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kk67 wrote:Rushdie is an opinionated twat. But that doesn't make him wrong.

morepork wrote:That video is comical. Anecdotal statistics. Brilliant.

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:

kk67 wrote:Rushdie is an opinionated twat. But that doesn't make him wrong.

Sure now, I didn't say he was wrong. I wouldn't even venture to accuse the man of being opinionated; we all tend to be or we wouldn't be arguing the toss on here.

But he is a bit of a twat.

WaspInWales wrote:

Lord Lucan wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:
I consider it quite an achievement to be accused of being both a western imperialist apologist as well as a radical muslim apologist...on the same forum.

Just to put you straight, I reply to your odious, hate filled little rants in the hope of you suddenly developing a sense of reason. I realise there is little chance of that happening as your views are extreme in themselves. Remember, extremism is the issue here. You have called for people to be rounded up, interned and even murdered.

I'm sure you look up to fellas like this:
http://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown ... upremacist

Murdered two innocent people just for standing up for two young muslim girls he was using threatening behaviour against.

He uses language scarily similar to yourself.

Pfft...flat earth.

Perhaps there's a link there somewhere.

In your eyes anyone who voted for Trump is a right wing, racist, white supremacist, extremist, so is anyone who voted for Brexit, as is anyone against mass immigration, also anyone who see's islam as a threat to the world.
Thats the thing with political correctness, you are either PC or you are all of the above, you don't see any middle ground.

I have called for terrorists to be murdered, and suspects to be rounded up, through your PC eyes that means any muslim, thats your hyperbole. You would give these bad guys all the rights afforded to any citizen of Great Britain, given the chance, if they could, they would give us all the choice to convert or die, so I don't see them as worthy of such protection

You have said you need to separate the word extremism from islam you are 100% wrong, and until the government and people like you understand this we can never hope to defeat them. The radicals are slaughtering people everyday in the name of allah, what more evidence do you need than that? or do you think they just enjoy killing people and are just using islam as an excuse to do it?

First off all, decent post, well kinda...

Let me just put you right on a few points there though:

I do not think anyone who voted for Trump is a 'right wing, racist, white supremacist, extremist'. I'm sure some of his voters tick a few of those boxes, but I'm also sure that Trump's rallying calls during the election campaign appealed to many people wanting to lay the blame for all the problems in America on Mexicans, Muslims and any other country pissing on America in terms of trade deals and agreements. The facts do no back up the claims. America, just like most other places in the world have severe socio-economic issues that contribute to crime and violence.

Brexit campaigning followed a similar line. I accept the outcome of the referendum, but I have absolutely no doubt that the leave campaign swayed many voters with promises about immigration, crime and the NHS. Apparently, it's only people coming in from other European, African and/or ME countries that use and abuse our welfare system, NHS and commit crimes. As it has turned out, those claims were baseless, complete bollocks or twisted in some way.

The middle ground which you state I'm unable to see is the fact there are many people from sections of society who have been blamed for any number of issues, but these people, by a large live in peace. This is why there has been so much opposition to Trump's proposed policies. He's attacking people based on race or religion and ignoring the issues that have always been present in the US. When it comes to gun crime and violence in general, the US is up there. Since trying to ban some Muslims from entering the country, how many US citizens have been murdered by other US citizens in cold blood? I reckon it's quite a few more than have been killed by the radicals you're so obsessed with and that probably includes victims of Islamist terrorist attacks in the UK and Europe too. The middle ground in being decent enough to offer legal counsel to the so-called suspects you're condoning should be rounded up. Where does rounding up suspects end?

I'm not denying that Islam, or any other religion doesn't have issues in the way that some sections of its followers choose to live their lives and impose their beliefs on others. It clearly does and needs to be addressed, but applying the 'solution' to all followers from certain countries isn't the way forward.

So, let me get this straight, you don't think it's possible to separate the words 'extremism' and 'Islam'?

I take it watching Paul Pogba's recent pilgrimage to Mecca had you reporting openly radical terrorism to Manchester Police? Has watching SBW fend off numerous defenders before touching down for another try or try scoring offload left you in a trembling wreck behind the sofa? These guys are Muslim. Do you think they're a phone call away from being activated?

Many millions of people are capable of following their faith in a peaceful, respectful manner.

Just to be clear, this is coming from someone who thinks that religion on the whole is a dreadful concept.

This is before US, and many western governments foreign policy in the ME is discussed. Policies that have brought death through bombing and starvation as well as massive human suffering over decades. I dunno, maybe there's some kind of cause and effect here?

