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Sandydragon wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:Has a load of stuff been deleted from this thread or something?

No.

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C'mon MB get with the program

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Mikey Brown wrote:Has a load of stuff been deleted from this thread or something?

It’s the usual…

Digby has been his usual obtuse self, posting things he probably should think twice about, which has led cas to wade in and abuse anyone he can find for being “white suprematist”, and accusing Sandy of being some kind of patsy for an oppressive regime.

I’ve got an idea? Let’s be adults who can talk normally about things without resorting to screaming and throwing our toys out of the pram.

Stom wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Stom wrote:
It’s the usual…

Digby has been his usual obtuse self, posting things he probably should think twice about, which has led cas to wade in and abuse anyone he can find for being “white suprematist”, and accusing Sandy of being some kind of patsy for an oppressive regime.

I’ve got an idea? Let’s be adults who can talk normally about things without resorting to screaming and throwing our toys out of the pram.

He may have been obtuse but only insofar as he let the mask slip a bit too far. Then presumably went crying to the mods when he was confronted about his idiotic and racistic utterings.

Yeah...he's not the kind of person who goes to complain to mods...

More likely someone was offended by the offensive language used by Cas. If you want to get real change, use language that engages people, talk nicely, explain your point of view, and don't label everyone racist for admitting they are being racist and that doesn't look good on them...

Take a leaf out of Puja's book. There's a reason he's a mod, and it's not because he's some horrible person.

First fly in the fly trap

stom by name stom by nature

Enough.

Accusing another poster of racism, or any other offence against the board's rules, must be done via the complaints button. If you don't like the outcome, take the matter up with an administrator.

Continued 'judgement' in this forum will not be tolerated. I refer you all to the board's rules on bullying and harassment. I am deleting the posts where accusations have been made.

Mikey Brown wrote:Has a load of stuff been deleted from this thread or something?

Damn it Mikey, did you have to go put that idea in his head?

Sandydragon wrote:Enough.

Accusing another poster of racism, or any other offence against the board's rules, must be done via the complaints button. If you don't like the outcome, take the matter up with an administrator.

Continued 'judgement' in this forum will not be tolerated. I refer you all to the board's rules on bullying and harassment. I am deleting the posts where accusations have been made.

Can you clarify what we're allowed to do here? If someone says something that I think is racist, what am I prohibited from saying? I'd prefer to engage than to have someone banned (or not, as the case may be) by some opaque process.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Enough.

Accusing another poster of racism, or any other offence against the board's rules, must be done via the complaints button. If you don't like the outcome, take the matter up with an administrator.

Continued 'judgement' in this forum will not be tolerated. I refer you all to the board's rules on bullying and harassment. I am deleting the posts where accusations have been made.

Can you clarify what we're allowed to do here? If someone says something that I think is racist, what am I prohibited from saying? I'd prefer to engage than to have someone banned (or not, as the case may be) by some opaque process.

The red line is naming another poster and claiming they are racist. There is a process to report posts for review which must be followed, and an escalation process if you don't like the outcome.

I know we have had this discussion before, but I still regard that as a strange line to draw, especially given the fact that we allow other offensive things so as 'not to shut down conversations'. If it is ex nihilo, then I can see it as just being a straightforward insult, but if someone says something racist, it feels odd that we can't just call a spade a spade (to coin a phrase).

Puja

Puja wrote:I know we have had this discussion before, but I still regard that as a strange line to draw, especially given the fact that we allow other offensive things so as 'not to shut down conversations'. If it is ex nihilo, then I can see it as just being a straightforward insult, but if someone says something racist, it feels odd that we can't just call a spade a spade (to coin a phrase).

Puja

I think we're supposed to say "... call a shovel a shovel" these days, otherwise someone might not so much just "call" you racist, but might jump up and down squealing about it for a tedious number of posts, in turn putting people off posting in here for fear of displaying Wrong Think


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Puja wrote:I know we have had this discussion before, but I still regard that as a strange line to draw, especially given the fact that we allow other offensive things so as 'not to shut down conversations'. If it is ex nihilo, then I can see it as just being a straightforward insult, but if someone says something racist, it feels odd that we can't just call a spade a spade (to coin a phrase).

