sean,

Seany Spice shewerly

WaspInWales wrote:

Lord Lucan wrote:Islam has taken over, or is trying, or tried to take over every country it has been introduced to, the Koran is a manual of war and conquest.
You assume I get my info from right wing extremists, this is folly, I suggest you listen to this man, Walid Shoebat, he is a Palestinian born in Bethlehem, he became a PLO terrorist as a teenager, lucky for him he saw the error of his ways, converted to Christianity, and now lives in America. He knows Islam inside out, and yours and other peoples view that it is only the radicals that are the problem, and that all so called moderate muslims are perfectly OK and peace loving, this is completely incorrect.
Don't take it from me, take it from someone who knows. People are being hoodwinked about Islam, but there will come a time when it will come back to bite everyone in the West on the arse.

There seems to be a pattern forming, people are quick to leap to the defense of Islam, and they all use the same old quote, " other religions are just as bad," these same people hate Trump, don't have a problem with mass immigration, they accept open borders, are against Brexit, dislike nationalism, and call anyone who sees things differently from them, a racist, bigot, misogynist, nazi. Islam loves you people, for now, but once fully established, they will dispense with you just as quickly if not quicker than the rest of us.

Walid Shoebat.
https://youtu.be/4aFEyAZc-5c

Yeah, he seems legit:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Walid_Shoebat

WaspInWales wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:
Something tells me Charles M. Blow has blown his chances of being invited to any White House press conferences.

I get the impression that he isn't bothered. Hard to argue with that article mind; Trump is obviously a buffoon, but the best we can hope for is someone else in 4 years time.

Surely the best we can hope for is Trump being forced out before then?