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Re: Trump

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:26 pm
by Sandydragon
Mellsblue wrote:Possibly the most erudite and incisive critique of Trump to date:
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-07/hes- ... -on-trump/
Can't argue with any of that.

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:55 pm
by kk67
WaspInWales wrote:Trump also says:
I will beat ISIS within 30 days of being elected president.
From last night it seems his solution is either bombing Mosul to oblivion or sending assassination teams into Mosul.
Given that the US are sh*t at covert ops I'm assuming he'll go for the bombing solution.

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:08 pm
by Digby
kk67 wrote:
WaspInWales wrote:Trump also says:
I will beat ISIS within 30 days of being elected president.
From last night it seems his solution is either bombing Mosul to oblivion or sending assassination teams into Mosul.
Given that the US are sh*t at covert ops I'm assuming he'll go for the bombing solution.
Given it's Trump the people of Moseley should be warned

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:33 pm
by kk67
Digby wrote:
kk67 wrote:
WaspInWales wrote:Trump also says:
I will beat ISIS within 30 days of being elected president.
From last night it seems his solution is either bombing Mosul to oblivion or sending assassination teams into Mosul.
Given that the US are sh*t at covert ops I'm assuming he'll go for the bombing solution.
Given it's Trump the people of Moseley should be warned
proper LOL...yup.
If they bomb Newport Pagnelll then the fall out will be terrible.

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:03 pm
by Lizard
I would like to see Trump's plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days. I wonder what colour crayon he did it with?


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Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:06 pm
by cashead
Plan?

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:17 pm
by cashead
So the Republicans are tearing themselves apart, as they trip over their own feet in a rush to unendorse Trump, and some are now calling for Mike Pence to be made the GOP nominee. Hahahahahaha.


Also, Mark Burnett, who produced The Apprentice, is under pressure to release the "much worse" that Bill Pruitt (who worked as a producer on the earlier seasons of the US version of that show) referred to in a tweet he made when the "grab them by the pussy" tape was leaked. The much worse, according to another former member of the production team involves Trump either referring to someone as, or casually using the word "nigger."


Oh, and Rosie O'Donnell called him an "orange anus" in response to Trump namedropping her in a disparaging fashion again.

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:19 pm
by morepork
With the power of his intellect, of course:

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:34 pm
by kk67
I'd be amazed if his IQ broke 100.......mind you,... anyone who uses the Eyesenk Nazi quotient is clearly a brain dead twat.
So that's not a problem.

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:59 pm
by Lizard
cashead wrote:So the Republicans are tearing themselves apart, as they trip over their own feet in a rush to unendorse Trump, and some are now calling for Mike Pence to be made the GOP nominee. Hahahahahaha.


Also, Mark Burnett, who produced The Apprentice, is under pressure to release the "much worse" that Bill Pruitt (who worked as a producer on the earlier seasons of the US version of that show) referred to in a tweet he made when the "grab them by the pussy" tape was leaked. The much worse, according to another former member of the production team involves Trump either referring to someone as, or casually using the word "nigger."


Oh, and Rosie O'Donnell called him an "orange anus" in response to Trump namedropping her in a disparaging fashion again.
I'm calling it now. The "n-word" tape (if it exists) will be leaked about 2 days before the next debate.

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:02 pm
by rowan
It's been quite a charade!

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:23 pm
by Sandydragon
Lizard wrote:
cashead wrote:So the Republicans are tearing themselves apart, as they trip over their own feet in a rush to unendorse Trump, and some are now calling for Mike Pence to be made the GOP nominee. Hahahahahaha.


Also, Mark Burnett, who produced The Apprentice, is under pressure to release the "much worse" that Bill Pruitt (who worked as a producer on the earlier seasons of the US version of that show) referred to in a tweet he made when the "grab them by the pussy" tape was leaked. The much worse, according to another former member of the production team involves Trump either referring to someone as, or casually using the word "nigger."


Oh, and Rosie O'Donnell called him an "orange anus" in response to Trump namedropping her in a disparaging fashion again.
You could name your price if you happened to have that in your possession.
I'm calling it now. The "n-word" tape (if it exists) will be leaked about 2 days before the next debate.

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:39 pm
by cashead
Lizard wrote:
cashead wrote:So the Republicans are tearing themselves apart, as they trip over their own feet in a rush to unendorse Trump, and some are now calling for Mike Pence to be made the GOP nominee. Hahahahahaha.


Also, Mark Burnett, who produced The Apprentice, is under pressure to release the "much worse" that Bill Pruitt (who worked as a producer on the earlier seasons of the US version of that show) referred to in a tweet he made when the "grab them by the pussy" tape was leaked. The much worse, according to another former member of the production team involves Trump either referring to someone as, or casually using the word "nigger."


Oh, and Rosie O'Donnell called him an "orange anus" in response to Trump namedropping her in a disparaging fashion again.
I'm calling it now. The "n-word" tape (if it exists) will be leaked about 2 days before the next debate.
Burnett's crew have had to sign NDAs that make them liable for around $5million should they break it. Plus, NBC has been accused of being a bit too cosy with Trump. Mark Cuban's name has been floated as someone rich enough who dislikes Trump enough to foot the bill for whomever passes the tapes on, so watch this space, I guess.

