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Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:00 pm**

Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:36 pm
Sounds like a truly fabulous shitshow of boredom and error.

From an England point of view possibly.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:00 pm**

I’d agree on Marchant, Steward and Willis off the bench, from a barely watching POV.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:01 pm**

Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:51 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:36 pm Looks like I picked the right day to be at the airport and miss the game

Sounds like a truly fabulous shitshow of boredom and error.
Looks like I picked the wrong day to give up glue sniffing

I suppose the question is when will the England coaching team give up?

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:03 pm**

pompey-zebra wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:17 pm
fivepointer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:49 pm D

I mean fair enough its a warm up game with a scratch side,
Whereas Wales put their first xv out.

Kinda. They did have 3 guys getting their first caps. Bench was pretty experienced though.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:08 pm**

Buggaluggs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:03 pm
pompey-zebra wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:17 pm
fivepointer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:49 pm D

I mean fair enough its a warm up game with a scratch side,
Whereas Wales put their first xv out.
Kinda. They did have 3 guys getting their first caps. Bench was pretty experienced though.

Clearly that made the difference in dominating the second half.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:15 pm**

Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:51 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:36 pm Looks like I picked the right day to be at the airport and miss the game

Sounds like a truly fabulous shitshow of boredom and error.
Looks like I picked the wrong day to give up glue sniffing

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Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:41 pm**

That was hard to watch.

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:56 am**

morepork wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:41 pm That was hard to watch.

My expectations weren't too high (they were not met) so it was just really annoying to see everyone* fail, and fail hard

*Ludlam and Marchant get a pass. Maybe Smith because when he got a platform he did something with it.

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 3:38 am**

Danno wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:56 am
morepork wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:41 pm That was hard to watch.
My expectations weren't too high (they were not met) so it was just really annoying to see everyone* fail, and fail hard

*Ludlam and Marchant get a pass. Maybe Smith because when he got a platform he did something with it.

Yes. An enthusiastic but fairly mediocre Wales beat a dismal England selection containing several players who just played themselves out of the RWC. A turgid game with low skill levels all round, and quite a boring spectacle.

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:10 am**

Yeah which ever way you look at it, that was bad.

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:10 am**

The only positives I can take from that were no red cards and no injuries.

Depressing.

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:47 am**

Maybe SB will realise one big error and send an SOS for Quirke or Mitchell. Better still, both.

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:58 am**

Oakboy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:47 am Maybe SB will realise one big error and send an SOS for Quirke or Mitchell. Better still, both.

Wishful thinking. He is wedded to his Tigers favourites and we're going to be stuck with Youngs and JvP

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:40 am**

No sure what Sloop John Borthwick or anyone got out of that muddle.

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:44 am**

Danno wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:56 am
morepork wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:41 pm That was hard to watch.
My expectations weren't too high (they were not met) so it was just really annoying to see everyone* fail, and fail hard

*Ludlam and Marchant get a pass. Maybe Smith because when he got a platform he did something with it.

Steward and Stuart get a pass too for my money - the former showed some good running skills and tackling to offset the cloghands he showed for his knock on, and the latter did well in the tight.

Puja

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:44 am**

Oakboy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:47 am Maybe SB will realise one big error and send an SOS for Quirke or Mitchell. Better still, both.

Given how we're playing I'm still amazed Gus Warr didn't at least make the training camp. The form 9 in the Prem last season, he's probably got his limitations but at only 23 he could still kick on again.

Quirke played second fiddle to Warr and probably needs a pre season given his injury issues.

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:45 am**

Puja wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:44 am
Danno wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:56 am
morepork wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:41 pm That was hard to watch.
My expectations weren't too high (they were not met) so it was just really annoying to see everyone* fail, and fail hard

*Ludlam and Marchant get a pass. Maybe Smith because when he got a platform he did something with it.
Steward and Stuart get a pass too for my money - the former showed some good running skills and tackling to offset the cloghands he showed for his knock on, and the latter did well in the tight.

Puja

Given how ineffective Sinckler was off the bench I'd be tempted to say that Stuart is probably the first choice tighthead now.

Steward brought some footwork, was good to see him go past the first chaser or two rather than just hoof the ball back.

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:46 am**

ludlam looked like he was carrying too much timber bluntly.

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:06 am**

That might be the worst I've seen England play, not sure how much is down to awful coaching and how much to poor play on the pitch. I can (almost) forgive the handling errors in the first half because at least they were trying to move the ball. The second half was abject though with absolutely no ambition and the set piece fell apart - begs the question of what exactly have they been doing for the last 3 months. Pathetic display from players who are meant to be playing for their world cup place (Marchant, Stewart and Ludlum aside)

Will need to be outstanding next week to bring the fans back onside I think

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:29 am**

Already feels like it was just a bad dream.

Hopefully next Saturday will see a team closer to first choice, with some familiarity, and actual basic skills on display. Don't want to get too carried away and ask for a cogent game plan that goes beyond hoof it in the air for the big lads to chase

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:40 am**

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:46 am ludlam looked like he was carrying too much timber bluntly.

Yeah he had a little jaunt down the wing at one point and I thought it was a front rower until I saw the hair. He still seems to have a lot of energy but it’s hard to say how efficiently he uses it.

I’m struggling with what SB gets out of this game overall. Poor performance but it never looked like a team set up to succeed. A muddled assortment of fringe players, some of whom will have played themselves out of contention already, fighting to be the least bad option is not an inspiring way to whittle the squad down.

It’s really piled the pressure on when we put out something closer to a first team, but maybe that’s what they need?

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:49 am**

16th man wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:29 am Already feels like it was just a bad dream.

Hopefully next Saturday will see a team closer to first choice, with some familiarity, and actual basic skills on display. Don't want to get too carried away and ask for a cogent game plan that goes beyond hoof it in the air for the big lads to chase

We had a lot more attacking shape than we've seen in the last year. Two runners for the 9 to pick from and one in behind to link with the backs or act as support with our pods of 3. Smith got the ball in space with room to attack on several occasions.

It's not coherent enough yet but a step forward. Wales actually kicked the ball a lot more than we did.

Error count was just way to high. Can't turnover the ball 23 times in a test match, that's just ridiculous.

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:08 am**

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:40 am
Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:46 am ludlam looked like he was carrying too much timber bluntly.
Yeah he had a little jaunt down the wing at one point and I thought it was a front rower until I saw the hair. He still seems to have a lot of energy but it’s hard to say how efficiently he uses it.

I’m struggling with what SB gets out of this game overall. Poor performance but it never looked like a team set up to succeed. A muddled assortment of fringe players, some of whom will have played themselves out of contention already, fighting to be the least bad option is not an inspiring way to whittle the squad down.

It’s really piled the pressure on when we put out something closer to a first team, but maybe that’s what they need?

Perzackly and pretty predictable. Its a bit soul destroying when you are playing for your place and surrounded by varying degrees of incompetence and unpreparedness.

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:43 am**

Hooker is a major problem for us now. George really needs to be wrapped in cotton wool as no-one else we have seems to be up to standard. I know there has been a fair bit of excitement around Theo Dan, but he really shat the bed on his debut and Blamire wasn’t much better.

Posted: **Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:00 pm**

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:46 am ludlam looked like he was carrying too much timber bluntly.

How do you make that out?

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