Justice - US style

[morepork]

aaaaand in the middle of tensions in NC, an elected official goes on TV and says "black people hate white people because white people are successful and they are not".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37453672


Brilliant work there congressman. You really are in touch.

[OptimisticJock]

At the risk of derailing the thread (again) but I can't be arsed starting a new thread.

http://www.ktnv.com/news/armed-citizen- ... nial-hills

[Coco]

Exactly. Of course it does, but it doesnt fit the narrative of recent times. Plenty of white nutjobs, crackheads, anti-govt, and innocents alike getting shot for failure to comply or whatever. Hispanics too. You just rarely see it being made a lesson or question of excessive force.

That said, I wonder if this would've ended differently if Black Lives Matter were armed and occupying a federal building for weeks?

Can speculate a hundred different ways. Doesnt sound like they were looting or smashing businesses and causing unrest. Did not read the whole thing though as i am on my phone and service is sketchy where I am working today.. Look at David Koresh and that bizarre thing he had going in Waco, TX. That didnt end well.

[Coco]

Armed police and lax gun laws are increasingly beginning to look like an extention of white America's oppression of African Americans. Sure, the latter are able to obtain guns themselves, but if they use them against a white American or especially against an officer of the law there are serious consequences. The reverse does not appear to apply, however.

Of course it does.

One example of an armed white man surviving a confrontation with the police doesn't prove a rule. I'm pretty sure many white people who have taken up arms against other people of the same race and/or cops have found that it didn't end too well for themselves.

There is clearly some very serious issues with US policing of African-Americans though.

There are more whites killed by the police than blacks. Their cops are just shite.

There are definitely more whites killed by cops, not sure how many of those cops get charged either. It isnt abiut race.. It is the profession.

[Coco]

aaaaand in the middle of tensions in NC, an elected official goes on TV and says "black people hate white people because white people are successful and they are not".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37453672


Brilliant work there congressman. You really are in touch.

This is why I am against so much political correctness... It exposes the morons for who they are.

[kk67]

Playing the 'politics of envy' card is the new Godwins Law.

[kk67]

George Elliot.

[rowan]

Yep, got this right. The poor woman 'feared for her life.' She also had a history of drug use...

Cop Who Shot Terence Crutcher Has History Of Drug Use

A federal investigation is looking into the police shooting of Terence Crutcher in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which has also prompted a deeper probe into the history and past conduct of the cop involved in his death.

Officer Betty Shelby, a white woman, fatally shot 40-year-old Crutcher, a black man, on Friday after she came upon his vehicle, which was stalled in the middle of the road, while responding to an unrelated call. Crutcher was later Tasered by another officer just seconds before Shelby fired her weapon. Crutcher’s family is seeking criminal charges against his killer. But Shelby’s lawyer said she fired her weapon because she feared for her life, despite the fact that Crutcher was unarmed and had his hands raised mere moments before he was shot, as seen in video footage.

The shooting, which is one of the latest in a string of police killings of black men and women, has gained nationwide attention. That has put Shelby’s work history under heavy scrutiny. More information released this week on her professional background and personal life, some disclosed by her attorney Scott Wood, could help to paint a more complete picture of her. Information of this sort is routinely presented by law enforcement and repeated by the media, often with the effect of unfairly characterizing suspects as “thugs” predisposed to commit crimes. Shelby’s background is reported here to highlight this double standard in how we talk about the character of cops in contrast to civilian suspects of color.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/off ... 73b82fd9ae

[Sandydragon]

Of course it does.

One example of an armed white man surviving a confrontation with the police doesn't prove a rule. I'm pretty sure many white people who have taken up arms against other people of the same race and/or cops have found that it didn't end too well for themselves.

There is clearly some very serious issues with US policing of African-Americans though.

There are more whites killed by the police than blacks. Their cops are just shite.

There are definitely more whites killed by cops, not sure how many of those cops get charged either. It isnt abiut race.. It is the profession.

There is a serious lack of accountability. Too much gun worship and too easy to justify the use of force by the police officer by the rule they currently use, which only require the officer to seemly state they thought they might be in danger to use deadly force.

[Sandydragon]

At the risk of derailing the thread (again) but I can't be arsed starting a new thread.

http://www.ktnv.com/news/armed-citizen- ... nial-hills

puts a new perspective on neighbourhood watch.

[kk67]

The problem has always been where we recruit service personnel, what we recruit them for and what we train them to perform.
The recent SAS documentary on C4 fulfilled many of my expectations....(that Glasgie baldy fella who loved it). But it also surprised me
They were genuinely attempting to come to terms with what they'd done in a fairly therapeutic fashion. (of the ones that were interviewed).

I was actually impressed by all of them. There was a lot more self recognition than I'd expected. But they were still all victims of indoctrination nonetheless. And mostly they were psychologically fighting that indoctrination.

The English forced the Oirish, Welsh and Indians to fight in their armed forces just to steal natural assets. That's historical fact.

[OptimisticJock]

I didn't know you were a recruiter kk.

[kk67]

I didn't know you were a recruiter kk.

