Autumn International Squad

[Mikey Brown]

I'm still confused about Collier, to be honest.

[twitchy]

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[Banquo]

I wouldn't Wurry with Willis and Curry

[FKAS]

OTOH, he’s still picking Porter ahead of significantly better options and I don’t think it’s unfair to see that he didn’t look ready/up to it.

Porter was outstanding last season. What's more worrying is that he's picking Porter ahead of significantly fitter options. Porter has managed less than two games this season.

[Mellsblue]

OTOH, he’s still picking Porter ahead of significantly better options and I don’t think it’s unfair to see that he didn’t look ready/up to it.

Porter was outstanding last season,

apart from the matches he played for England.

[Scrumhead]

OTOH, he’s still picking Porter ahead of significantly better options and I don’t think it’s unfair to see that he didn’t look ready/up to it.

Porter was outstanding last season. What's more worrying is that he's picking Porter ahead of significantly fitter options. Porter has managed less than two games this season.

You’re missing the context of the original post by just quoting that sentence. My point was that most of the players Eddie has picked in match day squads have shown themselves to be ready for it, Porter was simply the most recent example of one who didn’t.

I don’t dispute that he was good for Tigers, but he looked out of his depth at test level which is why I was referring to him as ‘not ready’. He might well get there, but it’s baffling that he was picked for this series ahead of players who have looked far more comfortable playing for England. Even weirder considering the fitness piece.

[FKAS]

OTOH, he’s still picking Porter ahead of significantly better options and I don’t think it’s unfair to see that he didn’t look ready/up to it.

Porter was outstanding last season. What's more worrying is that he's picking Porter ahead of significantly fitter options. Porter has managed less than two games this season.

You’re missing the context of the original post by just quoting that sentence. My point was that most of the players Eddie has picked in match day squads have shown themselves to be ready for it, Porter was simply the most recent example of one who didn’t.

I don’t dispute that he was good for Tigers, but he looked out of his depth at test level which is why I was referring to him as ‘not ready’. He might well get there, but it’s baffling that he was picked for this series ahead of players who have looked far more comfortable playing for England. Even weirder considering the fitness piece.

No I pointed out he deservedly got a shot in the summer where he got the ball three times in two games because the young flyhalf was having his fifth and sixth shonky games in a row for England. He did well when actually passed the ball mind. Left to cover Farrell's lack of pace in a new defensive structure where he was targeted by a talented Aussie backline.

He's barely played this season which was my point so you can't compare his form with his contemporaries and why he shouldn't be there. Especially whilst Marchant and Lawrence are looking decent.

[Mellsblue]

Lols.

[Banquo]

Lols.

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[Scrumhead]

Porter was outstanding last season. What's more worrying is that he's picking Porter ahead of significantly fitter options. Porter has managed less than two games this season.

You’re missing the context of the original post by just quoting that sentence. My point was that most of the players Eddie has picked in match day squads have shown themselves to be ready for it, Porter was simply the most recent example of one who didn’t.

I don’t dispute that he was good for Tigers, but he looked out of his depth at test level which is why I was referring to him as ‘not ready’. He might well get there, but it’s baffling that he was picked for this series ahead of players who have looked far more comfortable playing for England. Even weirder considering the fitness piece.

No I pointed out he deservedly got a shot in the summer where he got the ball three times in two games because the young flyhalf was having his fifth and sixth shonky games in a row for England. He did well when actually passed the ball mind. Left to cover Farrell's lack of pace in a new defensive structure where he was targeted by a talented Aussie backline.

He's barely played this season which was my point so you can't compare his form with his contemporaries and why he shouldn't be there. Especially whilst Marchant and Lawrence are looking decent.

OK. So his sub standard performances in Australia were Smith and Farrell’s fault … right …

I think Smith has been pretty average in the past few games for England too, but your memory of Porter’s showings seems to be very kind.

[ilovelamp]

In terms of second row options for the not too distant future Cam Jordan is developing very nicely at Glaws at the moment. Had a stormer against Exeter at the weekend and has a huge engine. One to keep an eye on as he’ll be getting more game time over the next few months.