Lord Lucan wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:

Lord Lucan wrote:
In your eyes anyone who voted for Trump is a right wing, racist, white supremacist, extremist, so is anyone who voted for Brexit, as is anyone against mass immigration, also anyone who see's islam as a threat to the world.
Thats the thing with political correctness, you are either PC or you are all of the above, you don't see any middle ground.

I have called for terrorists to be murdered, and suspects to be rounded up, through your PC eyes that means any muslim, thats your hyperbole. You would give these bad guys all the rights afforded to any citizen of Great Britain, given the chance, if they could, they would give us all the choice to convert or die, so I don't see them as worthy of such protection

You have said you need to separate the word extremism from islam you are 100% wrong, and until the government and people like you understand this we can never hope to defeat them. The radicals are slaughtering people everyday in the name of allah, what more evidence do you need than that? or do you think they just enjoy killing people and are just using islam as an excuse to do it?

First off all, decent post, well kinda...

Let me just put you right on a few points there though:

I do not think anyone who voted for Trump is a 'right wing, racist, white supremacist, extremist'. I'm sure some of his voters tick a few of those boxes, but I'm also sure that Trump's rallying calls during the election campaign appealed to many people wanting to lay the blame for all the problems in America on Mexicans, Muslims and any other country pissing on America in terms of trade deals and agreements. The facts do no back up the claims. America, just like most other places in the world have severe socio-economic issues that contribute to crime and violence.

Brexit campaigning followed a similar line. I accept the outcome of the referendum, but I have absolutely no doubt that the leave campaign swayed many voters with promises about immigration, crime and the NHS. Apparently, it's only people coming in from other European, African and/or ME countries that use and abuse our welfare system, NHS and commit crimes. As it has turned out, those claims were baseless, complete bollocks or twisted in some way.

The middle ground which you state I'm unable to see is the fact there are many people from sections of society who have been blamed for any number of issues, but these people, by a large live in peace. This is why there has been so much opposition to Trump's proposed policies. He's attacking people based on race or religion and ignoring the issues that have always been present in the US. When it comes to gun crime and violence in general, the US is up there. Since trying to ban some Muslims from entering the country, how many US citizens have been murdered by other US citizens in cold blood? I reckon it's quite a few more than have been killed by the radicals you're so obsessed with and that probably includes victims of Islamist terrorist attacks in the UK and Europe too. The middle ground in being decent enough to offer legal counsel to the so-called suspects you're condoning should be rounded up. Where does rounding up suspects end?

I'm not denying that Islam, or any other religion doesn't have issues in the way that some sections of its followers choose to live their lives and impose their beliefs on others. It clearly does and needs to be addressed, but applying the 'solution' to all followers from certain countries isn't the way forward.

So, let me get this straight, you don't think it's possible to separate the words 'extremism' and 'Islam'?

I take it watching Paul Pogba's recent pilgrimage to Mecca had you reporting openly radical terrorism to Manchester Police? Has watching SBW fend off numerous defenders before touching down for another try or try scoring offload left you in a trembling wreck behind the sofa? These guys are Muslim. Do you think they're a phone call away from being activated?

Many millions of people are capable of following their faith in a peaceful, respectful manner.

Just to be clear, this is coming from someone who thinks that religion on the whole is a dreadful concept.

This is before US, and many western governments foreign policy in the ME is discussed. Policies that have brought death through bombing and starvation as well as massive human suffering over decades. I dunno, maybe there's some kind of cause and effect here?

Obviously you don't know enough about islam to know how dangerous it is to us in the west, it is the biggest threat we face right now and it will only get bigger. It is sheer folly to suggest that it is a peaceful religion and that it is only a small minority that poses a threat. The majority of muslims living in the west may appear peaceful but they are just biding their time, once their numbers rise to sufficient numbers, you will see their real intentions, they will demand sharia law, of course they have that now, but they will demand it for the whole country, not just for their communities.

Study islam for yourself, then decide if it poses a threat or not, but be careful where you get your info from, as muslims have what they call taqiyya, this permits them to lie and deceive as long as it promotes islam. Also when they want to preach hatred against the west, they do so in Arabic, when they want to talk about how peaceful they are so that westerners can understand them, they speak in English.
For those westerners who understand Arabic and call them out on hate speech, they just say that they must have got the translation wrong.

As I said before not all muslims are bad, if they were we would be embroiled in fighting for our lives already in western countries, but the radical ones seem to make the most noise, and when the muslim population grows so does the number of radicals, and it is they who would push the agenda, the liberal ones would just go along with it, or the radicals would have a problem with them also, they'd be coerced or bullied into it if you like.

