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This is from the FT (https://www.ft.com/content/40fc8904-feb ... 3e48bbc034):

In the official data, from the week ending March 20 to May 1, there have been 46,566 excess deaths in England and Wales, 3,710 in Scotland and 703 in Northern Ireland.


Ok, London has an outrageous figure but can that by itself explain the difference seen above? Maybe it can and I just can’t wrap my head around it, which wouldn’t be a first.

As Banquo says, within Scotland Glasgow has a much higher figure than the rest of the country, obvs pop density and all these other factors play a roll... it just seems weird that a country with as many well publicised health issues (I.e. comorbidities) as Scotland is apparently doing “better” (apologies for using that term) than England


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Donny osmond wrote:This is from the FT (https://www.ft.com/content/40fc8904-feb ... 3e48bbc034):

In the official data, from the week ending March 20 to May 1, there have been 46,566 excess deaths in England and Wales, 3,710 in Scotland and 703 in Northern Ireland.


Ok, London has an outrageous figure but can that by itself explain the difference seen above? Maybe it can and I just can’t wrap my head around it, which wouldn’t be a first.

As Banquo says, within Scotland Glasgow has a much higher figure than the rest of the country, obvs pop density and all these other factors play a roll... it just seems weird that a country with as many well publicised health issues (I.e. comorbidities) as Scotland is apparently doing “better” (apologies for using that term) than England


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England & Wales pop: 59mil with 47k
Scotland pop: 5.5mil with 4k

I haven’t done the maths but it doesn’t look that much different to me.

Add in the fact that London’s pop is nearly double that of Scotland and that London, particularly, and numerous English hotspots are a few weeks ahead of Scotland.

It’s really not that much use looking at death tolls, even ones that should be comparable, and saying x did better than y.

As you were chaps, I’ve made a booboo... by using an actual calculator I have deduced that Scotland’s population is just under 10% of England, and our death rate is about 8% of England’s which small of a difference could easily be explained by, as MB succinctly put it, London. Plus 1 or 2 other variables like hospital size etc.

Typed while MB was exploding my overnight theory!!

That’s if the FT figures are correct. As an master internet debater i am now going to find some more hysterical death figures for England that justify what I said all along.

Donny osmond wrote:That’s if the FT figures are correct. As an master internet debater i am now going to find some more hysterical death figures for England that justify what I said all along.

That's more like it! Dunkirk spirit.

Donny osmond wrote:That’s if the FT figures are correct. As a master internet debater i am now going to find some more hysterical death figures for England that justify what I said all along.

Good lad. Deflect from Scottish problems by blaming Westminster. May be the SNP education reforms have ‘worked’ after all.

Donny osmond wrote:That’s if the FT figures are correct. As an internet masturbator i am now going to find some more hysterical death figures for England that justify what I said all along.

Fixed that for you.

Donny osmond wrote:All fair enough internationally, but I can't see them explaining the intra-UK differences.

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I suspect the answer to that is the international travel hub bit. People go in and out of London all the time and that would have spread to other parts of England much more than the other UK states. Plus population density is much higher in southern England than anywhere else in the UK.

Puja

You should really compare Scotland to here, where there have officially been less than 500 deaths. I imagine the real number is higher but it’s still not much.

Partly that’s because of a quick lockdown and partly that’s because of a low pop density and low international travel compared to the UK

Lizard wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Lizard wrote:3 consecutive days of 0 new cases here. 65 active cases. And most importantly, SCHOOL IS OPEN ON MONDAY!

Well done, you have competent leaders. Could we borrow some?

Jinxed it. 1 new case here today.

I find it interesting that the reaction from US and UK folk has been "Can we have your sensible leader?" rather than "Can we elect our own sensible person as leader." I mean I know it's tongue in cheek but it's a bit telling about distrust in the systems, isn't it?

Absolutely. In the UK we have a minority of votes delivering a majority of seats. And the US - the presidency going to the candidate with less votes - that's the opposite of democracy.

Also - in the UK - the next election is so far away that the concept of electing our own sensible leader for this crisis is about as realistic as borrowing yours.

Sandydragon wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:That’s if the FT figures are correct. As an internet masturbator i am now going to find some more hysterical death figures for England that justify what I said all along.

Fixed that for you.

It helps me sleep

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Donny osmond wrote:As you were chaps, I’ve made a booboo... by using an actual calculator I have deduced that Scotland’s population is just under 10% of England, and our death rate is about 8% of England’s which small of a difference could easily be explained by, as MB succinctly put it, London. Plus 1 or 2 other variables like hospital size etc.

