WaspInWales wrote:Lord Lucan wrote:
In your eyes anyone who voted for Trump is a right wing, racist, white supremacist, extremist, so is anyone who voted for Brexit, as is anyone against mass immigration, also anyone who see's islam as a threat to the world.
Thats the thing with political correctness, you are either PC or you are all of the above, you don't see any middle ground.
I have called for terrorists to be murdered, and suspects to be rounded up, through your PC eyes that means any muslim, thats your hyperbole. You would give these bad guys all the rights afforded to any citizen of Great Britain, given the chance, if they could, they would give us all the choice to convert or die, so I don't see them as worthy of such protection
You have said you need to separate the word extremism from islam you are 100% wrong, and until the government and people like you understand this we can never hope to defeat them. The radicals are slaughtering people everyday in the name of allah, what more evidence do you need than that? or do you think they just enjoy killing people and are just using islam as an excuse to do it?
First off all, decent post, well kinda...
Let me just put you right on a few points there though:
I do not think anyone who voted for Trump is a 'right wing, racist, white supremacist, extremist'. I'm sure some of his voters tick a few of those boxes, but I'm also sure that Trump's rallying calls during the election campaign appealed to many people wanting to lay the blame for all the problems in America on Mexicans, Muslims and any other country pissing on America in terms of trade deals and agreements. The facts do no back up the claims. America, just like most other places in the world have severe socio-economic issues that contribute to crime and violence.
Brexit campaigning followed a similar line. I accept the outcome of the referendum, but I have absolutely no doubt that the leave campaign swayed many voters with promises about immigration, crime and the NHS. Apparently, it's only people coming in from other European, African and/or ME countries that use and abuse our welfare system, NHS and commit crimes. As it has turned out, those claims were baseless, complete bollocks or twisted in some way.
The middle ground which you state I'm unable to see is the fact there are many people from sections of society who have been blamed for any number of issues, but these people, by a large live in peace. This is why there has been so much opposition to Trump's proposed policies. He's attacking people based on race or religion and ignoring the issues that have always been present in the US. When it comes to gun crime and violence in general, the US is up there. Since trying to ban some Muslims from entering the country, how many US citizens have been murdered by other US citizens in cold blood? I reckon it's quite a few more than have been killed by the radicals you're so obsessed with and that probably includes victims of Islamist terrorist attacks in the UK and Europe too. The middle ground in being decent enough to offer legal counsel to the so-called suspects you're condoning should be rounded up. Where does rounding up suspects end?
I'm not denying that Islam, or any other religion doesn't have issues in the way that some sections of its followers choose to live their lives and impose their beliefs on others. It clearly does and needs to be addressed, but applying the 'solution' to all followers from certain countries isn't the way forward.
So, let me get this straight, you don't think it's possible to separate the words 'extremism' and 'Islam'?
I take it watching Paul Pogba's recent pilgrimage to Mecca had you reporting openly radical terrorism to Manchester Police? Has watching SBW fend off numerous defenders before touching down for another try or try scoring offload left you in a trembling wreck behind the sofa? These guys are Muslim. Do you think they're a phone call away from being activated?
Many millions of people are capable of following their faith in a peaceful, respectful manner.
Just to be clear, this is coming from someone who thinks that religion on the whole is a dreadful concept.
This is before US, and many western governments foreign policy in the ME is discussed. Policies that have brought death through bombing and starvation as well as massive human suffering over decades. I dunno, maybe there's some kind of cause and effect here?