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Sandydragon wrote: It’s odd how the virus is targeting those with underlying health issues but also occasionally seems to hit otherwise healthy people. Could it be undiagnosed health issues for some but with medical staff they are being exposed to greater quantities of the virus?

Donny osmond wrote:On the one hand, no one has dealt with any of this before and I very much doubt if infection rate would be vastly different if our govt had chosen different advice to follow.

On the other hand, we did watch this infection coming, via China, SE Asia and Italy and it was only when it got here that anyone started thinking about extra ventilators or PPE for hospital staff. My wife (consultant anaesthetist) knows 2 ENT surgeons in London who are currently on ecmo and fighting for their lives (youngish, healthy, no underlying conditions) due to treating covid patients without any PPE. That is unforgivable.

As a teacher/doctor household, we've seen first hand the absence of leadership at every level from the top down. Until last week, the only answers put in place have been thought up and implemented by front line staff, all these 6 figure salary, BMA qualified council leaders and politicians have been worse than useless, frozen in the headlights and utterly giving the lie to the idea that their inflated salaries, ludicrous expenses and gold plated pensions somehow reflect their skill set. When this is all over there needs to be something of a reckoning.

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Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:On the one hand, no one has dealt with any of this before and I very much doubt if infection rate would be vastly different if our govt had chosen different advice to follow.

On the other hand, we did watch this infection coming, via China, SE Asia and Italy and it was only when it got here that anyone started thinking about extra ventilators or PPE for hospital staff. My wife (consultant anaesthetist) knows 2 ENT surgeons in London who are currently on ecmo and fighting for their lives (youngish, healthy, no underlying conditions) due to treating covid patients without any PPE. That is unforgivable.

As a teacher/doctor household, we've seen first hand the absence of leadership at every level from the top down. Until last week, the only answers put in place have been thought up and implemented by front line staff, all these 6 figure salary, BMA qualified council leaders and politicians have been worse than useless, frozen in the headlights and utterly giving the lie to the idea that their inflated salaries, ludicrous expenses and gold plated pensions somehow reflect their skill set. When this is all over there needs to be something of a reckoning.

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Why did they treat without PPE- was there none available? We put grab bags in place as soon as the guidance came out over a month ago- we sent it to all our staff, and posters etc have been up in our clinics since then; we've changed with govt advice. System seems to have been slow, and people have been slow, to act on the advice and guidance given. Local NHS though have been hopeless with guidance to providers, and very slow; we've made the proposals for our little bit of the system. The bloated bureaucracy in hospitals and CCG's should have been eliminated years ago.
20/20 hindsight an all that.

Donny osmond wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:On the one hand, no one has dealt with any of this before and I very much doubt if infection rate would be vastly different if our govt had chosen different advice to follow.

On the other hand, we did watch this infection coming, via China, SE Asia and Italy and it was only when it got here that anyone started thinking about extra ventilators or PPE for hospital staff. My wife (consultant anaesthetist) knows 2 ENT surgeons in London who are currently on ecmo and fighting for their lives (youngish, healthy, no underlying conditions) due to treating covid patients without any PPE. That is unforgivable.

As a teacher/doctor household, we've seen first hand the absence of leadership at every level from the top down. Until last week, the only answers put in place have been thought up and implemented by front line staff, all these 6 figure salary, BMA qualified council leaders and politicians have been worse than useless, frozen in the headlights and utterly giving the lie to the idea that their inflated salaries, ludicrous expenses and gold plated pensions somehow reflect their skill set. When this is all over there needs to be something of a reckoning.

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Why did they treat without PPE- was there none available? We put grab bags in place as soon as the guidance came out over a month ago- we sent it to all our staff, and posters etc have been up in our clinics since then; we've changed with govt advice. System seems to have been slow, and people have been slow, to act on the advice and guidance given. Local NHS though have been hopeless with guidance to providers, and very slow; we've made the proposals for our little bit of the system. The bloated bureaucracy in hospitals and CCG's should have been eliminated years ago.
20/20 hindsight an all that.

Dunno, we're in Glasgow those guys are in London so I can't speak as to the situation they were in. We hear that the NHS in London is close to collapse, but again that's grapevine stuff. Here's what's happening in Glasgow (this is not my Mrs):



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Donny osmond wrote:Interesting map of cases in the UK...

Shetland is a hotspot as it's such a small community. One person came back from Italy in Feb and there are now 15 cases up there. Dunno how they're managing, be surprised if there's more than 1 ventilator on the island.

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Galfon wrote:and how come it's up to the locals to issue 'Wales is closed' notices in response to unreasonable herd behaviour..?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51994504

Digby wrote:These acts probably speaks in part as to why we've locked down in stages, the government needing the fear factor to ramp up to try and get a higher % of buy-in to their requests for people to show even a small amount of common sense. We saw this with foot and mouth when cows started moving up and down motorways by themselves ('cause the farmers said they weren't moving them) even when they were told to stay in their fields no matter what and that spread the disease far and wide.

I'm not surprised our behaviour is shockingly bad, so many of us are shockingly stupid

Stom wrote:Over here, pretty much all the young people are inside while all the old people are out and about.

Stom wrote:Over here, pretty much all the young people are inside while all the old people are out and about.

Digby wrote:.

I'm not surprised our behaviour is shockingly bad, so many of us are shockingly stupid

Mellsblue wrote:

Stom wrote:Over here, pretty much all the young people are inside while all the old people are out and about.

Had a wander to the rugby club early to throw a ball about with my boys......same here.

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Stom wrote:Over here, pretty much all the young people are inside while all the old people are out and about.

Had a wander to the rugby club early to throw a ball about with my boys......same here.

Went out with yesterday morning and the local butchers had a long queue running well outside the shop of people stood shoulder to shoulder, seemingly all old people

morepork wrote:

Stom wrote:Over here, pretty much all the young people are inside while all the old people are out and about.

Brilliant.