Puja

The red line is there because these can often turn into public hounding. If you feel someone has broken board rules then complain and it will be discussed by the moderators. I'm not on board with virtual vigilante justice where someone is hounded (other words can be bullied or harassed) because someone has a bee in their bonnet. Its not pleasant.

If a remark is racist then then offending poster will be banned. If the moderators feel that the remark isnt racist then they will deal with it in other ways.

Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Enough.

Accusing another poster of racism, or any other offence against the board's rules, must be done via the complaints button. If you don't like the outcome, take the matter up with an administrator.

Continued 'judgement' in this forum will not be tolerated. I refer you all to the board's rules on bullying and harassment. I am deleting the posts where accusations have been made.

Can you clarify what we're allowed to do here? If someone says something that I think is racist, what am I prohibited from saying? I'd prefer to engage than to have someone banned (or not, as the case may be) by some opaque process.

The red line is naming another poster and claiming they are racist. There is a process to report posts for review which must be followed, and an escalation process if you don't like the outcome.

If we're talking about due process, then I think it would benefit the process a lot if when you delete someone's post (e.g. mine in this thread) you at least inform them what it was that they said that you deemed to be crossing a line. Rather than just vanishing posts like a dictator vanishes people he doesn't like.

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: Can you clarify what we're allowed to do here? If someone says something that I think is racist, what am I prohibited from saying? I'd prefer to engage than to have someone banned (or not, as the case may be) by some opaque process.

The red line is naming another poster and claiming they are racist. There is a process to report posts for review which must be followed, and an escalation process if you don't like the outcome.

If we're talking about due process, then I think it would benefit the process a lot if when you delete someone's post (e.g. mine in this thread) you at least inform them what it was that they said that you deemed to be crossing a line. Rather than just vanishing posts like a dictator vanishes people he doesn't like.

Yours had quoted a post where an individual was named.

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: The red line is naming another poster and claiming they are racist. There is a process to report posts for review which must be followed, and an escalation process if you don't like the outcome.

If we're talking about due process, then I think it would benefit the process a lot if when you delete someone's post (e.g. mine in this thread) you at least inform them what it was that they said that you deemed to be crossing a line. Rather than just vanishing posts like a dictator vanishes people he doesn't like.

Yours had quoted a post where an individual was named.

In this case it should be edited rather than deleted.

Oh god I somehow just clicked on a youtube video of Kyle Rittenhouse being interviewed on some chat show like he's fucking Justin Bieber. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I started scrolling the comments and I'm just lost for words. I knew he'd gotten away with it but I couldn't face reading any details. I'm sure none of you want to read this, but this is just blowing my fucking mind, assuming any of these comments are from real humans.

lansing street blues
13 hours ago
this old woman cried like a baby when Kyle was acquitted; I have a grandson his age and was praying for Kyle and his fam throughout the ordeal. It was a pleasure to see him smile and laugh. Thank you.
PS. My faith was restored in my fellow WI jurors.

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4 Door Smore Whores
4 Door Smore Whores
18 hours ago (edited)
Kyle is hilarious.
He should start a coffee company, Rittenhouse Espresso shots would sell so well.

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Mirelle in Israel
Mirelle in Israel
10 hours ago
Yessss get Kyle on Crowder!! Great episode guys, this is the most I’ve laughed in two years - for real. Thank you!

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Dude McRadGuy
Dude McRadGuy
16 hours ago
This is so surreal seeing him not in a suit in such a relaxed atmosphere

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Rita Reitsma
Rita Reitsma
12 minutes ago
No one deserves a victory lap more than Kyle.

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perception ascending
perception ascending
3 hours ago
I'm so happy this man is is recovering so well, I was concerned he had bad PTSD but if he's ok doing interviews that's awesome!!

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Nicholas Herfst
Nicholas Herfst
15 hours ago
Hey Kyle, I'm surprised, you're a lot cooler and funnier than I expected. I think you have a career in this.

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: Can you clarify what we're allowed to do here? If someone says something that I think is racist, what am I prohibited from saying? I'd prefer to engage than to have someone banned (or not, as the case may be) by some opaque process.

The red line is naming another poster and claiming they are racist. There is a process to report posts for review which must be followed, and an escalation process if you don't like the outcome.