Re: Trump

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:07 am
by Lizard
I know about the $5M penalty clauses. I'm not expert enough on US law to know how enforceable that is. Enforcing that would at least require identifying the source of the leak, which might not be straight forward. The PR angle would be difficult to deal with as well, if the footage is as damning as rumoured.

There's also this, https://www.gofundme.com/sunlightfund, which would seem to put the organisers at risk of an inducement to breach contract suit.


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Re: Trump

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:58 am
by kk67
It's all wank, Rowan is right,....it's just a cheap patsy.

Re: Trump

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:30 pm
by Digby
Both barrels have been emptied by the Donald now, and that's going to be some limp

Re: Trump

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:02 pm
by rowan
kk67 wrote:It's all wank, Rowan is right,....it's just a cheap patsy.
I knew it was a set-up as soon as it became apparent who the candidates were going to be. This election, if nothing else, is really showing up how the media is manipulated in the US, and how stupid the public really can be. What is clear is that the public would far rather engage in juvenile egg-throwing at a made-up candidate due to his sexist (I'm not fashionable enough to use Greek words like "misogynist" in place of plain old English ones) views and behavior. Meanwhile the most sexist nation on earth is massacring civilians (including many women and girls) in Yemen with weapons America and Britain sold to them; the Democratic nominee having served as an 'agent' for the former. But do we hear anything about this from the public? Is it just that they don't know, lack the brains to figure it out, or really just don't care?

The new evidence provided by Wikileaks’s Podesta files makes a convincing case that the Clinton team wanted extreme Republicans as the best possible opponents. They wanted not rational discourse but exactly the kind of mean-spirited bigotry that Trump has delivered so well.

The Wikileaks documents are a window into the soul of power. We can see how the Clinton machine played the strategy of triangulation on the level of action and tactic.


http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/11/elevating-trump/

This also sums it up well: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/11/ ... oap-opera/

Re: Trump

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:21 pm
by Lizard
"Sexist" is Latin, not English...


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Re: Trump

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:37 pm
by rowan
Lizard wrote:"Sexist" is Latin, not English...


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No, it's actually American-English, coined by a Pauline M Lee in Pennsylvania in 1965. Sex is Latin - the word, not the concept - but the Romans never accused each other of being sexists or sexistas every time they wanted to win an argument...

Re: Trump

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:23 am
by Lizard
rowan wrote:
Lizard wrote:"Sexist" is Latin, not English...


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No, it's actually American-English, coined by a Pauline M Lee in Pennsylvania in 1965. Sex is Latin - the word, not the concept - but the Romans never accused each other of being sexists or sexistas every time they wanted to win an argument...
Did ancient Greeks accuse each other of "misogyny" then?

Re: Trump

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:30 am
by Coco
Lizard wrote:
rowan wrote:
Lizard wrote:"Sexist" is Latin, not English...


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No, it's actually American-English, coined by a Pauline M Lee in Pennsylvania in 1965. Sex is Latin - the word, not the concept - but the Romans never accused each other of being sexists or sexistas every time they wanted to win an argument...
Did ancient Greeks accuse each other of "misogyny" then?
Only when they wanted to win an argument.

Re: Trump

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:54 am
by Lizard
Coco wrote:
Lizard wrote:
rowan wrote:
No, it's actually American-English, coined by a Pauline M Lee in Pennsylvania in 1965. Sex is Latin - the word, not the concept - but the Romans never accused each other of being sexists or sexistas every time they wanted to win an argument...
Did ancient Greeks accuse each other of "misogyny" then?
Only when they wanted to win an argument.
I actually read a very interesting book recently about how Greeks argued. To be fair, none of the classical figures of rhetoric discussed involved accusations of sexism/misogyny.

Re: Trump

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:17 am
by Coco
Lizard wrote:
Coco wrote:
Lizard wrote: Did ancient Greeks accuse each other of "misogyny" then?
Only when they wanted to win an argument.
I actually read a very interesting book recently about how Greeks argued. To be fair, none of the classical figures of rhetoric discussed involved accusations of sexism/misogyny.
Lizard, how in the world do you have time to dominate the SHMB when you are busy being such a well read, well travelled man?

Re: Trump

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:55 am
by Lizard
Coco wrote:
Lizard wrote:
Coco wrote:
Only when they wanted to win an argument.
I actually read a very interesting book recently about how Greeks argued. To be fair, none of the classical figures of rhetoric discussed involved accusations of sexism/misogyny.
Lizard, how in the world do you have time to dominate the SHMB when you are busy being such a well read, well travelled man?
Good breeding, topped off with many years of practice, my dear Coco.

Re: Trump

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:09 am
by rowan
Coco wrote:
Lizard wrote:
rowan wrote:
No, it's actually American-English, coined by a Pauline M Lee in Pennsylvania in 1965. Sex is Latin - the word, not the concept - but the Romans never accused each other of being sexists or sexistas every time they wanted to win an argument...
Did ancient Greeks accuse each other of "misogyny" then?
Only when they wanted to win an argument.
They may well have. It's a Greek word (although the modern version currently in vogue in English may well be a variation).

Sexist is not a Latin word. It was invented by an American in the 1960s making it American-English, as explained. So there was no chance the Romans used it.