[FKAS]

You’re missing the context of the original post by just quoting that sentence. My point was that most of the players Eddie has picked in match day squads have shown themselves to be ready for it, Porter was simply the most recent example of one who didn’t.

I don’t dispute that he was good for Tigers, but he looked out of his depth at test level which is why I was referring to him as ‘not ready’. He might well get there, but it’s baffling that he was picked for this series ahead of players who have looked far more comfortable playing for England. Even weirder considering the fitness piece.

No I pointed out he deservedly got a shot in the summer where he got the ball three times in two games because the young flyhalf was having his fifth and sixth shonky games in a row for England. He did well when actually passed the ball mind. Left to cover Farrell's lack of pace in a new defensive structure where he was targeted by a talented Aussie backline.

He's barely played this season which was my point so you can't compare his form with his contemporaries and why he shouldn't be there. Especially whilst Marchant and Lawrence are looking decent.

OK. So his sub standard performances in Australia were Smith and Farrell’s fault … right …

I think Smith has been pretty average in the past few games for England too, but your memory of Porter’s showings seems to be very kind.

No he had a rough start in unfortunate conditions. Be harsh to toss him aside if he maintained his club form at the start of the season. You'd want to see if he had learned from the experience and developed. As he's been injured though there's no much point including him because he isn't going to be match sharp.

[Banquo]

In terms of second row options for the not too distant future Cam Jordan is developing very nicely at Glaws at the moment. Had a stormer against Exeter at the weekend and has a huge engine. One to keep an eye on as he’ll be getting more game time over the next few months.

agreed, despite the poor quality of commentary usual, they were right over enthusing about him.

[FKAS]

In terms of second row options for the not too distant future Cam Jordan is developing very nicely at Glaws at the moment. Had a stormer against Exeter at the weekend and has a huge engine. One to keep an eye on as he’ll be getting more game time over the next few months.

agreed, despite the poor quality of commentary usual, they were right over enthusing about him.

Second row options post world cup could be very good indeed Richards the guy at Bath looks mobile and physical, Chessum Jnr is coming along nicely at whatever ridiculous height he is, he's an obvious go to in the lineout and improving around the park. Tizard, Chessum Snr are both early twenties and it's not to late to steal Cam Henderson from Scotland if he shows his best form following that nasty knee injury he had a year ago.

Martin, Hill and Coles all in the third jumper 6 role.

[Banquo]

In terms of second row options for the not too distant future Cam Jordan is developing very nicely at Glaws at the moment. Had a stormer against Exeter at the weekend and has a huge engine. One to keep an eye on as he’ll be getting more game time over the next few months.

agreed, despite the poor quality of commentary usual, they were right over enthusing about him.

Second row options post world cup could be very good indeed Richards the guy at Bath looks mobile and physical, Chessum Jnr is coming along nicely at whatever ridiculous height he is, he's an obvious go to in the lineout and improving around the park. Tizard, Chessum Snr are both early twenties and it's not to late to steal Cam Henderson from Scotland if he shows his best form following that nasty knee injury he had a year ago.

Martin, Hill and Coles all in the third jumper 6 role.

Shame Chessum senior is hurt would have liked to see him in the AI s

[Scrumhead]

In terms of second row options for the not too distant future Cam Jordan is developing very nicely at Glaws at the moment. Had a stormer against Exeter at the weekend and has a huge engine. One to keep an eye on as he’ll be getting more game time over the next few months.

agreed, despite the poor quality of commentary usual, they were right over enthusing about him.

Second row options post world cup could be very good indeed Richards the guy at Bath looks mobile and physical, Chessum Jnr is coming along nicely at whatever ridiculous height he is, he's an obvious go to in the lineout and improving around the park. Tizard, Chessum Snr are both early twenties and it's not to late to steal Cam Henderson from Scotland if he shows his best form following that nasty knee injury he had a year ago.

Martin, Hill and Coles all in the third jumper 6 role.

Yep. I’d agree with that.