If we're talking about due process, then I think it would benefit the process a lot if when you delete someone's post (e.g. mine in this thread) you at least inform them what it was that they said that you deemed to be crossing a line. Rather than just vanishing posts like a dictator vanishes people he doesn't like.

As similes go, this is rather fantastic

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Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Enough.

Accusing another poster of racism, or any other offence against the board's rules, must be done via the complaints button. If you don't like the outcome, take the matter up with an administrator.

Continued 'judgement' in this forum will not be tolerated. I refer you all to the board's rules on bullying and harassment. I am deleting the posts where accusations have been made.

Can you clarify what we're allowed to do here? If someone says something that I think is racist, what am I prohibited from saying? I'd prefer to engage than to have someone banned (or not, as the case may be) by some opaque process.

The red line is naming another poster and claiming they are racist. There is a process to report posts for review which must be followed, and an escalation process if you don't like the outcome.

Okay, so I assume we can say that a post seems racist, or that an opinion seems racist? Otherwise how can such things be discussed?

I agree that no one should be hounding anyone but I think some more transparency would be better here: explanations for locking threads, deletions. And ideally posts could be amended rather than deleted entirely.

Cas, I think everyone gets your point by now.

Puja

cashead wrote:

Puja wrote:Cas, I think everyone gets your point by now.

Puja

Are you sure? Because according to Sandy, they're perfectly acceptable posts that no moderator could possibly find fault with.

I will take a moment to note that I am not the mod for this board or, in fact, in charge of anything aside from the EMB (and North America and General Rugby, but no-one goes in those). So this is not an official pronouncement or Word of Mod or anything.

I get your point. I agree with your point in a lot of respects. Your point is very solidly and stridently made. Please cut it out now, as further grinding of it into the dirt will accomplish nothing except annoying all of the people who agree with you.

Puja

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/10/us/missi ... index.html

Two white dudes open fire on a black fed ex driver delivering packages and get a week to turn themselves in.

J Dory wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/10/us/missi ... index.html

Two white dudes open fire on a black fed ex driver delivering packages and get a week to turn themselves in.

Fucking hell America. That report is just a cavalcade of the things wrong with the country. Let's skip the top-level obvious stuff of "I saw a black guy and so shot at him cause I was defending my home", the police that wanted to play devil's advocate and ask "Did you do anything to make them think you were suspicious" and who gave the wannabe lynchers the option to come in as and when was convenient for them, and the charges for shooting at someone fleeing being "assault" rather than attempted murder, and let's look at the employer.

Fed-Ex made him a) rent his own van to deliver the parcels in the first place, b) when he reported being shot at said not to go to the police and that they would file a police report in the morning (presumably with the implication that he still had a shift to finish), c) SENT HIM BACK TO DELIVERING IN THE SAME ROUTE WHERE HE JUST GOT CHASED OUT BY RACISTS WITH GUNS, and d) are not paying him now that he's understandably collapsed in a heap of mental health issues.

What the actual fuck.

Puja

Wait, I thought everything was fine now because Biden?

Puja wrote:

J Dory wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/10/us/missi ... index.html

Two white dudes open fire on a black fed ex driver delivering packages and get a week to turn themselves in.

Fucking hell America. That report is just a cavalcade of the things wrong with the country. Let's skip the top-level obvious stuff of "I saw a black guy and so shot at him cause I was defending my home", the police that wanted to play devil's advocate and ask "Did you do anything to make them think you were suspicious" and who gave the wannabe lynchers the option to come in as and when was convenient for them, and the charges for shooting at someone fleeing being "assault" rather than attempted murder, and let's look at the employer.

Fed-Ex made him a) rent his own van to deliver the parcels in the first place, b) when he reported being shot at said not to go to the police and that they would file a police report in the morning (presumably with the implication that he still had a shift to finish), c) SENT HIM BACK TO DELIVERING IN THE SAME ROUTE WHERE HE JUST GOT CHASED OUT BY RACISTS WITH GUNS, and d) are not paying him now that he's understandably collapsed in a heap of mental health issues.

What the actual fuck.

Puja

Indeed a basket case

"Just a few bad apples".

Fuck the South.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... ve-updates

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