Lord Lucan wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:

Lord Lucan wrote:
In your eyes anyone who voted for Trump is a right wing, racist, white supremacist, extremist, so is anyone who voted for Brexit, as is anyone against mass immigration, also anyone who see's islam as a threat to the world.
Thats the thing with political correctness, you are either PC or you are all of the above, you don't see any middle ground.

I have called for terrorists to be murdered, and suspects to be rounded up, through your PC eyes that means any muslim, thats your hyperbole. You would give these bad guys all the rights afforded to any citizen of Great Britain, given the chance, if they could, they would give us all the choice to convert or die, so I don't see them as worthy of such protection

You have said you need to separate the word extremism from islam you are 100% wrong, and until the government and people like you understand this we can never hope to defeat them. The radicals are slaughtering people everyday in the name of allah, what more evidence do you need than that? or do you think they just enjoy killing people and are just using islam as an excuse to do it?

First off all, decent post, well kinda...

Let me just put you right on a few points there though:

I do not think anyone who voted for Trump is a 'right wing, racist, white supremacist, extremist'. I'm sure some of his voters tick a few of those boxes, but I'm also sure that Trump's rallying calls during the election campaign appealed to many people wanting to lay the blame for all the problems in America on Mexicans, Muslims and any other country pissing on America in terms of trade deals and agreements. The facts do no back up the claims. America, just like most other places in the world have severe socio-economic issues that contribute to crime and violence.

Brexit campaigning followed a similar line. I accept the outcome of the referendum, but I have absolutely no doubt that the leave campaign swayed many voters with promises about immigration, crime and the NHS. Apparently, it's only people coming in from other European, African and/or ME countries that use and abuse our welfare system, NHS and commit crimes. As it has turned out, those claims were baseless, complete bollocks or twisted in some way.

The middle ground which you state I'm unable to see is the fact there are many people from sections of society who have been blamed for any number of issues, but these people, by a large live in peace. This is why there has been so much opposition to Trump's proposed policies. He's attacking people based on race or religion and ignoring the issues that have always been present in the US. When it comes to gun crime and violence in general, the US is up there. Since trying to ban some Muslims from entering the country, how many US citizens have been murdered by other US citizens in cold blood? I reckon it's quite a few more than have been killed by the radicals you're so obsessed with and that probably includes victims of Islamist terrorist attacks in the UK and Europe too. The middle ground in being decent enough to offer legal counsel to the so-called suspects you're condoning should be rounded up. Where does rounding up suspects end?

I'm not denying that Islam, or any other religion doesn't have issues in the way that some sections of its followers choose to live their lives and impose their beliefs on others. It clearly does and needs to be addressed, but applying the 'solution' to all followers from certain countries isn't the way forward.

So, let me get this straight, you don't think it's possible to separate the words 'extremism' and 'Islam'?

I take it watching Paul Pogba's recent pilgrimage to Mecca had you reporting openly radical terrorism to Manchester Police? Has watching SBW fend off numerous defenders before touching down for another try or try scoring offload left you in a trembling wreck behind the sofa? These guys are Muslim. Do you think they're a phone call away from being activated?

Many millions of people are capable of following their faith in a peaceful, respectful manner.

Just to be clear, this is coming from someone who thinks that religion on the whole is a dreadful concept.

This is before US, and many western governments foreign policy in the ME is discussed. Policies that have brought death through bombing and starvation as well as massive human suffering over decades. I dunno, maybe there's some kind of cause and effect here?

Obviously you don't know enough about islam to know how dangerous it is to us in the west, it is the biggest threat we face right now and it will only get bigger. It is sheer folly to suggest that it is a peaceful religion and that it is only a small minority that poses a threat. The majority of muslims living in the west may appear peaceful but they are just biding their time, once their numbers rise to sufficient numbers, you will see their real intentions, they will demand sharia law, of course they have that now, but they will demand it for the whole country, not just for their communities.

Study islam for yourself, then decide if it poses a threat or not, but be careful where you get your info from, as muslims have what they call taqiyya, this permits them to lie and deceive as long as it promotes islam. Also when they want to preach hatred against the west, they do so in Arabic, when they want to talk about how peaceful they are so that westerners can understand them, they speak in English.
For those westerners who understand Arabic and call them out on hate speech, they just say that they must have got the translation wrong.

As I said before not all muslims are bad, if they were we would be embroiled in fighting for our lives already in western countries, but the radical ones seem to make the most noise, and when the muslim population grows so does the number of radicals, and it is they who would push the agenda, the liberal ones would just go along with it, or the radicals would have a problem with them also, they'd be coerced or bullied into it if you like.

caldeyrfc wrote:Ah racist John, spreading love and happiness on rugby forums all over.......until he gets banned

WaspInWales wrote:

Lord Lucan wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:
First off all, decent post, well kinda...

