No, I disagree. It shows that it was systemic.Donny osmond wrote:Isn't that map more than a little "misleading"? It shows the geographical spread of police forces, who cover entire counties, who may be investigating 1 constituency that, geographically, makes up a tiny portion of that county. Its designed to make it look as if most of England is under investigation for election fraud, when the reality is hugely different.Zhivago wrote:On a slight tangent related to election fraud - here's a map of police forces investigating the Tories for election fraud. Somehow stays low down on the news.
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Of course it was designed to mislead, and see, it works.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
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No fucking way.morepork wrote:Julia Gillard has a cushy job selling charter schools for the Clinton Foundation which is also funded by the makers of F-35s.
What a cunt.[/quote]
Oh yeah, St Julia is an insider now.
As for the maths. There are mathematic 'theories' on both sides, they are not the same as mathematical facts. I asked for maths.
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Oh yeah, St Julia is an insider now.[/quote]UGagain wrote:No fucking way.morepork wrote:Julia Gillard has a cushy job selling charter schools for the Clinton Foundation which is also funded by the makers of F-35s.
What a cunt.
That cultured accent will see her go far. If she and John Key bred, the result could very likely be genetically unintelligible.
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They're in with the inbred crowd.morepork wrote:UGagain wrote:morepork wrote:Julia Gillard has a cushy job selling charter schools for the Clinton Foundation which is also funded by the makers of F-35s.
Oh yeah, St Julia is an insider now.No fucking way.
What a cunt.
That cultured accent will see her go far. If she and John Key bred, the result could very likely be genetically unintelligible.
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As for the maths. There are mathematic 'theories' on both sides, they are not the same as mathematical facts. I asked for maths.
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Bernie Sanders had between 20 and 30 thousand people show up at a rally on Memorial Day in Oakland and what did the MSM do (Oakland police said it was more like 60k including the overflow).
No media comment.
Yesterday, 10,000 showed up at another rally he gave on the campus of UC Davis and again, zippo from the press.
Exit polling has been cancelled and known to be hackable electronic voting machines are being used.
As for the maths. There are mathematic 'theories' on both sides, they are not the same as mathematical facts. I asked for maths.
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When the propaganda fails, fraud is the only way. And they call themselves democrats? FarcicalExit polling has been cancelled and known to be hackable electronic voting machines are being used.
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Puerto Rico’s Democratic Party is run by a rabid long-time Hillary supporter named Roberto Prats.
Back in April, Prats said that Hillary’s ascension to the throne was a “given” and that Bernie should drop out of the race.
The Sanders campaign has leveled some charges against the establishment Dems in Puerto Rico and Prats specifically. They say they have made it harder to register prisoners in Puerto Rico to vote today.
This is par for course. Voter suppression has been a big part of Hillary’s “wins” in New York and Arizona so far and it seems like the winning formula is being repeated in Puerto Rico and not just with prisoners.
Back in 2012 there were 2,300 polling places for the Democratic Party primary. In early May of this year, Prats and his “Hillary-backing” party promised they would have at least 1,500 for today.
Well, there are a total of 430 polling locations open today and they are only open from 8 am to 3 pm. Some 700,000 people are expected to try to vote at those few locations. Do the math. That’s 1628 voters per polling location for 7 hours at something close to 232 voters per hour. That isn’t going to happen.
Back in April, Prats said that Hillary’s ascension to the throne was a “given” and that Bernie should drop out of the race.
The Sanders campaign has leveled some charges against the establishment Dems in Puerto Rico and Prats specifically. They say they have made it harder to register prisoners in Puerto Rico to vote today.
This is par for course. Voter suppression has been a big part of Hillary’s “wins” in New York and Arizona so far and it seems like the winning formula is being repeated in Puerto Rico and not just with prisoners.
Back in 2012 there were 2,300 polling places for the Democratic Party primary. In early May of this year, Prats and his “Hillary-backing” party promised they would have at least 1,500 for today.
Well, there are a total of 430 polling locations open today and they are only open from 8 am to 3 pm. Some 700,000 people are expected to try to vote at those few locations. Do the math. That’s 1628 voters per polling location for 7 hours at something close to 232 voters per hour. That isn’t going to happen.
As for the maths. There are mathematic 'theories' on both sides, they are not the same as mathematical facts. I asked for maths.
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As for the maths. There are mathematic 'theories' on both sides, they are not the same as mathematical facts. I asked for maths.
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Media has started to call it for Clinton, even though she has only reached the delegate number through super delegates who don't actually vote till the conference. Even the DNC has clearly instructed not to do this, as super delegates can change their mind.
Calling it now is obviously another huge unfair leg up for Clinton in today's big elections across the country.
Calling it now is obviously another huge unfair leg up for Clinton in today's big elections across the country.
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They're trying to suppress the vote in California to get close enough to flip the result.jared_7 wrote:Media has started to call it for Clinton, even though she has only reached the delegate number through super delegates who don't actually vote till the conference. Even the DNC has clearly instructed not to do this, as super delegates can change their mind.
Calling it now is obviously another huge unfair leg up for Clinton in today's big elections across the country.
No exit polls to confirm that they did it.
As for the maths. There are mathematic 'theories' on both sides, they are not the same as mathematical facts. I asked for maths.
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The whole thing's a charade. We all know Clinton would win long before it even started. She'll be the next president and Trump is only there to make her appear the lesser of two evils. It's about as real as 'reality' TV. Democracy in America died a long time ago, and that's why the US itself has become the greatest enemy to democracy all around the world.
