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Banquo wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Banquo wrote: Standard stuff in my work and career.

I think you may be using those terms in a way that's specific to your area of work; I don't think they quite have that meaning to most people.

If I started using "trivial" outside of maths or "coupon" outside of finance, that might be confusing too...

Can I take it you've never run a programme? I'm the COO of an NHS service provider, having spent 30 + years in several big IT firms in different roles and sectors, so its hardly narrow. In any case, I started with what was my own personal view of how to describe the working parts and their 'roles', I also said it was a tad semantic, and you wanted to ramble on about it. I'm not in the slightest bit interested in what 'most people' would understand by the terms, even accepting your opinion on that- my teams certainly do, and I certainly am accountable for their actions ultimately.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: I think you may be using those terms in a way that's specific to your area of work; I don't think they quite have that meaning to most people.

If I started using "trivial" outside of maths or "coupon" outside of finance, that might be confusing too...

Can I take it you've never run a programme? I'm the COO of an NHS service provider, having spent 30 + years in several big IT firms in different roles and sectors, so its hardly narrow. In any case, I started with what was my own personal view of how to describe the working parts and their 'roles', I also said it was a tad semantic, and you wanted to ramble on about it. I'm not in the slightest bit interested in what 'most people' would understand by the terms, even accepting your opinion on that- my teams certainly do, and I certainly am accountable for their actions ultimately.

You said accountable, I said responsible, I was perfectly happy to broadly agree with you on that and leave it there but you insisted that you didn't quite agree, so I asked you to explain.

Banquo wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Banquo wrote: Can I take it you've never run a programme? I'm the COO of an NHS service provider, having spent 30 + years in several big IT firms in different roles and sectors, so its hardly narrow. In any case, I started with what was my own personal view of how to describe the working parts and their 'roles', I also said it was a tad semantic, and you wanted to ramble on about it. I'm not in the slightest bit interested in what 'most people' would understand by the terms, even accepting your opinion on that- my teams certainly do, and I certainly am accountable for their actions ultimately.

You said accountable, I said responsible, I was perfectly happy to broadly agree with you on that and leave it there but you insisted that you didn't quite agree, so I asked you to explain.

Insisted? " I prefer accountable, but that's a tad semantic ". Then it all kicked off , though i was in hindsight also complicit in perpetuating the verbiage.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:The UK went ahead of Spain in the per capita deaths today, based on the (underestimated) official deaths. So, ignoring tiny San Marino and Andorra, there's only Belgium ahead of us.

In the rolling 7-day average deaths, Sweden leads, then Brazil, then UK, then Peru ... all jostling for position.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: You said accountable, I said responsible, I was perfectly happy to broadly agree with you on that and leave it there but you insisted that you didn't quite agree, so I asked you to explain.

Insisted? " I prefer accountable, but that's a tad semantic ". Then it all kicked off , though i was in hindsight also complicit in perpetuating the verbiage.

Okay, no worries. Enough verbiage already!

Banquo wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Banquo wrote: Can I take it you've never run a programme? I'm the COO of an NHS service provider, having spent 30 + years in several big IT firms in different roles and sectors, so its hardly narrow. In any case, I started with what was my own personal view of how to describe the working parts and their 'roles', I also said it was a tad semantic, and you wanted to ramble on about it. I'm not in the slightest bit interested in what 'most people' would understand by the terms, even accepting your opinion on that- my teams certainly do, and I certainly am accountable for their actions ultimately.

You said accountable, I said responsible, I was perfectly happy to broadly agree with you on that and leave it there but you insisted that you didn't quite agree, so I asked you to explain.

Insisted? " I prefer accountable, but that's a tad semantic ". Then it all kicked off , though i was in hindsight also complicit in perpetuating the verbiage.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:The UK went ahead of Spain in the per capita deaths today, based on the (underestimated) official deaths. So, ignoring tiny San Marino and Andorra, there's only Belgium ahead of us.

In the rolling 7-day average deaths, Sweden leads, then Brazil, then UK, then Peru ... all jostling for position.

Per capita rolling 7-day average: Brazil leads, Sweden & Peru second, Mexico lurches up into fourth, UK fifth.

Sandydragon wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: You said accountable, I said responsible, I was perfectly happy to broadly agree with you on that and leave it there but you insisted that you didn't quite agree, so I asked you to explain.

Insisted? " I prefer accountable, but that's a tad semantic ". Then it all kicked off , though i was in hindsight also complicit in perpetuating the verbiage.

Glad you both agree! If you start mentioning PRINCE2 methodolgies on here though the sanctions will be harsh!

Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:The UK went ahead of Spain in the per capita deaths today, based on the (underestimated) official deaths. So, ignoring tiny San Marino and Andorra, there's only Belgium ahead of us.

