Cricket fred

[Stom]

Well played inzid.

Silverwood has some familiar problems to solve.

You don't say.

Embarrassing, really.

Poor bowling, terrible batting.

[fivepointer]

Thats a hammering.
After a goodish 1st day the team have folded badly.
We have a recurring, long running problem with applying ourselves consistently, both with bat and ball.

[Galfon]

Steady enough start but Latham and the rain appear to have stymied Eng chances...
meanwhile this fella (Rahkeem Cornwall, 22st. heaviest Test player) had a good run out for Windies vs Afg., with 10 wkts & 3 catches..

[Digby]

I remain unconvinced that picking a side without a spinner is a good or even acceptable idea

[Banquo]

I remain unconvinced that picking a side without a spinner is a good or even acceptable idea

as was sending Bairstow to SA, leaving us with an at best part time keeper once Buttler is injured.

Root's captaincy has to be questioned, once more. Test debutant comes to the crease, and he introduces.....Joe Denly- I know he was saving seamers for the new ball, but those overs gave Mitchell time to settle and gave NZ some momentum when they'd lost two wickets quickly; Archer imo is not being managed well either.

[Digby]

I remain unconvinced that picking a side without a spinner is a good or even acceptable idea

as was sending Bairstow to SA, leaving us with an at best part time keeper once Buttler is injured.

Root's captaincy has to be questioned, once more. Test debutant comes to the crease, and he introduces.....Joe Denly- I know he was saving seamers for the new ball, but those overs gave Mitchell time to settle and gave NZ some momentum when they'd lost two wickets quickly; Archer imo is not being managed well either.

Worse news about Leach going to hospital, if that bug spreads through the side we're not going to have any seamers.

And Root doesn't impress as a captain, even before one considers he was a ver good batsman before taking on the much bigger role

[Stom]

I remain unconvinced that picking a side without a spinner is a good or even acceptable idea

as was sending Bairstow to SA, leaving us with an at best part time keeper once Buttler is injured.

Root's captaincy has to be questioned, once more. Test debutant comes to the crease, and he introduces.....Joe Denly- I know he was saving seamers for the new ball, but those overs gave Mitchell time to settle and gave NZ some momentum when they'd lost two wickets quickly; Archer imo is not being managed well either.

Worse news about Leach going to hospital, if that bug spreads through the side we're not going to have any seamers.

And Root doesn't impress as a captain, even before one considers he was a ver good batsman before taking on the much bigger role

Yeah, I’m firmly in the Root out camp now. But for who? Buttler?

[Digby]

as was sending Bairstow to SA, leaving us with an at best part time keeper once Buttler is injured.

Root's captaincy has to be questioned, once more. Test debutant comes to the crease, and he introduces.....Joe Denly- I know he was saving seamers for the new ball, but those overs gave Mitchell time to settle and gave NZ some momentum when they'd lost two wickets quickly; Archer imo is not being managed well either.

Worse news about Leach going to hospital, if that bug spreads through the side we're not going to have any seamers.

And Root doesn't impress as a captain, even before one considers he was a ver good batsman before taking on the much bigger role

Yeah, I’m firmly in the Root out camp now. But for who? Buttler?

Root out as captain, or out of the side? For myself I'd be more than willing to let him play as a batsman, but if he wanted some time off that'd be fine too. Apart from anything else we don't have anyone else we could turn to who has the ability to average 55+

I've no idea who else could be captain, but if they're equally as bad and Root's batting average went back up I'd be happy to trade anyway

[Stom]

Worse news about Leach going to hospital, if that bug spreads through the side we're not going to have any seamers.

And Root doesn't impress as a captain, even before one considers he was a ver good batsman before taking on the much bigger role

Yeah, I’m firmly in the Root out camp now. But for who? Buttler?