Let me just put you right on a few points there though:

I do not think anyone who voted for Trump is a 'right wing, racist, white supremacist, extremist'. I'm sure some of his voters tick a few of those boxes, but I'm also sure that Trump's rallying calls during the election campaign appealed to many people wanting to lay the blame for all the problems in America on Mexicans, Muslims and any other country pissing on America in terms of trade deals and agreements. The facts do no back up the claims. America, just like most other places in the world have severe socio-economic issues that contribute to crime and violence.

Brexit campaigning followed a similar line. I accept the outcome of the referendum, but I have absolutely no doubt that the leave campaign swayed many voters with promises about immigration, crime and the NHS. Apparently, it's only people coming in from other European, African and/or ME countries that use and abuse our welfare system, NHS and commit crimes. As it has turned out, those claims were baseless, complete bollocks or twisted in some way.

The middle ground which you state I'm unable to see is the fact there are many people from sections of society who have been blamed for any number of issues, but these people, by a large live in peace. This is why there has been so much opposition to Trump's proposed policies. He's attacking people based on race or religion and ignoring the issues that have always been present in the US. When it comes to gun crime and violence in general, the US is up there. Since trying to ban some Muslims from entering the country, how many US citizens have been murdered by other US citizens in cold blood? I reckon it's quite a few more than have been killed by the radicals you're so obsessed with and that probably includes victims of Islamist terrorist attacks in the UK and Europe too. The middle ground in being decent enough to offer legal counsel to the so-called suspects you're condoning should be rounded up. Where does rounding up suspects end?

I'm not denying that Islam, or any other religion doesn't have issues in the way that some sections of its followers choose to live their lives and impose their beliefs on others. It clearly does and needs to be addressed, but applying the 'solution' to all followers from certain countries isn't the way forward.

So, let me get this straight, you don't think it's possible to separate the words 'extremism' and 'Islam'?

I take it watching Paul Pogba's recent pilgrimage to Mecca had you reporting openly radical terrorism to Manchester Police? Has watching SBW fend off numerous defenders before touching down for another try or try scoring offload left you in a trembling wreck behind the sofa? These guys are Muslim. Do you think they're a phone call away from being activated?

Many millions of people are capable of following their faith in a peaceful, respectful manner.

Just to be clear, this is coming from someone who thinks that religion on the whole is a dreadful concept.

This is before US, and many western governments foreign policy in the ME is discussed. Policies that have brought death through bombing and starvation as well as massive human suffering over decades. I dunno, maybe there's some kind of cause and effect here?

Obviously you don't know enough about islam to know how dangerous it is to us in the west, it is the biggest threat we face right now and it will only get bigger. It is sheer folly to suggest that it is a peaceful religion and that it is only a small minority that poses a threat. The majority of muslims living in the west may appear peaceful but they are just biding their time, once their numbers rise to sufficient numbers, you will see their real intentions, they will demand sharia law, of course they have that now, but they will demand it for the whole country, not just for their communities.

Study islam for yourself, then decide if it poses a threat or not, but be careful where you get your info from, as muslims have what they call taqiyya, this permits them to lie and deceive as long as it promotes islam. Also when they want to preach hatred against the west, they do so in Arabic, when they want to talk about how peaceful they are so that westerners can understand them, they speak in English.
For those westerners who understand Arabic and call them out on hate speech, they just say that they must have got the translation wrong.

As I said before not all muslims are bad, if they were we would be embroiled in fighting for our lives already in western countries, but the radical ones seem to make the most noise, and when the muslim population grows so does the number of radicals, and it is they who would push the agenda, the liberal ones would just go along with it, or the radicals would have a problem with them also, they'd be coerced or bullied into it if you like.

What an insanely paranoid life you must live. 'Biding their time', 'sufficient numbers', 'real intentions'.

So, this prophecy, vision, or whatever you call it that you have...is it based on anything real, besides what you have seen on YT and the like? I'm not referring to rhetoric rantings that radicals or extremists may have said in threats to the west. Did you have a dream, did God (the white good one) appear to you and gave you your calling to save the other whites? Do you honestly believe that Paul Pogba and Sonny Bill will be called to arms 'once their numbers rise to significant numbers'? It just seems incredibly paranoid. The same kind of paranoia that fuels racist attacks like the one in Portland.

Your paranoia is evident in quite a few of your posts tbh. The comment about Muslims spreading hate in Arabic and peace in English is just bonkers. Kinda reminds me of stories about English holiday makers visiting west or north Wales and going into pubs where the punters would go quiet for a second then start speaking in fluent Welsh. The English folk would believe they were all speaking in English before they entered, but then would insult them by speaking in Welsh in their presence....God (the white good one again) alone knows the horrors they would be saying about the English people.