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
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Not too sure what to make of this. These guys actually did stop the Ohio vote being electronically flipped in 2008. So they are to be taken seriously.
The media is being utterly disgraceful.
The media is being utterly disgraceful.
As for the maths. There are mathematic 'theories' on both sides, they are not the same as mathematical facts. I asked for maths.
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As for the maths. There are mathematic 'theories' on both sides, they are not the same as mathematical facts. I asked for maths.
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So the FBI has pre-empted the Justice Department by declaring to all the world that Hillary Clinton has "no case to answer" regarding her mishandling of classified state emails. Of course, It is the Justice Department which is supposed to make the decision on whether to proceed with charges or not. The FBI is only meant to carry out the investigation. Meanwhile Chelsea Manning rots in a prison cell for divulging classified information, while Edward Snowden remains in exile in Russia.This guy has a good take on it:
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
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The FBI have used "intent" as an apparent defence, despite US Code Section 793 making no allowances at all for intent. If you're entrusted with top secret files and you negligently lose them or remove them from place, you are fined or go to jail.rowan wrote:So the FBI has pre-empted the Justice Department by declaring to all the world that Hillary Clinton has "no case to answer" regarding her mishandling of classified state emails. Of course, It is the Justice Department which is supposed to make the decision on whether to proceed with charges or not. The FBI is only meant to carry out the investigation. Meanwhile Chelsea Manning rots in a prison cell for divulging classified information, while Edward Snowden remains in exile in Russia.This guy has a good take on it:
This has a good summation:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-0 ... ry-clinton
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Is there a statute of limitations? If so, I wonder if Trumpy got in, if his appointed minions could send her to the clink.
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
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The FBI found 110 classified emails on Clinton’s personal server; eight of them classified at the highest level. That's a clear felony. But Clinton claimed she never sent or received any classified emails - which means she lied. She also deleted 30,000 emails, claiming they were personal, though it is well-known that during her time as Secretary of State she was conducting personal business with her donors. Of course, this is nothing in comparison to her support for regime changes in Libya, Ukraine and the Honduras. The FBI described her mishandling of classified information as “extremely careless” and “reckless” but (inexplicably) advised against impeachment.
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Hillary's poll numbers diving.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
If Trump is the price we have to pay to defeat Clintonian neoliberalism – so be it.
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If Trump is the price we have to pay to defeat Clintonian neoliberalism – so be it.
— Mumia Abu-Jamal
As for the maths. There are mathematic 'theories' on both sides, they are not the same as mathematical facts. I asked for maths.
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So wikileaks has dumped a bunch of DNC emails and they show, among other things:
- The DNC's communications director colluded with media outlets to paint Sanders' campaign in a negative light
- The DNC and the Clinton campaign worked together to not only syphon funds to her through the Victory fund, but when news broke on where the money was actually going, they worked together in damage control
- Journalists for Politico agreed to let the DNC edit their stories on Sanders
This is some serious stuff. An barely a ripple on most US media outlets, unsurprisingly.
- The DNC's communications director colluded with media outlets to paint Sanders' campaign in a negative light
- The DNC and the Clinton campaign worked together to not only syphon funds to her through the Victory fund, but when news broke on where the money was actually going, they worked together in damage control
- Journalists for Politico agreed to let the DNC edit their stories on Sanders
This is some serious stuff. An barely a ripple on most US media outlets, unsurprisingly.
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jared_7 wrote:So wikileaks has dumped a bunch of DNC emails and they show, among other things:
- The DNC's communications director colluded with media outlets to paint Sanders' campaign in a negative light
- The DNC and the Clinton campaign worked together to not only syphon funds to her through the Victory fund, but when news broke on where the money was actually going, they worked together in damage control
- Journalists for Politico agreed to let the DNC edit their stories on Sanders
This is some serious stuff. An barely a ripple on most US media outlets, unsurprisingly.
Indeed.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/dnc-emai ... eneration/
As for the maths. There are mathematic 'theories' on both sides, they are not the same as mathematical facts. I asked for maths.
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Hillary Clinton: A Threat to All Humanity.
As for the maths. There are mathematic 'theories' on both sides, they are not the same as mathematical facts. I asked for maths.
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Washerman-Schultz has been appointed Campaign Manager for Clinton's 50 States Program.
You couldn't make this stuff up.
You couldn't make this stuff up.
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https://geopoliticalfutures.com/not-muc ... -election/
The United States now knows who the candidates of the two major political parties are. One of these two will most likely become president of the United States in January. As usual, each candidate and their partisans are predicting total catastrophe if the other wins. There are also claims that there has never been an election like this in history. As is normally the case, the candidate of the party out of power is claiming that the United States has reached a catastrophic point because of the current government. The other candidate is saying that the country is not collapsing but that it will collapse if the opposition’s candidate is elected.
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The point I am making is that the impression that there has never been an election like this one is common in every election cycle. And charges that one of the candidates is a criminal and the other is psychotic have been standard fare in American elections. My standard is whether electing either candidate will cause a civil war. Short of that, it is safe to conclude that the republic will survive either of them and the one elected, whoever it is, might surprise us.
The question is not why Americans regard this particular election as apocalyptic. The question is why Americans routinely regard presidential elections as apocalyptic, without realizing they are simply acting out an old script.