Root out as captain, or out of the side? For myself I'd be more than willing to let him play as a batsman, but if he wanted some time off that'd be fine too. Apart from anything else we don't have anyone else we could turn to who has the ability to average 55+

I've no idea who else could be captain, but if they're equally as bad and Root's batting average went back up I'd be happy to trade anyway

Out as captain.

[Galfon]

He can bat ..qed.
2 late wickets took the shine off a bit - draw most likely but both teams have a smidge of something to go at.
Eng need JR''s runs - these have diminished since becoming captain,a role in which he can do the expected steadily enough but slow to adjust things when needed and doing it oft oddly it seems.
Morgan's an astute leader, but for the Test arena and future proofing maybe Broad / Buttler short term.but Burns has domestic success as captain and will be on the list.

[Lizard]

It would be nice to play a 3 (or god forbid 5) test series for a change. We get so shortchanged here. We seriously play half the number of tests that India does.

[Banquo]

Root must have been delighted to get a double ton, then see his team mates fold like paper.

[Digby]

On the radio just they said the wickets came as the team started to press for quicker runs, and that's an understandable aim if so

[Mellsblue]

Good to see Burns continuing to impress and Pope getting a score.

[Banquo]

On the radio just they said the wickets came as the team started to press for quicker runs, and that's an understandable aim if so

...well yes. The slight problem being no runs.

[Mellsblue]

It’s also good to not have to write ffs after a days play.

[Galfon]

Looks like job done NZ. A couple more scalps before close and prospect of a full day's play on day 5 and it would have been game on.Azzitappens, wickets in hand, and overly moist conditions forecast point to a 'series' loss for Eng's travails.

[Banquo]

It’s also good to not have to write ffs after a days play.

I think the last couple of hours of today's play warrant a FS

[Digby]

On the radio just they said the wickets came as the team started to press for quicker runs, and that's an understandable aim if so

...well yes. The slight problem being no runs.

I can accept they felt a need to push the game forward needing a win to bring the series level, and clearly looking to push the game on isn't easy on the pitches we've had on this tour

[Banquo]

On the radio just they said the wickets came as the team started to press for quicker runs, and that's an understandable aim if so

...well yes. The slight problem being no runs.

I can accept they felt a need to push the game forward needing a win to bring the series level, and clearly looking to push the game on isn't easy on the pitches we've had on this tour

I accept the need sort of (there was plenty of time left in the game, and maybe adding 50 or 60 sensibly to the final total would have had NZ under a lot more pressure) but they fckd it up spectacularly, lasting 6 overs from Pope's dismissal. The pitches have been pretty blameless.

Looks like it will bucket down most of tomorrow, so all a bit moot.

[Digby]

...well yes. The slight problem being no runs.

I can accept they felt a need to push the game forward needing a win to bring the series level, and clearly looking to push the game on isn't easy on the pitches we've had on this tour

I accept the need sort of (there was plenty of time left in the game, and maybe adding 50 or 60 sensibly to the final total would have had NZ under a lot more pressure) but they fckd it up spectacularly, lasting 6 overs from Pope's dismissal. The pitches have been pretty blameless.

The pitches are I suspect more than a little two paced given how batsman are prospering when scoring around 2.5 runs per over. I've not watched much so it's possible the bowling has been on a truly high quality line and length and that's what's holding the run rate in check.

The problem for me isn't they tried to push the run rate in this game, it's not applying themselves to the conditions as they were in the previous game. Though it's a bit of a pity they pitches here in NZ (though it's hardly only NZ pitches) didn't offer more than the safe batting providing you're not trying to score approach, a bit more consistency of pace and actually a little more pace would be appreciated

[Banquo]

I can accept they felt a need to push the game forward needing a win to bring the series level, and clearly looking to push the game on isn't easy on the pitches we've had on this tour

I accept the need sort of (there was plenty of time left in the game, and maybe adding 50 or 60 sensibly to the final total would have had NZ under a lot more pressure) but they fckd it up spectacularly, lasting 6 overs from Pope's dismissal. The pitches have been pretty blameless.