Typed while MB was exploding my overnight theory!!

Nicked from Wikipedia:

Name Population (2018) Percent of UK (2018)
England 55,977,178 84.26%
Scotland 5,438,100 8.19%
Wales 3,138,631 4.72%
N Ireland 1,881,641 2.83%
UK 66,435,550 100.00%

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:As you were chaps, I’ve made a booboo... by using an actual calculator I have deduced that Scotland’s population is just under 10% of England, and our death rate is about 8% of England’s which small of a difference could easily be explained by, as MB succinctly put it, London. Plus 1 or 2 other variables like hospital size etc.

Typed while MB was exploding my overnight theory!!

Nicked from Wikipedia:

Name Population (2018) Percent of UK (2018)
England 55,977,178 84.26%
Scotland 5,438,100 8.19%
Wales 3,138,631 4.72%
N Ireland 1,881,641 2.83%
UK 66,435,550 100.00%

I realised after I was using figures for England and Wales, not just England.

It's a litany of incompetence and ignorance. I shall be applying to the cabinet forthwith.

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R rate up. Clampdown now?

More seriously, saying the infection rate in London is low publicly strikes me as dumb.

Great news. I was at a loss to know what to do tomorrow. Now there’s a picnic in the park organised by the UK Freedom Movement. Sounds fun:

Tommy Robinson freedom bouncy castle,
Anti vac whack a mole,
Shoot the 5G mast air rifle stand and
Fuck Off MSM cake bake competition, don’t forget your tin foil.

Can’t these fuckers just stay under a nice Little Rock and allow the rest of us to enjoy a quiet day in the park?

Mellsblue wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:The death rate in England is just massively weird. Even allowing for all the mistakes, there must be some unspecified reason why it's so high.

It's even way higher than Scotland, Wales or NI afaik, and there's no earthly reason I can find that's been discussed that explains that.

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London.

London population density = 5,666/km2
Seoul population density = 16,000/km2

Official UK death toll = 33,998
Official ROK death toll = 260

Seoul may receive around half the visitors that London does, but that doesn't account for the massive disparity in the official death tolls, and has more to do with the quickly and aggressively taking decisive action in clamping down on the illness, and despite one dumbass megaspreader and another who ended up inadvertently shutting down the nightlife, they've managed to contain the disease effectively.

How does that compare to the pox party policy of the Tories?

cashead wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:The death rate in England is just massively weird. Even allowing for all the mistakes, there must be some unspecified reason why it's so high.

It's even way higher than Scotland, Wales or NI afaik, and there's no earthly reason I can find that's been discussed that explains that.

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London.

London population density = 5,666/km2
Seoul population density = 16,000/km2

Official UK death toll = 33,998
Official ROK death toll = 260

Seoul may receive around half the visitors that London does, but that doesn't account for the massive disparity in the official death tolls, and has more to do with the quickly and aggressively taking decisive action in clamping down on the illness, and despite one dumbass megaspreader and another who ended up inadvertently shutting down the nightlife, they've managed to contain the disease effectively.

How does that compare to the pox party policy of the Tories?

We were comparing Eng&Wales v Scot. Not Eng&Wales v SK. Nobody on here has said that the U.K. has done better than SK. I know you’re late to this RR ‘party’ but take your schadenfreude, false equivalences and party politics bs elsewhere.

Mellsblue wrote: We were comparing Eng&Wales v Scot. Not Eng&Wales v SK. Nobody on here has said that the U.K. has done better than SK. I know you’re late to this RR ‘party’ but take your schadenfreude, false equivalences and party politics bs elsewhere.

Who the fuck are you to tell others how to post? And real curious to know where anyone has said otherwise.

Mods, please rename forum "Board index < Non Rugby Forums < Politics and stuff, but only with Mellsblue approval"

It's only appropriate, in honour of the newly self-appointed forums sheriff.

That was a quick meltdown. Couldn’t find a relevant Simpson’s gif?

So hey, Mellsblue, is there some sort of application form that needs to be filled in before we're allowed to post on here?

Is there a link to, say, a Googledocs? Or is it a form we need to print out and send in the mail?

Mellsblue wrote:That was a quick meltdown. Couldn’t find a relevant Simpson’s gif?

lol, says the person who got all butthurt because somebody dared shit talk a terrible policy by the Tories.

I suppose it's easier to try to claim some sort of moral high ground when you get your gatekeeping bullshit mocked.