Also easy to forget that Isiekwe is still only 24.

Hammond at Quins could be another one to watch. I’ve definitely said this before, but when he and Tizard were in the academy, I rated both but thought he was the better prospect of the two. As it played out, Tizard filled out a bit more quickly and got a quicker introduction in to the senior set up, but Hammond has bulked up and is quietly making himself at home in the first team squad. He’s got a good bit of work to do to catch up, but I think he could be very good in a year or two.

[fivepointer]

See also Chunya Munga who is 22. Got the size, maybe just needs to get a little more physical.

[Scrumhead]

Munga is an interesting one. As you say, he has the size, but I’ve seen him play several times without ever really noticing he’s playing. Admittedly I wasn’t focusing on what he was doing and it’s very possible, he was just getting through a lot of unflashy grunt work. However, there’s never been anything there to draw my attention.

[Margin_Walker]

Honestly. Despite being called up to train by EJ in the past, Munga doesn't look an international lock in waiting to me.

Some uncapped players at LI like OHC and Pearson, I'd have no doubt about being able to make the step up, but he's not in that bracket. He's young, so it may come later, but he's a way off at the moment.

[Mellsblue]

[Puja]

Genge
MakoV

LCD
Singleton

Heyes
Sinckler

Itoje
Hill
Ribbans
Coles
Robinson

Curry
Willis
BillyV
Simmonds


Youngs
JVP

Smith

Farrell
Tuilagi
Slade

Cokanasiga
May
Nowell

Steward

[Puja]

Assuming a 5/3 bench split (not always a safe assumption), we need to lose two of Ribbans, Coles, Robinson, Simmonds to make the XXIII. Or we go 6:2 and we have to lose one of Slade/Cokanasiga/Nowell from the backs.

Fascinating to see that Singleton (who isn't guaranteed of a place in the Gloucester first XV) is ahead of McGuigan after originally not being selected, based on two weeks in camp. Suggests there's something about McGuigan that Eddie just doesn't fancy. Also interesting to see MakoV beating out Rodd for the 16 shirt.

Lazarus level of resurrection from May to be fit to start.

Puja

[Banquo]

Assuming a 5/3 bench split (not always a safe assumption), we need to lose two of Ribbans, Coles, Robinson, Simmonds to make the XXIII. Or we go 6:2 and we have to lose one of Slade/Cokanasiga/Nowell from the backs.

Fascinating to see that Singleton (who isn't guaranteed of a place in the Gloucester first XV) is ahead of McGuigan after originally not being selected and two weeks in camp. Suggests there's something about McGuigan that Eddie just doesn't fancy. Also interesting to see MakoV beating out Rodd for the 16 shirt.

Lazarus level of resurrection from May to be fit to start.

Puja

Mako is such a good player in the loose still. Final 15/23 could be great, or meh its that marginal.

[Mikey Brown]

All seems about right I guess. Makes sense there will be a lock/6 option somewhere even if Willis starts. How much game time has Sam Simmonds had? I still feel like I've ever seen Singleton play but that can't be correct.

Pinched from under the original tweet

Winger stats since start of the 21/22 Season:
Cokanasiga, 9 tries, 17 games
Nowell, 5 tries, 28 games
May, 7 tries, 17 games
Murley, 22 tries, 35 games

The wing selection is absolutely not what's making or breaking this team, I'm just so curious what it is about certain youngsters that grabs Eddie or doesn't. I suppose we need to see if May is still what he was at international level, and if Cokansiga can really become what we all hoped he would, but it's a shame not to see Murley rewarded for being consistently excellent.

Predictions on Faz/Tuilagi/Slade vs Smith/Faz/Manu?

[Mellsblue]

Genge
MakoV

LCD
Singleton

Heyes
Sinckler

Itoje
Hill
Ribbans
Coles
Robinson

Curry
Willis
BillyV
Simmonds


Youngs
JVP

Smith

Farrell
Tuilagi
Slade

Cokanasiga
May
Nowell

Steward

Enjoying your optimism that we’ll see Cullis this Sunday.