I'm the one playing Trombone in the military bands at the 6ns.
Not really,....but my trombone tutor was military band leader. He had some cracking stories.....and was a big Cloughie fan.
Harry White,....top bloke.

[morepork]

At the risk of derailing the thread (again) but I can't be arsed starting a new thread.

http://www.ktnv.com/news/armed-citizen- ... nial-hills

Jesus Christ.

[OptimisticJock]

I didn't know you were a recruiter kk.

I'm the one playing Trombone in the military bands at the 6ns.
Not really,....but my trombone tutor was military band leader. He had some cracking stories.....and was a big Cloughie fan.
Harry White,....top bloke.

I know

[kk67]

I didn't know you were a recruiter kk.

I'm the one playing Trombone in the military bands at the 6ns.
Not really,....but my trombone tutor was military band leader. He had some cracking stories.....and was a big Cloughie fan.
Harry White,....top bloke.

I know

Not all pacifists hate the military.
It's a complicated family relationship.

[rowan]

More recent stats here. Quite shocking really:

1. A study by a University of California, Davis professor found “evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being black, unarmed, and shot by police is about 3.49 times the probability of being white, unarmed, and shot by police on average.” Additionally, the analysis found that “there is no relationship between county-level racial bias in police shootings and crime rates (even race-specific crime rates), meaning that the racial bias observed in police shootings in this data set is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/ ... acial-bias

[Coco]

More recent stats here. Quite shocking really:

1. A study by a University of California, Davis professor found “evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being black, unarmed, and shot by police is about 3.49 times the probability of being white, unarmed, and shot by police on average.” Additionally, the analysis found that “there is no relationship between county-level racial bias in police shootings and crime rates (even race-specific crime rates), meaning that the racial bias observed in police shootings in this data set is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/ ... acial-bias

Haha.. UC Davis and Vanity Fair... Must be accurate then.

[morepork]

More recent stats here. Quite shocking really:

1. A study by a University of California, Davis professor found “evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being black, unarmed, and shot by police is about 3.49 times the probability of being white, unarmed, and shot by police on average.” Additionally, the analysis found that “there is no relationship between county-level racial bias in police shootings and crime rates (even race-specific crime rates), meaning that the racial bias observed in police shootings in this data set is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/ ... acial-bias

Haha.. UC Davis and Vanity Fair... Must be accurate then.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26540108

or

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24228655


All this is not really news to anyone that experiences it, but sometimes things need to be quantified and officiated before in order for people to stop ignoring it.

[Coco]

Http://nyti.ms/29Bhm3m

Not sure if I posted this properly.

Can spin it several different ways, unfortunately.

The truth lies somewhere in-between it would seem.

[morepork]

Again, it really reaffirms inherent race-based bias.

[Sandydragon]

Again, it really reaffirms inherent race-based bias.

But race bias that also affects Black American Police Officers it would seem. Its clear that Black americans are more likely to be shot, so the question must be why. Accusing the police of racism doesn't deal with the fact that shootings of latinos or other ethnic groups aren't at the same level as those for blacks, or when black officers shoot black civilians.

What is the reason for the race based discrepancy? There must be one beyind the easily trumpted 'Pigs hate blacks' which doesn't account for ethnic minority officers doing the same as their white counterparts.

[rowan]

Again, it really reaffirms inherent race-based bias.

America is very brainwashed and very conformist. This is a result of media saturation, particularly TV media. The average American watches more than 20 hours' TV a week - about the same amount of time as elementary school kids spend in the classroom. However, TV 'education' is a life-long process. And we all know what kinds of stereotypes American TV has created. Right from the start, the central characters, the heroes, the good guys, the nice guys, have invariably been white, while the fringe characters, the bad guys, the violent guys, the drug dealers, etc, have more often than not been black. & so-called reality TV has been terrible for African-Americans. I used to watch COPs when I was over there and it was mostly a show about white cops, chasing, arresting and sometimes actually killing young black men. They'd even show you slow-motion replays of the young men getting shot, all the while praising the "heroic" actions of the policemen doing the shooting. It amounted to dehumanization of African Americans, and that was pretty shocking to me, even though I am myself from a country in which TV media was to the forefront of a cultural genocide.

[Sandydragon]

Many modern TV shows tend to reduce that stereotype. But plenty of other democracies around the world have police who are routinely armed (I'm not comparing the US to a country where extra-judicial murder is permitted) so why aren't there the same number of shootings. Put the race of the shot person to one side, why are firearms so prevalent?

If not policemen shooting a black man, then the news is multiple shootings by a deranged lunatic (or terrorist), which masks the dozens of murders daily by firearm. Other countries have legalised gun ownership, including handguns (perhaps not as liberal on assault rifles) but less of a problem. What is it about the American psyche that places such an aura around firearms? I don't think you can treat the issue of American police using lethal force until you understand that.

[rowan]

That's also been an aspect of TV (& film) brainwashing - gratuitous, glorified violence. Neither has it been by accident. If you're going to make a habit of bombing other countries and reducing them to rubble, then first you need to desensitize your own populace.