In this day and age, I'm not sure your insistence that errors in translation would cover what you claim it does. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, or that very excuse hasn't been used. People reporting on speeches made in their own language can make mistakes, but languages can easily be translated these days so I'm not entirely sure excusing a hate speech in that manner would cut it.

Your understanding of taqiyya, just like many other claims you make is based on falsehoods. Maybe you should look at other sources for information instead of ones you read/look at on YouTube which support your world view? Talk about confirmation bias.

Lord Lucan wrote:

caldeyrfc wrote:Ah racist John, spreading love and happiness on rugby forums all over.......until he gets banned

Don't you have any cross dressing or BDSM websites to visit.

Lord Lucan wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:

Lord Lucan wrote:
Obviously you don't know enough about islam to know how dangerous it is to us in the west, it is the biggest threat we face right now and it will only get bigger. It is sheer folly to suggest that it is a peaceful religion and that it is only a small minority that poses a threat. The majority of muslims living in the west may appear peaceful but they are just biding their time, once their numbers rise to sufficient numbers, you will see their real intentions, they will demand sharia law, of course they have that now, but they will demand it for the whole country, not just for their communities.

Study islam for yourself, then decide if it poses a threat or not, but be careful where you get your info from, as muslims have what they call taqiyya, this permits them to lie and deceive as long as it promotes islam. Also when they want to preach hatred against the west, they do so in Arabic, when they want to talk about how peaceful they are so that westerners can understand them, they speak in English.
For those westerners who understand Arabic and call them out on hate speech, they just say that they must have got the translation wrong.

As I said before not all muslims are bad, if they were we would be embroiled in fighting for our lives already in western countries, but the radical ones seem to make the most noise, and when the muslim population grows so does the number of radicals, and it is they who would push the agenda, the liberal ones would just go along with it, or the radicals would have a problem with them also, they'd be coerced or bullied into it if you like.

What an insanely paranoid life you must live. 'Biding their time', 'sufficient numbers', 'real intentions'.

So, this prophecy, vision, or whatever you call it that you have...is it based on anything real, besides what you have seen on YT and the like? I'm not referring to rhetoric rantings that radicals or extremists may have said in threats to the west. Did you have a dream, did God (the white good one) appear to you and gave you your calling to save the other whites? Do you honestly believe that Paul Pogba and Sonny Bill will be called to arms 'once their numbers rise to significant numbers'? It just seems incredibly paranoid. The same kind of paranoia that fuels racist attacks like the one in Portland.

Your paranoia is evident in quite a few of your posts tbh. The comment about Muslims spreading hate in Arabic and peace in English is just bonkers. Kinda reminds me of stories about English holiday makers visiting west or north Wales and going into pubs where the punters would go quiet for a second then start speaking in fluent Welsh. The English folk would believe they were all speaking in English before they entered, but then would insult them by speaking in Welsh in their presence....God (the white good one again) alone knows the horrors they would be saying about the English people.

In this day and age, I'm not sure your insistence that errors in translation would cover what you claim it does. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, or that very excuse hasn't been used. People reporting on speeches made in their own language can make mistakes, but languages can easily be translated these days so I'm not entirely sure excusing a hate speech in that manner would cut it.

Your understanding of taqiyya, just like many other claims you make is based on falsehoods. Maybe you should look at other sources for information instead of ones you read/look at on YouTube which support your world view? Talk about confirmation bias.

I would love to be wrong on this, but time will prove me right unfortunately, 20 years from now, possibly and probably sooner, if PC hasn't been kicked into touch where it belongs and we grow the balls to stand up to the threat, you and or your offspring will be given a choice, convert or die, its coming for us and gaining ground with every passing day.

Lord Lucan wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:

Lord Lucan wrote:
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I would love to be wrong on this, but time will prove me right unfortunately, 20 years from now, possibly and probably sooner, if PC hasn't been kicked into touch where it belongs and we grow the balls to stand up to the threat, you and or your offspring will be given a choice, convert or die, its coming for us and gaining ground with every passing day.

Lord Lucan wrote:

caldeyrfc wrote:Ah racist John, spreading love and happiness on rugby forums all over.......until he gets banned

Don't you have any cross dressing or BDSM websites to visit.

Mikey Brown wrote:I think she's a fucking moron and generally a disgusting person but I'm actually kind of surprised that's what has done for her.

What is the significance of that particular phrase? Did Hitler say it?

She did say it referring to terrorists rather than all muslims or brown people right?