In the rolling 7-day average deaths, Sweden leads, then Brazil, then UK, then Peru ... all jostling for position.

Per capita rolling 7-day average: Brazil leads, Sweden & Peru second, Mexico lurches up into fourth, UK fifth.

And in the face of that depressing news, the Brazilian president wants to immediately relax all restrictions on movement.

Sandydragon wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: You said accountable, I said responsible, I was perfectly happy to broadly agree with you on that and leave it there but you insisted that you didn't quite agree, so I asked you to explain.

Insisted? " I prefer accountable, but that's a tad semantic ". Then it all kicked off , though i was in hindsight also complicit in perpetuating the verbiage.

Glad you both agree! If you start mentioning PRINCE2 methodolgies on here though the sanctions will be harsh!

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Banquo wrote: Insisted? " I prefer accountable, but that's a tad semantic ". Then it all kicked off , though i was in hindsight also complicit in perpetuating the verbiage.

Glad you both agree! If you start mentioning PRINCE2 methodolgies on here though the sanctions will be harsh!

I might soon be giving classes on ITIL and Prince. A horrible future indeed but the money is decent

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Banquo wrote: Insisted? " I prefer accountable, but that's a tad semantic ". Then it all kicked off , though i was in hindsight also complicit in perpetuating the verbiage.

Glad you both agree! If you start mentioning PRINCE2 methodolgies on here though the sanctions will be harsh!

I might soon be giving classes on ITIL and Prince. A horrible future indeed but the money is decent

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
Glad you both agree! If you start mentioning PRINCE2 methodolgies on here though the sanctions will be harsh!

I might soon be giving classes on ITIL and Prince. A horrible future indeed but the money is decent

charlatan

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:
I might soon be giving classes on ITIL and Prince. A horrible future indeed but the money is decent

charlatan

So far as I determine it's just about telling' stories, my problem thus far is I only have story, the only one I know

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote: charlatan

So far as I determine it's just about telling' stories, my problem thus far is I only have story, the only one I know

Sounds perfect.

The ITIL courses I took a few years ago were amongst the most tedious I have ever attended, the only saving grace was the humour provided by the instructor.

Galfon wrote:R > 1 areas, & planned protests.
Interesting cross-over between Covid-19 response, anti-racism march & freedom to protest.
It would be disappointing if the distancing rules were ignored, especially in areas still with high infection rates.
Many of the protestors will be returning to families later, maybe with parents and grandparents in the household;
(Lives do matter..)
At least they will be peaceful, with no violence, damage to buildings/property, or any looting whatsoever, that would just compound the situation.

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:
So far as I determine it's just about telling' stories, my problem thus far is I only have story, the only one I know

Sounds perfect.

The ITIL courses I took a few years ago were amongst the most tedious I have ever attended, the only saving grace was the humour provided by the instructor.

Were you on version 3? If so I consulted on that so my apologies, though I will say they pretty much ignored me, actually they entirely ignored me. I thought it should be a useful way to start to frame thoughts/processes, and they thought it should be a way to make money, and then lots more money. So I can understand them ignoring me

Galfon wrote:R > 1 areas, & planned protests.
Interesting cross-over between Covid-19 response, anti-racism march & freedom to protest.
It would be disappointing if the distancing rules were ignored, especially in areas still with high infection rates.
Many of the protestors will be returning to families later, maybe with parents and grandparents in the household;
(Lives do matter..)
At least they will be peaceful, with no violence, damage to buildings/property, or any looting whatsoever, that would just compound the situation.

Sandydragon wrote: I think it’s fair to say that social distancing went out of the window.

Puja wrote:Social distancing has gone everywhere. Went to the shops today - I was the only person wearing a mask and no-one was even trying to stay 2m from each other. Morr to the point, people were looking at my mask and cracking wise about it, like I was a weirdo stuck in last month.

I think coronavirus is now officially fixed in the minds of a good percentage of the British public.

Puja

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Puja wrote:Social distancing has gone everywhere. Went to the shops today - I was the only person wearing a mask and no-one was even trying to stay 2m from each other. Morr to the point, people were looking at my mask and cracking wise about it, like I was a weirdo stuck in last month.

I think coronavirus is now officially fixed in the minds of a good percentage of the British public.

Puja

The government has been quite effective in achieving this perception. I assume that's what they've been aiming at.

Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Puja wrote:Social distancing has gone everywhere. Went to the shops today - I was the only person wearing a mask and no-one was even trying to stay 2m from each other. Morr to the point, people were looking at my mask and cracking wise about it, like I was a weirdo stuck in last month.

I think coronavirus is now officially fixed in the minds of a good percentage of the British public.

Puja

The government has been quite effective in achieving this perception. I assume that's what they've been aiming at.

That’s harsh. They want people to use common sense. Sadly, that’s not all that common. It is a difficult message to get across.