The pitches are I suspect more than a little two paced given how batsman are prospering when scoring around 2.5 runs per over. I've not watched much so it's possible the bowling has been on a truly high quality line and length and that's what's holding the run rate in check.

The problem for me isn't they tried to push the run rate in this game, it's not applying themselves to the conditions as they were in the previous game. Though it's a bit of a pity they pitches here in NZ (though it's hardly only NZ pitches) didn't offer more than the safe batting providing you're not trying to score approach, a bit more consistency of pace and actually a little more pace would be appreciated

Its called test batting, and both sides were near 3 an over in their first innings. I really don't understand why you think losing 5 wickets in 6 overs is ok, even when chasing runs- even IF two paced, you can accumulate runs sensibly without hitting boundaries.

[Digby]

I accept the need sort of (there was plenty of time left in the game, and maybe adding 50 or 60 sensibly to the final total would have had NZ under a lot more pressure) but they fckd it up spectacularly, lasting 6 overs from Pope's dismissal. The pitches have been pretty blameless.

The pitches are I suspect more than a little two paced given how batsman are prospering when scoring around 2.5 runs per over. I've not watched much so it's possible the bowling has been on a truly high quality line and length and that's what's holding the run rate in check.

The problem for me isn't they tried to push the run rate in this game, it's not applying themselves to the conditions as they were in the previous game. Though it's a bit of a pity they pitches here in NZ (though it's hardly only NZ pitches) didn't offer more than the safe batting providing you're not trying to score approach, a bit more consistency of pace and actually a little more pace would be appreciated

Its called test batting, and both sides were near 3 an over in their first innings. I really don't understand why you think losing 5 wickets in 6 overs is ok, even when chasing runs- even IF two paced, you can accumulate runs sensibly without hitting boundaries.

I think it's disappointing to lose those wickets, and it's almost certainly binned any chance to force a win. There's perhaps an argument we should have looked more to alternate the strike more in looking to up tempo, again I've not seen the game, but it's got to be hard if you can't hit through the line confidently to work the ball into gaps, or hard when you're backed (absent of just bad deliveries) into a decision to play late and straight as that doesn't allow many actual scoring shots

I'd also think there's maybe a fair point to thinking we've tried to push on but lost two wickets, now we need to reset before we look to go again.

How much they looked at a problematic forecast tomorrow and thought nah, let's just try and get this done I don't know

[Banquo]

The pitches are I suspect more than a little two paced given how batsman are prospering when scoring around 2.5 runs per over. I've not watched much so it's possible the bowling has been on a truly high quality line and length and that's what's holding the run rate in check.

The problem for me isn't they tried to push the run rate in this game, it's not applying themselves to the conditions as they were in the previous game. Though it's a bit of a pity they pitches here in NZ (though it's hardly only NZ pitches) didn't offer more than the safe batting providing you're not trying to score approach, a bit more consistency of pace and actually a little more pace would be appreciated

Its called test batting, and both sides were near 3 an over in their first innings. I really don't understand why you think losing 5 wickets in 6 overs is ok, even when chasing runs- even IF two paced, you can accumulate runs sensibly without hitting boundaries.

I think it's disappointing to lose those wickets, and it's almost certainly binned any chance to force a win. There's perhaps an argument we should have looked more to alternate the strike more in looking to up tempo, again I've not seen the game, but it's got to be hard if you can't hit through the line confidently to work the ball into gaps, or hard when you're backed (absent of just bad deliveries) into a decision to play late and straight as that doesn't allow many actual scoring shots

I'd also think there's maybe a fair point to thinking we've tried to push on but lost two wickets, now we need to reset before we look to go again.

How much they looked at a problematic forecast tomorrow and thought nah, let's just try and get this done I don't know

There you go, though I still don't quite buy that upping the run rate was that hard.

[Galfon]

Mr.Hope has left the building.